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vulture1 said:
av185 said:
It is no coincidence that we get the most money of all 2 to 3 year old fleet and lease car stock for ex Motability full main dealer serviced cars with full service history and detailed service and maintenance print including brake fluid change and right down to the last set of new wipers etc.
Wonder why?
But according to some, Billy grease monkey under the arches 1 possible oil change without filter serviced shed from a a highly dubious source is worth as much ££.
Funny I get the opposite impression. 18 19 20 year old billy lovable rogue working for main dealer with no vested interest in the overall reputation of the dealer is a bigger risk than 30 year old Billy who has set up on his own with his own business.Wonder why?
But according to some, Billy grease monkey under the arches 1 possible oil change without filter serviced shed from a a highly dubious source is worth as much ££.
Furthermore the main dealer will always use the approved oil and parts etc meaning a claim under warranty is automatically granted if the car is under manufacturers warranty whereas using an indie automatically and obviously gives them way more wiggle room to avoid paying out. Indies often use the wrong oil and filters so what could possibly go wrong there I wonder.
Most main dealers will match and indeed undercut indies prices anyway so again a no brainer.
av185 said:
Because many of your 'lovable' independents employ 18 19 20 year olds for jobs like routine servicing anyway your point really holds little water.
Furthermore the main dealer will always use the approved oil and parts etc meaning a claim under warranty is automatically granted if the car is under manufacturers warranty whereas using an indie automatically and obviously gives them way more wiggle room to avoid paying out. Indies often use the wrong oil and filters so what could possibly go wrong there I wonder.
Most main dealers will match and indeed undercut indies prices anyway so again a no brainer.
NO WAY will MOST main dealers match or undercut indies...Furthermore the main dealer will always use the approved oil and parts etc meaning a claim under warranty is automatically granted if the car is under manufacturers warranty whereas using an indie automatically and obviously gives them way more wiggle room to avoid paying out. Indies often use the wrong oil and filters so what could possibly go wrong there I wonder.
Most main dealers will match and indeed undercut indies prices anyway so again a no brainer.
Under EU regulations as long as genuine parts are used it does not invalidate the manufacturers warranty. My indie BMW specialist changes half the main dealer labour costs,both Ex BMW trained technicians who I would trust fair more than any main dealer and thier apprentices.Bemmer said:
NO WAY will MOST main dealers match or undercut indies... Under EU regulations as long as genuine parts are used it does not invalidate the manufacturers warranty. My indie BMW specialist changes half the main dealer labour costs,both Ex BMW trained technicians who I would trust fair more than any main dealer and thier apprentices.
But he employs ex BMW trained technicians. Under EU regulations as long as genuine parts are used it does not invalidate the manufacturers warranty. My indie BMW specialist changes half the main dealer labour costs,both Ex BMW trained technicians who I would trust fair more than any main dealer and thier apprentices.They were trained by the main dealer....
Hugo Stiglitz said:
Bemmer said:
NO WAY will MOST main dealers match or undercut indies... Under EU regulations as long as genuine parts are used it does not invalidate the manufacturers warranty. My indie BMW specialist changes half the main dealer labour costs,both Ex BMW trained technicians who I would trust fair more than any main dealer and thier apprentices.
But he employs ex BMW trained technicians. Under EU regulations as long as genuine parts are used it does not invalidate the manufacturers warranty. My indie BMW specialist changes half the main dealer labour costs,both Ex BMW trained technicians who I would trust fair more than any main dealer and thier apprentices.They were trained by the main dealer....
In my experience of of 16 years in my field most of the mains are s
t. Most of the indies are st. Literally almost all spannering places are crap and good places are like a diamond in a swimming pool. A scary amount of indies have had the sack from every job they have had which is why they are indies!
t. Most of the indies are st. Literally almost all spannering places are crap and good places are like a diamond in a swimming pool. A scary amount of indies have had the sack from every job they have had which is why they are indies! Bemmer said:
av185 said:
Because many of your 'lovable' independents employ 18 19 20 year olds for jobs like routine servicing anyway your point really holds little water.
Furthermore the main dealer will always use the approved oil and parts etc meaning a claim under warranty is automatically granted if the car is under manufacturers warranty whereas using an indie automatically and obviously gives them way more wiggle room to avoid paying out. Indies often use the wrong oil and filters so what could possibly go wrong there I wonder.
