Car charging facility for clients
Discussion
MustangGT said:
Yes, to sign off the paperwork for an EV charging station you need to be EV qualified. The cabling is not your standard domestic wiring either.
Since when?OZEV approval is if you want to apply for any government funding to support.
https://www.gov.uk/guidance/commercial-chargepoint...
Evanivitch said:
Register1 said:
They can, but not many people own that cable so you'll be paying a bit more again for the cable (£200+).
Why would you not just put a 3 pin socket near the door or on the outside of the building.
You only need to make sure the customer can get enough charge to get to the nearest proper charging station.
You wouldnt go get 50 litres of petrol to top up someones petrol tank. You may give them a 5 litre jerry can though.
You only need to make sure the customer can get enough charge to get to the nearest proper charging station.
You wouldnt go get 50 litres of petrol to top up someones petrol tank. You may give them a 5 litre jerry can though.
sherman said:
Why would you not just put a 3 pin socket near the door or on the outside of the building.
You only need to make sure the customer can get enough charge to get to the nearest proper charging station.
You wouldnt go get 50 litres of petrol to top up someones petrol tank. You may give them a 5 litre jerry can though.
Stick a charger out there and put Monta on it, so your customers have the option and you make a bit each time somebody charges, simple really.You only need to make sure the customer can get enough charge to get to the nearest proper charging station.
You wouldnt go get 50 litres of petrol to top up someones petrol tank. You may give them a 5 litre jerry can though.
We're EV installers so hopefully this will help.
You are effectively a destination location, like a hotel or a leisure facility. However your clients don't stop there very long at all. They drop their cars off and go. In view of that even a fast DC charger is of little use to them (and DC chargers are a lot more expensive than AC ones).
IMO its better just to know where a fast charger is nearby and direct them to that. The client you mention simply misjudged their fuel capacity, the same can happen with petrol/diesel. People won't expect to drive to your premises and charge up.
There are specific requirements for installing an EV charger and an electrician 'should' know these if he has installed them before, but, as said earlier, he won't be able to claim your workplace charging grant of £350 without being approved. Also, if you want help with the charger software many won't be able to do this (MONTA is a software used on chargers and this is mentioned above too)
In time, if you're dealing with EVs in terms of the service you provide, being able to tell a customer the car is ready and fully charged will be important but I don't think that time is yet.
You are effectively a destination location, like a hotel or a leisure facility. However your clients don't stop there very long at all. They drop their cars off and go. In view of that even a fast DC charger is of little use to them (and DC chargers are a lot more expensive than AC ones).
IMO its better just to know where a fast charger is nearby and direct them to that. The client you mention simply misjudged their fuel capacity, the same can happen with petrol/diesel. People won't expect to drive to your premises and charge up.
There are specific requirements for installing an EV charger and an electrician 'should' know these if he has installed them before, but, as said earlier, he won't be able to claim your workplace charging grant of £350 without being approved. Also, if you want help with the charger software many won't be able to do this (MONTA is a software used on chargers and this is mentioned above too)
In time, if you're dealing with EVs in terms of the service you provide, being able to tell a customer the car is ready and fully charged will be important but I don't think that time is yet.
sherman said:
Why would you not just put a 3 pin socket near the door or on the outside of the building.
You only need to make sure the customer can get enough charge to get to the nearest proper charging station.
You wouldnt go get 50 litres of petrol to top up someones petrol tank. You may give them a 5 litre jerry can though.
Because most cars don't come with a Granny charger any more. Maybe a socket and granny charger from Screwfix?You only need to make sure the customer can get enough charge to get to the nearest proper charging station.
You wouldnt go get 50 litres of petrol to top up someones petrol tank. You may give them a 5 litre jerry can though.
Simpo Two said:
How different is the cable from https://www.amazon.co.uk/25M-Extension-Lead-Camper... ?
Massively. Not only is the Type 2 connector part fairly expensive, there's also the signals processing that is required as part of the type 2 cable interface.https://evonestop.co.uk/products/ev-charging-cable...
