iPhone 5: Coming June 2012

[luke111s]

Random black update:

I kept the 'chipped' handset that I received. The 'chip' has disappeared, so it obviouslyly wasn't one. I've since minorly 'scratched' the shiny tapered edge, and that hasn't disappeared after a week or two, but it isn't too noticeable as its on the back and doesn't really bother me. I'm happy to accept marks that I cause, and I expect more to come now, on the taper. The flat back hasn't marked at all.

I suppose the finish isn't as good as I would have hoped from Apple, but it isn't as bad as I thought it might be after reading a number of scare stories about the finish.

[Frik]

petemurphy said:

well i go to london with it with the nipper and inbetween her playing her apps ( yes see other thread dont start moaning ) and me twittering, interwebbing and taking photos of her all day the battery is gone by the train home.

problem is its soo good you want to use it for everything so the battery just goes - would rather have a 4s with an extended battery than the 5 tbh

so needs charging ev night which is a worry with a 2 year contract can see the battery being non existant by the end

and yes have turned off a lot of location stuff but still need it on for maps, rightmove etc. havent tried turning down the brightness yet will try that

I'm curious to see how much of the issues are hardware and which are software related. I too was in London yesterday and had managed to get the battery down to about 45% when I stopped listening to music. I used maps to find a couple of places and just let the phone sleep. When I next switched it on it was down to 20%. That was maybe 20 minutes later and had involved a tube journey (so some loss of signal).

Killing all apps, turning off Bluetooth and turning the brightness down managed to keep the phone alive for the next 7 or so hours.

The point is that if I've ever left TomTom on with previous phones it has knackered the battery, even if the phone is asleep. I have a feeling that The new Apple maps has a similar problem.

[Ordinary_Chap]

Frik said:

petemurphy said:

well i go to london with it with the nipper and inbetween her playing her apps ( yes see other thread dont start moaning ) and me twittering, interwebbing and taking photos of her all day the battery is gone by the train home.

problem is its soo good you want to use it for everything so the battery just goes - would rather have a 4s with an extended battery than the 5 tbh

so needs charging ev night which is a worry with a 2 year contract can see the battery being non existant by the end

and yes have turned off a lot of location stuff but still need it on for maps, rightmove etc. havent tried turning down the brightness yet will try that

I'm curious to see how much of the issues are hardware and which are software related. I too was in London yesterday and had managed to get the battery down to about 45% when I stopped listening to music. I used maps to find a couple of places and just let the phone sleep. When I next switched it on it was down to 20%. That was maybe 20 minutes later and had involved a tube journey (so some loss of signal).

Killing all apps, turning off Bluetooth and turning the brightness down managed to keep the phone alive for the next 7 or so hours.

The point is that if I've ever left TomTom on with previous phones it has knackered the battery, even if the phone is asleep. I have a feeling that The new Apple maps has a similar problem.

Unless its been changed the Apple OS would only allow apps to run in the background for up to 10 minutes before they are effectively paused. Hence the reason some apps will remind you a app is open at the 10 minute mark so they user either returns to the app or it shuts down. This isn't a problem for normal apps but for something that uses a lot of battery and needs to call GPS etc its a bit different.

Still its 10 minutes of very battery hungry app until it shuts down.

And in answer to the original question nearly all of it is hardware.

[Frik]

Ordinary_Chap said:

Unless its been changed the Apple OS would only allow apps to run in the background for up to 10 minutes before they are effectively paused.

Interesting, thanks.

Ordinary_Chap said:

And in answer to the original question nearly all of it is hardware.

Would it be possible to qualify this?

[Ordinary_Chap]

Frik said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

Unless its been changed the Apple OS would only allow apps to run in the background for up to 10 minutes before they are effectively paused.

Interesting, thanks.

Ordinary_Chap said:

And in answer to the original question nearly all of it is hardware.

Would it be possible to qualify this?

• edit* I'm not sure that breaches Apples developer rules.

Edited by Ordinary_Chap on Sunday 21st October 20:45

[rog007]

4G launched on 30 Oct; wonder what I have to do to get it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20026272

Assume EE/Orange will text/mail me or I'll have to pop in to a store?