Most main dealers will match and indeed undercut indies prices anyway so again a no brainer.
NO WAY will MOST main dealers match or undercut indies...Furthermore the main dealer will always use the approved oil and parts etc meaning a claim under warranty is automatically granted if the car is under manufacturers warranty whereas using an indie automatically and obviously gives them way more wiggle room to avoid paying out. Indies often use the wrong oil and filters so what could possibly go wrong there I wonder.
Most main dealers will match and indeed undercut indies prices anyway so again a no brainer.
Under EU regulations as long as genuine parts are used it does not invalidate the manufacturers warranty. My indie BMW specialist changes half the main dealer labour costs,both Ex BMW trained technicians who I would trust fair more than any main dealer and thier apprentices.No such issues with a main dealer of course.
I repeat that is why FMDSH cars sell for the most money whether vanilla mid range and particularly high end where the difference in value ££ between sub 3 year old cars is vast. The customer votes with their wallet every time paying the most money for tge best cars with proper history and to suggest otherwise is frankly ludicrous.
I agree that whilst an indie may well use approved parts, if you ever have to go to a warranty co. - they can use the lack of main dealer servicing as wiggle room. They may ask for proof of approved parts being used and whilst it can all work out ok, it's an extra ball ache and gives them a chance of an out.
Bemmer said:
NO WAY will MOST main dealers match or undercut indies... Under EU regulations as long as genuine parts are used it does not invalidate the manufacturers warranty. My indie BMW specialist changes half the main dealer labour costs,both Ex BMW trained technicians who I would trust fair more than any main dealer and thier apprentices.
If you take your car outside of the franchise dealer network you might get your servicing done cheaper however you will lose the manufacturers goodwill contribution for repairs to customers cars that are loyal to be brand. That is your auto box might fail, and your Indy might be able to replace for half the price using reman parts and the like, but a MDSH car might attract a healthily parts contribution of up to 100%. This negating any indie advantage. Under EU regulations as long as genuine parts are used it does not invalidate the manufacturers warranty. My indie BMW specialist changes half the main dealer labour costs,both Ex BMW trained technicians who I would trust fair more than any main dealer and thier apprentices.Nissan do this with DPF failures. It’s a 2k repair normally but can be done for less than £500 in a main Nissan dealer if car has full service history.
Back on topic I have a car for sales and am thinking of offloading it to a dealer. What are the chances of them offering more than WBAC?.
CoolHands said:
Rockets7 said:
Dynion Araf Uchaf said:
and your evidence for this is where?
I’ve read it on the internet ..The example you have given is actually irrelevant to full main dealer service history. It may be a recall related issue, a product issue, but in any case rusty subframes sounds like cars more than 10 or 12 years old. I can’t think of any product that would be warrantied for that long, except maybe a new build house. Sometimes manufacturers need significant volumes of cases before action can occur. Eventually they will set up a recall. Nissan did this with the Navara. Repairing some cars that were absolute trash and 15 years old!
The fact of the matter is (as someone who has worked in automotive for 20 years) is that if you maintain your vehicle within the franchised dealer network from new to about 8 years the manufacturer has goodwill programmes that will help you out if you require them. Normally in the form of significant parts price support, sometimes backed up by a reduction in labour rate from the dealer. I’ll admit however that you need to stand your ground a bit but you can get support.
However the other poster was spot on, there are good indies and s
t ones, the same as with a dealer.But what most customers buy into is the people element in that at an Indy you are much closer to the person working on your car and much closer to the truth about the work done. At a main dealer you are often dealing with an advisor who may not be technical and is under pressure to sell you something. However that doesn’t mean that the work undertaken is of a poor quality, and definitely not when compared to some of the dark arches type indies.
It makes no sense to service or repair a new/newish car outside of the dealer network unless you like to gamble.
Hope this helps.
JCKST1 said:
I have a nice A6 Avant ultra estate I have been toying with selling as I live abroad (Spain) and the car is with me here but due to it being RHD its not ideal, I figured it would be worth about £11-11.5k but after putting in the reg on a popular sell your car site I was offered just shy of £13k!
Considering selling that now before the bubble bursts!
Got a lhd red megane in Spain if you want a cheaper car post selling this ! Considering selling that now before the bubble bursts!
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