Interest Rates

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griffgrog

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705 posts

247 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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So, what's the betting on the interst rate decision tomorrow then? My monies on a 0.25 drop, going down to 5% in 2009.

What do you reckon?

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

243 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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griffgrog said:
So, what's the betting on the interst rate decision tomorrow then? My monies on a 0.25 drop, going down to 5% in 2009.

What do you reckon?
Probably best to check Betfair. The odds are for a drop. Not sure that one is justified unless the MPC's remit has been changed.

ginettag27

6,297 posts

270 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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.25 drop, but it's close... I think the market was trying to sway their decision today..

No one will drop their rates (a bit like Oil price increases this one!) - but if it goes back up by .25 then they'll raise their rates...! wink

Retard

691 posts

198 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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I think that a cut is most likely but not as much as the markets think it is. I wouldn't cut personally, I'd raise rates, but then I want to cause Gordon Brown as much pain as I possibly can so I'm not really impartial.

By the way the ECB set rates tomorrow too, in this case I beleieve that a hold is extremely likely, and there's even a teeny possibility of a raise. I would be extremely suprised if there were a cut.

edb49

1,652 posts

206 months

Wednesday 5th December 2007
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I *think* all of this is correct, please let me know if not. smile

The bank is supposed to set interest rates based on CPI, keeping it at 2% +/- 1%. I understand CPI is based on the last 12 months of data; therefore you won't get a quick swing.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=19&...

The graph above shows we've been sitting above 2% for almost all the last 12 months, which means the bank should hold/increase rates to get inflation down.

Whether they will in the current climate, who knows? I reckon a hold is likely.

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

243 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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Retard said:
I think that a cut is most likely but not as much as the markets think it is.
Agree - I put £20 on a hold as I think the odds are very favourable

NoelWatson

11,710 posts

243 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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edb49 said:
I *think* all of this is correct, please let me know if not. smile

The bank is supposed to set interest rates based on CPI, keeping it at 2% +/- 1%. I understand CPI is based on the last 12 months of data; therefore you won't get a quick swing.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/CCI/nugget.asp?ID=19&...

The graph above shows we've been sitting above 2% for almost all the last 12 months, which means the bank should hold/increase rates to get inflation down.

Whether they will in the current climate, who knows? I reckon a hold is likely.
What they should do and what they do do is unfortunately very different. I reckon King will vote for hold but Gordon's cronies on the committee will vote for cut. The MPC forecasts seem to underestimate future inflation hence why CPI breached 3% a few months back. There is a massive amount of pressure in the media for a cut.

Retard

691 posts

198 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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Short sterling futures are currently pricing in a certain rate cut (or at least .25 below libor) so I'm going to go short by one lot which is more or less the exact same thing.

Piglet

6,250 posts

256 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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I'd like to see a hold and think this would be in the best interests of the economy but as others have said sadly we might see a cut based on political pressure although we are still mid-term so maybe not.

clubsport

7,260 posts

259 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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1 lot?....surely you will hate yourself if you are correct?


Retard

691 posts

198 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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Not as much as I'd hate myself if I hit it with 100 and was wrong biggrin

clubsport

7,260 posts

259 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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Different trading style, for a 1 lot may as well do a paper trade..Always been taught and ever since when mentoring junior traders to only trade when you have a view.If you have a view, no point it being a single lot considering the dv01.
Personally feel there is more opportunity in the post announvement trade flow for the next few hours up to the close as those who have had "bets" try to square up...good luck, hope you get to pay for lunch! wink

Retard

691 posts

198 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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I do have a view, but I don't really trade short sterling and would like to focus on Euribor and Euroswiss, if I've got it wrong on sterling I'm only going to lose a few ticks so don't have to worry about it (in fact I hit at it at 93.59 and it's trading 93.61 so I'm already losing 2 ticks)

Already paid for lunch thanks to a somewhat larger overnight I took wink

g4ry13

17,047 posts

256 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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The majority were going for hold, nothing much has changed except for a canada cut - but the market's expecting a cut. So i've no idea which way it's going wobble

All I know is come 12:00 i'll be sat watching it live with my finger over the button ready to buy GBP/USD if they hold.

Retard

691 posts

198 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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g4ry13 said:
The majority were going for hold, nothing much has changed except for a canada cut - but the market's expecting a cut. So i've no idea which way it's going wobble

All I know is come 12:00 i'll be sat watching it live with my finger over the button ready to buy GBP/USD if they hold.
Is that not fully automated now?

g4ry13

17,047 posts

256 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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Retard said:
g4ry13 said:
The majority were going for hold, nothing much has changed except for a canada cut - but the market's expecting a cut. So i've no idea which way it's going wobble

All I know is come 12:00 i'll be sat watching it live with my finger over the button ready to buy GBP/USD if they hold.
Is that not fully automated now?
I'm sure all the quants and banks have it automated. Unless I put an order in it's got to be manual, but i'm happy to miss a few pips as if they hold, there's no reason the rate shouldn't go back to 2.04-2.05. Years of using the computer have made my reflexes lightning quick hehe

Edited by g4ry13 on Thursday 6th December 10:41

Retard

691 posts

198 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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g4ry13 said:
Retard said:
g4ry13 said:
The majority were going for hold, nothing much has changed except for a canada cut - but the market's expecting a cut. So i've no idea which way it's going wobble

All I know is come 12:00 i'll be sat watching it live with my finger over the button ready to buy GBP/USD if they hold.
Is that not fully automated now?
I'm sure all the quants have it automated. Unless I put an order in it's got to be manual, but i'm happy to miss a few pips as if they hold there's no reason the rate shouldn't go back to 2.04-2.05. Years of using the computer have made my reflexes lightning quick hehe
Well, good luck, I'd be very nervous of doing that myself!

g4ry13

17,047 posts

256 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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Well, good luck, I'd be very nervous of doing that myself!
smile Thanks, I may not bother if I can't get a good price. Either way I stand to profit whether they cut or hold. Also lots of data from the US out later on will be pivotal.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall at the MPC scratchchin

Retard

691 posts

198 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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g4ry13 said:
Also lots of data from the US out later on will be pivotal.
What data's that?

g4ry13

17,047 posts

256 months

Thursday 6th December 2007
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Retard said:
g4ry13 said:
Also lots of data from the US out later on will be pivotal.
What data's that?
I was looking at the wrong day (yesterday) wobble All i've really got is this:

Initial Jobless Claims (US) (13:30)