[vescaegg]

rog007 said:

4G launched on 30 Oct; wonder what I have to do to get it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-20026272

Assume EE/Orange will text/mail me or I'll have to pop in to a store?

I bet they will make it a purchase item. Probably a monthly bolt on or something. Unfortunately I doubt they will just give it to their existing customers for nothing.

[AB]

vescaegg said:

I bet they will make it a purchase item. Probably a monthly bolt on or something. Unfortunately I doubt they will just give it to their existing customers for nothing.

Yeah I imagine it'll be £5/£10?

I don't need it enough to add that onto an already £51 monthly tariff!

[Council Baby]

I was assured when I took the iPhone 5 that it wouldn't cost any extra an I'd be automatically changed to it.

I don't believe that will be the case but it'll be an interesting 'discussion' with them about miselling in a weeks time!

[fadeaway]

Ordinary_Chap said:

Frik said:

petemurphy said:

well i go to london with it with the nipper and inbetween her playing her apps ( yes see other thread dont start moaning ) and me twittering, interwebbing and taking photos of her all day the battery is gone by the train home.

problem is its soo good you want to use it for everything so the battery just goes - would rather have a 4s with an extended battery than the 5 tbh

so needs charging ev night which is a worry with a 2 year contract can see the battery being non existant by the end

and yes have turned off a lot of location stuff but still need it on for maps, rightmove etc. havent tried turning down the brightness yet will try that

I'm curious to see how much of the issues are hardware and which are software related. I too was in London yesterday and had managed to get the battery down to about 45% when I stopped listening to music. I used maps to find a couple of places and just let the phone sleep. When I next switched it on it was down to 20%. That was maybe 20 minutes later and had involved a tube journey (so some loss of signal).

Killing all apps, turning off Bluetooth and turning the brightness down managed to keep the phone alive for the next 7 or so hours.

The point is that if I've ever left TomTom on with previous phones it has knackered the battery, even if the phone is asleep. I have a feeling that The new Apple maps has a similar problem.

Unless its been changed the Apple OS would only allow apps to run in the background for up to 10 minutes before they are effectively paused. Hence the reason some apps will remind you a app is open at the 10 minute mark so they user either returns to the app or it shuts down. This isn't a problem for normal apps but for something that uses a lot of battery and needs to call GPS etc its a bit different.

Still its 10 minutes of very battery hungry app until it shuts down.

And in answer to the original question nearly all of it is hardware.

Any 10 minute rule doesn't apply to all functions - specifically GPS and playing audio. An app in the background can continue doing those tasks until the battery runs out.

Think about a music app like Spotify, you can play music through that while using another app (so Spotify is in the background).

Or a bike/running logging app where you start it off, but phone to sleep and leave it tracking your route for the next few hours.

[Mr E]

Council Baby said:

I was assured when I took the iPhone 5 that it wouldn't cost any extra an I'd be automatically changed to it.

I don't believe that will be the case but it'll be an interesting 'discussion' with them about miselling in a weeks time!

Pretty sure it's new contract time, and it will be an extra fiver a month

[Ordinary_Chap]

fadeaway said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

Frik said:

petemurphy said:

well i go to london with it with the nipper and inbetween her playing her apps ( yes see other thread dont start moaning ) and me twittering, interwebbing and taking photos of her all day the battery is gone by the train home.

problem is its soo good you want to use it for everything so the battery just goes - would rather have a 4s with an extended battery than the 5 tbh

so needs charging ev night which is a worry with a 2 year contract can see the battery being non existant by the end

and yes have turned off a lot of location stuff but still need it on for maps, rightmove etc. havent tried turning down the brightness yet will try that

I'm curious to see how much of the issues are hardware and which are software related. I too was in London yesterday and had managed to get the battery down to about 45% when I stopped listening to music. I used maps to find a couple of places and just let the phone sleep. When I next switched it on it was down to 20%. That was maybe 20 minutes later and had involved a tube journey (so some loss of signal).

Killing all apps, turning off Bluetooth and turning the brightness down managed to keep the phone alive for the next 7 or so hours.

The point is that if I've ever left TomTom on with previous phones it has knackered the battery, even if the phone is asleep. I have a feeling that The new Apple maps has a similar problem.

