Company Motorbike

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3,724 posts

242 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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Are company supplied motorbikes taxed in the same way as cars for staff?

AquilaEagle

439 posts

249 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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No they are much cheaper tax wise

Davel

8,982 posts

259 months

Thursday 16th February 2006
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I have one.

You can recover the VAT if new or an ex-demonstrator.

The tax is, I believe, based on the list price new and I'm not sure about emmisions etc.

No doubt Eric will be along anytime now........

denisb

509 posts

256 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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I have one as well (185MPH BMW K1200S). I hardly pay any tax on it compared to my 110MPH Mondeo I had before.

And every single bit of clothing etc goes through the books.

Davel

8,982 posts

259 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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And it is soooooooooooooooo much more fun than a tin can!

apguy

824 posts

249 months

Friday 17th February 2006
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I'm sure Eric will be along shortly to clarify but I currently have an Yam R1 as a company motorcycle and have run 2 bikes prior to that as a company motorcycle.

I have claimed 100% of the input VAT on the purchase of the bike, but I must charge VAT when I eventually sell it. All servicing, running costs and safety equipment are put through the books. Just to note: Helmets are VAT exempt.

The bit that you have to bear in mind is that a motorcycle DOES attract a Benefit In Kind liability. The Revenue ask you to apportion business versus personal use. So if the running costs for a year are a £1000 and you say it's split 50/50 business versus personal use then you will have a £500 BiK liability. My accountants advice was not to take the piss on the apportionment and go for something reasonable.

denisb

509 posts

256 months

Saturday 18th February 2006
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I do 25,000 miles a year business mileage on mine.

Personal use doesn't come into it, the last I want to use for pleasure is the bike!

SKR

2,729 posts

237 months

Thursday 16th March 2006
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Does anyone know what % of the purchase price you are allowed to write down and what the situation is with regards to contract hire.

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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The Depreciation Rate can be any rate you (or the accountant) thinks fit. The Revenue aren't concerned about Depreciation as they don't allow it as a business cost.

What is more important is the Capital Allowance (CA)claim. Unlike Motor Cars, the CA claim on a motor cycle is not restricted to an annual maximum of £3,000. Also, Motor Cycles should also be eligible for the 50% First Year Allowance. The usual annual CA claim will be 25% on the Written Down Value.

For sole traders and partnerships, any private useage of the motor cycle should be reflected in an appropraite restriction on the CA claim and the expenses put through the business.

In limited companies, the Private Use restriction is not carried out as it is for Sole Traders/Partnetships. Instead, a Benefit in Kind income tax and National Insurance charge will be processed through the PAYE system.

VAT claims on running costs should be restricted for private useage for both sole traders/partnerships AND limited companies.

The situation regarding contract hire is quite tricky as the tax and accounting treatment differs dramatically if the finance agreement is

a) a finance lease

b) an operating lease

c) a hire purchase agreement

d) a standard bank loan

What's more, the Revenue may be changing the current rules regarding leased assets, so it will probably get even more complicated.

SKR

2,729 posts

237 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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Eric MC,

Thanks for the info, very helpful. Just one more thing, with a limited co. how is the BIK worked out? Is it a % of purchase price as with car, how is the % worked out?

Thanks

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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Don't forget, BIKs don't just apply to limited companies. They apply to any business which is an "employer" i.e uses staff and runs their slaries through the PAYE system.

There are no specific rules for Motor Cycles. They are included in the "catch all" general provisions for "Company Assets Supplied to Employees", This could include virtually anything, unless it is an asset for which special BIK rules apply.

The general rule is that the BIK is calculated at 20% of the cost of the asset and then the private useage element is applied to that - the resultant figure becomes the annual BIK charge.

Motor Cycle cost - £5,000
20% = £1,000
Private useage = 50%
Annual BIK - £500

In some circumstances, Market Value can be substituted for cost.


>> Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 17th March 10:23

SKR

2,729 posts

237 months

Friday 17th March 2006
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Thanks very much Eric. I work in the leasing industry and am looking at offering contract hire on motorbikes.

I have also heard you mention that the rules regarding leasing are due to change. Any more info you have on this would be appriciated or perhaps you could point me in the right direction.