Evanivitch said:
sherman said:
Why would you not just put a 3 pin socket near the door or on the outside of the building.
You only need to make sure the customer can get enough charge to get to the nearest proper charging station.
You wouldnt go get 50 litres of petrol to top up someones petrol tank. You may give them a 5 litre jerry can though.
Because most cars don't come with a Granny charger any more. Maybe a socket and granny charger from Screwfix?You only need to make sure the customer can get enough charge to get to the nearest proper charging station.
You wouldnt go get 50 litres of petrol to top up someones petrol tank. You may give them a 5 litre jerry can though.
A charging cable with a bunch of adaptor heads to fit any car that can be plugged in to the already available power supply does sound like the cheapest solution
sherman said:
If your daft enough not to fill your car up before your journey you cant be choosy about what 'octane' fuel you are offered to get you to the next fuel stop so to speak.
A charging cable with a bunch of adaptor heads to fit any car that can be plugged in to the already available power supply does sound like the cheapest solution
You seem EV-illiterate.A charging cable with a bunch of adaptor heads to fit any car that can be plugged in to the already available power supply does sound like the cheapest solution
OP said their customer did fill their car before the journey. A different socket isn't a "different octane". A charger with multiple input and output sockets would be the most expensive cable solution. Hence why no one sells one. The closest is the Tesla Omni charger that's discontinued and used a proprietary Tesla output.
Evanivitch said:
sherman said:
If your daft enough not to fill your car up before your journey you cant be choosy about what 'octane' fuel you are offered to get you to the next fuel stop so to speak.
A charging cable with a bunch of adaptor heads to fit any car that can be plugged in to the already available power supply does sound like the cheapest solution
You seem EV-illiterate.A charging cable with a bunch of adaptor heads to fit any car that can be plugged in to the already available power supply does sound like the cheapest solution
OP said their customer did fill their car before the journey. A different socket isn't a "different octane". A charger with multiple input and output sockets would be the most expensive cable solution. Hence why no one sells one. The closest is the Tesla Omni charger that's discontinued and used a proprietary Tesla output.
My refrence to octane was in refrence to charging speed of the cable.
You dont need many input and outputs.
Your output would be a 13amp 3 pin socket.
Your input to the car a standard conector with whatever connector adaptor to fit tesla , ford, bmw etc.
There does seem to be different chargers for different brands. There doesnt seem to be a consensus like there has been with phone chargers yet on charger shape. USB is the phone standard now thanks to the EU.
Simpo Two said:
Oh god, this is going to be like the window thing. Some people say 'You must get a FENSA qualified window person operative to fit windows or your house will fall down' - other say 'Just screw the f
kers in'...
Im not sure a lot of FENSA installers even screw them in. They do everything with a can of squirty foam. Utterly pointless carry on.kers in'...As for the OP, do you hand out petrol money to people too?
monkfish1 said:
Im not sure a lot of FENSA installers even screw them in. They do everything with a can of squirty foam. Utterly pointless carry on.
As for the OP, do you hand out petrol money to people too?
Why not put a point in and automatically charge for its use.... then you could theoretically also charge a personal EV (foc) or an EV courtesy car....As for the OP, do you hand out petrol money to people too?
sherman said:
Not illiterate.
My refrence to octane was in refrence to charging speed of the cable.
You dont need many input and outputs.
Your output would be a 13amp 3 pin socket.
Your input to the car a standard conector with whatever connector adaptor to fit tesla , ford, bmw etc.
There does seem to be different chargers for different brands. There doesnt seem to be a consensus like there has been with phone chargers yet on charger shape. USB is the phone standard now thanks to the EU.
Just to clarify. All cars (EV and Plug-in Hybrid) use a universal AC charging connection known as a 'Type 2'. Chargers, predictably, use the same one so whichever charger or car you have, it will work with any other car or charger.My refrence to octane was in refrence to charging speed of the cable.
You dont need many input and outputs.
Your output would be a 13amp 3 pin socket.
Your input to the car a standard conector with whatever connector adaptor to fit tesla , ford, bmw etc.