Unless its been changed the Apple OS would only allow apps to run in the background for up to 10 minutes before they are effectively paused. Hence the reason some apps will remind you a app is open at the 10 minute mark so they user either returns to the app or it shuts down. This isn't a problem for normal apps but for something that uses a lot of battery and needs to call GPS etc its a bit different.

Still its 10 minutes of very battery hungry app until it shuts down.

And in answer to the original question nearly all of it is hardware.

Any 10 minute rule doesn't apply to all functions - specifically GPS and playing audio. An app in the background can continue doing those tasks until the battery runs out.

Think about a music app like Spotify, you can play music through that while using another app (so Spotify is in the background).

Or a bike/running logging app where you start it off, but phone to sleep and leave it tracking your route for the next few hours.

Actually GPS is affected (I know we wrote a GPS app!), well that is unless something has changed recently? (I'm happy to be wrong but it certainly was this way unless the dev's found a sneaky way around the API's.

Most of the other GPS apps like the sat-nav ours prompts just before its due to close and if you return to the app it gets to continue otherwise it gets terminated.

You are correct a few functions can continue in the background and multi-task like music/mail etc.

If you are plugging a bit of hardware into the device the playing field changes i.e. Nike+ etc

I'd be interested in knowing other ways of keep GPS live if you know any? (It would be helpful to a few of our apps).

[Mr E]

Mr E said:

Pretty sure it's new contract time, and it will be an extra fiver a month

Or perhaps an extra tenner from another post...

[BliarOut]

Ordinary_Chap said:

fadeaway said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

Frik said:

petemurphy said:

well i go to london with it with the nipper and inbetween her playing her apps ( yes see other thread dont start moaning ) and me twittering, interwebbing and taking photos of her all day the battery is gone by the train home.

problem is its soo good you want to use it for everything so the battery just goes - would rather have a 4s with an extended battery than the 5 tbh

so needs charging ev night which is a worry with a 2 year contract can see the battery being non existant by the end

and yes have turned off a lot of location stuff but still need it on for maps, rightmove etc. havent tried turning down the brightness yet will try that

I'm curious to see how much of the issues are hardware and which are software related. I too was in London yesterday and had managed to get the battery down to about 45% when I stopped listening to music. I used maps to find a couple of places and just let the phone sleep. When I next switched it on it was down to 20%. That was maybe 20 minutes later and had involved a tube journey (so some loss of signal).

Killing all apps, turning off Bluetooth and turning the brightness down managed to keep the phone alive for the next 7 or so hours.

The point is that if I've ever left TomTom on with previous phones it has knackered the battery, even if the phone is asleep. I have a feeling that The new Apple maps has a similar problem.

Unless its been changed the Apple OS would only allow apps to run in the background for up to 10 minutes before they are effectively paused. Hence the reason some apps will remind you a app is open at the 10 minute mark so they user either returns to the app or it shuts down. This isn't a problem for normal apps but for something that uses a lot of battery and needs to call GPS etc its a bit different.

Still its 10 minutes of very battery hungry app until it shuts down.

And in answer to the original question nearly all of it is hardware.

Any 10 minute rule doesn't apply to all functions - specifically GPS and playing audio. An app in the background can continue doing those tasks until the battery runs out.

Think about a music app like Spotify, you can play music through that while using another app (so Spotify is in the background).

Or a bike/running logging app where you start it off, but phone to sleep and leave it tracking your route for the next few hours.

Actually GPS is affected (I know we wrote a GPS app!), well that is unless something has changed recently? (I'm happy to be wrong but it certainly was this way unless the dev's found a sneaky way around the API's.

Most of the other GPS apps like the sat-nav ours prompts just before its due to close and if you return to the app it gets to continue otherwise it gets terminated.

You are correct a few functions can continue in the background and multi-task like music/mail etc.

If you are plugging a bit of hardware into the device the playing field changes i.e. Nike+ etc

I'd be interested in knowing other ways of keep GPS live if you know any? (It would be helpful to a few of our apps).

Strava runs permanently backgrounded tracking your rides/runs. It's the best way I've found to flatten a battery in under two hours on my old 3GS

[Council Baby]

Mr E said:

Mr E said:

Pretty sure it's new contract time, and it will be an extra fiver a month

Or perhaps an extra tenner from another post...

