Buying a business, need a few pointers please

Buying a business, need a few pointers please

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Tyre Smoke

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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I'm buying a taxi business. It's well established and turns over between £100 and £150k a year. Three cabs.

I would like some help choosing the following:

a) Bank account

Don't necessarily need an overdraft facility, but if I did probably only £2k max. Currently bank on line with Intelligent Finance, and have a second account with HSBC. Would you go with HSBC or is there something better that won't rape me with charges? Have a good history with both. Internet not really an option because of the large amount of cash being paid in regualrly.

b) Mobile phones

Need four handsets all with bluetooth. Would prefer o2 but not that bothered. Can't have Orange as their coverage in the area is hopeless - lean out of the window facing south type of thing.

c) Advice

The business is being sold to me by a friend. He's very laid back about the need for a contract, and is happy to hand over existing mobile phone contracts,etc. Me I want to source my own phones because I think I can get a better deal and would like a contract drawn up if only to be sure what is agreed in the deal. There are no friends in business after all. I'm not concerned about him immediately starting up in competition because he is selling because of terminal cancer, the concern is that he is just going to offload it to me and then include/not include bit a pieces. So do I need a solicitor versed in business law and will it cost a lot to draw up the contract?

Thanks all

tinman0

18,231 posts

241 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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mobile phones - check Vodafone. I'm sure they are doing a free deal between handsets at the moment.

Eric Mc

122,053 posts

266 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Check the VAT treatment of the sale as well.

a2z

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227 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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Moblie Phones - Have you looked at TalkTalk. If you are mainly calling the drivers from base calls between the landline and mobile are free (and vice versa) and I think the rest of the calls are fairly cheap (you may want to check coverage though). As said above, Vodafone to a corporate plan with cheap/free calls within the company.

Smartie

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274 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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o2 do some decent online business tariffs, especially if you're happy to go sim only (ie source your own handsets)

Tyre Smoke

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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Eric Mc said:
Check the VAT treatment of the sale as well.


Care to expand a little Eric?

Eric Mc

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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Was the previous owner VAT registered?

Will you be VAT registered?

It sounds like both of you should be as the turnover is above the VAT registration threshold. If that is the case, the previous owned should be selling the business to you as a "Going Concern" and NOT charging you VAT on the sale price.

Tyre Smoke

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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Ahh, with you now.

Yes VAT registered but was only paying at the 9% rate.

Also, I need to get some decent Accountant type advice on this, as I reckon that the 17.5% rate and being able to claim it back might be the better option.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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Sounds like he was on one of the special Flat Rate Schemes. I'm not sure if it would have been appropraite in his line of business.

Do taxi businesses charge VAT on their fares?

Tyre Smoke

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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I reckon VAT must be applicable to a fare, especially if it is on the meter.

Eric Mc

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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Trying to find out what VAT applies to and what it doesn't can be quite complicated. Normal transport costs - trains, planes, buses etc are normally Zero Rated. Taxis are Standard Rated (17.5%) however.

The good news is that you can claim back the VAT on the cost of buying taxis and all the repairs and maintenance on them, fuel costs etc PROVIDED they are your taxis. If the taxis are owned by the individual drivers, then you will not have bought the taxis and cannot claim back the VAT on the purchase cost.

VAT on other business related costs (including purchase of equipment etc) is also reclaimable.

If you opt for one of the Flat Rate Schemes, you give up the right to reclaim any VAT on your costs (including large items of capital equipment) but apply VAT to your Income at a reduced rate rather than the full 17.5%.

Smartie

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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thoight you could reclaim vat on specific capital items over a certain amount? £1500 or £2000 rings a bell? (net cost)

Eric Mc

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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£2,000.

srebbe64

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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Please, please, please get a lawyer to tie up the paperwork. It could save you thousands in the long term.

jas xjr

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240 months

Thursday 30th March 2006
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afew years since i opened a business bank account but they used to offer a new business, free banking for six months or so. uyou may be surprised to learn that businesses have to pay for banking ,on the whole. and what screbbe said,get it all on paper,as you said yourself,no friends in business,have everything itemised

Tyre Smoke

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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srebbe and Jas, good advice taken on board. I will deffo get a sale contract drawn up.

srebbe64

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Thursday 30th March 2006
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Incidentally, are the facts that your handle is "tyre smoke" and that you're buying a taxi company related?

Tyre Smoke

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Friday 31st March 2006
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Fastest taxis in East Devon!

Obiwonkeyblokey

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Friday 31st March 2006
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Christ this is a real concern.

I dont want to be waiting for the Ferry to Le Mans without you Rich, only to phone and be told..


" im just around the corner!"

Tyre Smoke

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Friday 31st March 2006
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Obiwonkeyblokey said:
Christ this is a real concern.

I dont want to be waiting for the Ferry to Le Mans without you Rich, only to phone and be told..


" im just around the corner!"




Nah, sorry mate don't go saaf of Exeter this time of night.

It's not for me, it's to keep Louise amused!