There does seem to be different chargers for different brands. There doesnt seem to be a consensus like there has been with phone chargers yet on charger shape. USB is the phone standard now thanks to the EU.
Many years ago there was a VHS/Betamax type battle with, you've guessed it, a Type 1 connector but it lost out and only a few older Japanese cars use this now.
Edited by Frimley111R on Monday 27th March 09:18
sherman said:
Not illiterate.
My refrence to octane was in refrence to charging speed of the cable.
You dont need many input and outputs.
Your output would be a 13amp 3 pin socket.
Your input to the car a standard conector with whatever connector adaptor to fit tesla , ford, bmw etc.
There does seem to be different chargers for different brands. There doesnt seem to be a consensus like there has been with phone chargers yet on charger shape. USB is the phone standard now thanks to the EU.
Thank you for proving my point so succinctly.My refrence to octane was in refrence to charging speed of the cable.
You dont need many input and outputs.
Your output would be a 13amp 3 pin socket.
Your input to the car a standard conector with whatever connector adaptor to fit tesla , ford, bmw etc.
There does seem to be different chargers for different brands. There doesnt seem to be a consensus like there has been with phone chargers yet on charger shape. USB is the phone standard now thanks to the EU.
A 7kW point would be worth having just for your own or staff cars, and thinking ahead for when you have a SF90 in.
If your customer is cutting it really fine then 20 mins on charge while they drop off keys, discuss work needed, etc would give them the 9 miles needed to get to rapids at Lenham and they'd only need a short time on those to have plenty to get back to London.
As you've got 3 phase, could do a 22kW AC point easily (the Telsa wall connector can out of the box) but not many cars can take advantage of the extra.
If your customer is cutting it really fine then 20 mins on charge while they drop off keys, discuss work needed, etc would give them the 9 miles needed to get to rapids at Lenham and they'd only need a short time on those to have plenty to get back to London.
As you've got 3 phase, could do a 22kW AC point easily (the Telsa wall connector can out of the box) but not many cars can take advantage of the extra.
3 phase commando socket plus one of these :
https://www.evchargingcablestore.com/type2-ev-cabl...
We have 5 of them in work and they are great.
https://www.evchargingcablestore.com/type2-ev-cabl...
We have 5 of them in work and they are great.
Dave J said:
3 phase commando socket plus one of these :
https://www.evchargingcablestore.com/type2-ev-cabl...
We have 5 of them in work and they are great.
Good solution, that's a chunky cable to carry around in your car! (Appreciate that wouldn't be the case here).https://www.evchargingcablestore.com/type2-ev-cabl...
We have 5 of them in work and they are great.
Thank you for all the comments - I really appriciate it.
I have found this one which is a little cheaper:
https://shop.greenflag.com/products/ev-charging-ca...
Dave J said:
3 phase commando socket plus one of these :
https://www.evchargingcablestore.com/type2-ev-cabl...
We have 5 of them in work and they are great.
Thanks Dave. I actually have some of these sockets already installed in the workshop so an adapter-cable is the perfect solution for me.https://www.evchargingcablestore.com/type2-ev-cabl...
We have 5 of them in work and they are great.
I have found this one which is a little cheaper:
https://shop.greenflag.com/products/ev-charging-ca...
voicey said:
Thank you for all the comments - I really appriciate it.
I have found this one which is a little cheaper:
https://shop.greenflag.com/products/ev-charging-ca...
They are both 16A, I thought Commando sockets were rated to 32A?Dave J said:
3 phase commando socket plus one of these :
https://www.evchargingcablestore.com/type2-ev-cabl...
We have 5 of them in work and they are great.
Thanks Dave. I actually have some of these sockets already installed in the workshop so an adapter-cable is the perfect solution for me.https://www.evchargingcablestore.com/type2-ev-cabl...
We have 5 of them in work and they are great.
I have found this one which is a little cheaper:
https://shop.greenflag.com/products/ev-charging-ca...
This one is better:
https://www.evchargingcablestore.com/type2-cee-3ph...
A 16A socket is only marginally better than a 13 amp 3 pin.
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