Or a massive argument over miselling for amusement

After all they record all calls

[Frik]

Ordinary_Chap said:

I'd be interested in knowing other ways of keep GPS live if you know any? (It would be helpful to a few of our apps).

Not quite the same, but as I found and recorded on this thread, foursquare uses location services to monitor you position even when it is switched off so it can notify you when it finds something of interest nearby.

[Ordinary_Chap]

BliarOut said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

fadeaway said:

Ordinary_Chap said:

Frik said:

petemurphy said:

well i go to london with it with the nipper and inbetween her playing her apps ( yes see other thread dont start moaning ) and me twittering, interwebbing and taking photos of her all day the battery is gone by the train home.

problem is its soo good you want to use it for everything so the battery just goes - would rather have a 4s with an extended battery than the 5 tbh

so needs charging ev night which is a worry with a 2 year contract can see the battery being non existant by the end

and yes have turned off a lot of location stuff but still need it on for maps, rightmove etc. havent tried turning down the brightness yet will try that

I'm curious to see how much of the issues are hardware and which are software related. I too was in London yesterday and had managed to get the battery down to about 45% when I stopped listening to music. I used maps to find a couple of places and just let the phone sleep. When I next switched it on it was down to 20%. That was maybe 20 minutes later and had involved a tube journey (so some loss of signal).

Killing all apps, turning off Bluetooth and turning the brightness down managed to keep the phone alive for the next 7 or so hours.

The point is that if I've ever left TomTom on with previous phones it has knackered the battery, even if the phone is asleep. I have a feeling that The new Apple maps has a similar problem.

Unless its been changed the Apple OS would only allow apps to run in the background for up to 10 minutes before they are effectively paused. Hence the reason some apps will remind you a app is open at the 10 minute mark so they user either returns to the app or it shuts down. This isn't a problem for normal apps but for something that uses a lot of battery and needs to call GPS etc its a bit different.

Still its 10 minutes of very battery hungry app until it shuts down.

And in answer to the original question nearly all of it is hardware.

Any 10 minute rule doesn't apply to all functions - specifically GPS and playing audio. An app in the background can continue doing those tasks until the battery runs out.

Think about a music app like Spotify, you can play music through that while using another app (so Spotify is in the background).

Or a bike/running logging app where you start it off, but phone to sleep and leave it tracking your route for the next few hours.

Actually GPS is affected (I know we wrote a GPS app!), well that is unless something has changed recently? (I'm happy to be wrong but it certainly was this way unless the dev's found a sneaky way around the API's.

Most of the other GPS apps like the sat-nav ours prompts just before its due to close and if you return to the app it gets to continue otherwise it gets terminated.

You are correct a few functions can continue in the background and multi-task like music/mail etc.

If you are plugging a bit of hardware into the device the playing field changes i.e. Nike+ etc

I'd be interested in knowing other ways of keep GPS live if you know any? (It would be helpful to a few of our apps).

Strava runs permanently backgrounded tracking your rides/runs. It's the best way I've found to flatten a battery in under two hours on my old 3GS

Does it run on later OS's/iPhones? I will take a look! Technically you shouldn't be able to do that anymore.

[Timbuk2]

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/ee-4g-full-prices-...

"The first 4G network in the UK launches next week, courtesy of EE (the network formed by the merger of Orange and T-Mobile). Orange and T-Mobile still exist, but if you want next-generation data speeds on your phone you need to sign up for a new contract from EE."

[Timbuk2]

Ordinary_Chap said:

Does it run on later OS's/iPhones? I will take a look! Technically you shouldn't be able to do that anymore.

We use an app called Pirelli Diablo Super Biker for iPhone which constantly tracks you via GPS when the screen is locked! HTH

[Council Baby]

Timbuk2 said:

http://crave.cnet.co.uk/mobiles/ee-4g-full-prices-...

"The first 4G network in the UK launches next week, courtesy of EE (the network formed by the merger of Orange and T-Mobile). Orange and T-Mobile still exist, but if you want next-generation data speeds on your phone you need to sign up for a new contract from EE."

My contract on the iPhone 5 is with EE as I understand it. That's what they told me anyway!