iOS 6 preview now on Apple website

[frosted]

Errr..... Some of that may be true

[vtgts300kw]

Family Guy confused the hell out of me in those screenshots. Are you watching that Picture In Picture style?

[ZesPak]

vtgts300kw said:

Family Guy confused the hell out of me in those screenshots. Are you watching that Picture In Picture style?

He is, I do the same on the tablet, neat function if you just want to check something quickly.

[CommanderJameson]

Stuart said:

I've been running iOS6 for a couple of months now (or since the second beta came out at least, whenever that was).

Cool. On the developer program, yes?

ETA: I'm looking forward to this on my iPad.

My next phone is almost certainly a Lumia 920.

[Stuart]

CommanderJameson said:

Cool. On the developer program, yes?

Yes. Upside of having to occasionally UAT apps before they go out the door. I tend to to add the second or third release though, as this is my own phone rather than a dedicated development handset.

[wiggy001]

eharding said:

frosted said:

Just a few things I can do with my sg3,even can upload pictures straight on here from my phone, but yes IOS cant really get any better

Sweet - so you watch stolen films at the same time as "Viewing Real Personals and Flirting 24/7" on your SG3....and the fun hasn't even begun yet?

Legendary.

I really don't understand why Apple wouldn't let you download illegal rips of movies. It just doesn't make any sense to me...

Frosted - you think Android is better than iOS. We get that. But you're not being overly constructive in your arguments. If you said "Some useful features of Android that would make iOS much better are..." then people might listen to you.

What you also need to realise is that, for the vast majority of people, being able to download movies or have picture in picture is just not that important. I'm a techie geek by all accounts, and I have never used the picture in picture feature of my TV, so why would I want it on my phone?

Apple make an excellent OS for the majority of users. Why would they do anything different? If they added extra stuff and it wasn't intuitive to use (and therefore the phone required some instructions to be able to use the features), they would probably lose sales, not gain them.

There are simple things I would like to see on iOS (widgets, one touch settings, profiles) which I think should be implemented (as they would make sense to the majority of users). There are also other features that the techie geek in me wants to see (Siri completely opened up, more interaction between apps etc), but these will not be a requirement of 99% of iPhone customers, so I do not expect them to be implemented necessarily.

[Zod]

Otispunkmeyer said:

Zod said:

Stuart said:

- Volume button as camera button. Nice this. Quite often smartphone cameras miss the moment because you're dicking about unlocking the screen, opening the app and then focussing/pressing the on screen button. It feels a bit more like you've got a compact camera in your pocket.

That's been there since iOS 5 came out.

Shutter button yes, I thought this was now going to be a one button push from the lock screen? ( may of just made that up, but it sounds good )

That's been there too! Camera button to the left of the slider that you slide up.

[Pentoman]

Agree with the mild disappoint of each iOS release. Always expect more. But I'm also glad they aren't going too far with each release and ending up with unstable products with bugs. Far too common in this industry.

Currently have both Android and iDevice. iDevice more reliable, stable, user-friendly, less frustrating. Android can do more and has nice features but much more frustrating to use in many many ways. It's like a step back in terms of IT. For example Ice Cream Sandwich update to the OS broke Skype, it brought in a bug with volume settings, and the last google maps update caused hard resets after 2 minutes' use. But then android has to support a wider range of products so... yeah. In that respect they are incomparable. Like comparing Windows with the software in your DVD player.

I'm just glad we've got 2 excellent choices available.

[ZesPak]

Pentoman said:

I'm just glad we've got 2 excellent choices available.

Have a go on a Windows Phone, imho we have 3 great choices available.

The reason that this release imho is disappointing is that we all have this functionality on Android (yes, there it is again ), now it's great that any OS borrows good stuff from others, but I'd love to see some new stuff as well.
Siri wasn't new, but for other manufacturers it moved focus to voice control once again. Android is great but WP and iOS got the smoothness, even on lower spec devices, nailed. So they try to implement it.
iOS notifications were cumbersome, but they took the notification bar and give it their own twist, it works great now.
Android with JB got a new notification bar system, more text there and options, works amazingly well.

That's the way to move forward. I reserve final judgement until I get my hands on one (and I will, I'll test run the 920 and iPhone 5 for at least a week each in Q4), but for now the announcement doesn't bring anything new that could better other implementations.

Of course, Apple is very smart in this aspect, so there's a good chance they're keeping a couple of things up their sleeve, set expectations low, deliver high. Let's hope that's the case .

[onlynik]

Pentoman said:

Agree with the mild disappoint of each iOS release. Always expect more. But I'm also glad they aren't going too far with each release and ending up with unstable products with bugs. Far too common in this industry.

Currently have both Android and iDevice. iDevice more reliable, stable, user-friendly, less frustrating. Android can do more and has nice features but much more frustrating to use in many many ways. It's like a step back in terms of IT. For example Ice Cream Sandwich update to the OS broke Skype, it brought in a bug with volume settings, and the last google maps update caused hard resets after 2 minutes' use. But then android has to support a wider range of products so... yeah. In that respect they are incomparable. Like comparing Windows with the software in your DVD player.

I'm just glad we've got 2 excellent choices available.

I never had any issues upgrading from ICS to JB nothing broke and everything worked wonderfully.

As for more reliable and more user friednly, I can't agree with that. I find iphones very unuser friendly especially if it isn't your phone and you're borrowing it to use an app. Most frustrating.

I recently bought a Nexus 7, and my wife, who loves her iphone commented on how much easier the OS was to use than IOS.

[PJ S]

TonyHetherington said:

Fundamentally, though, it hasn't changed since iteration 1. New features, new native apps, but the useage (much like Windows on the PC since Win 95) hasn't changed much.

I see no reason for it to.

Tony....Tony...Tony.....<sighing>.....such rational thinking isn't very PH these days.
You'll have to put an end to it, at once.

[phil-sti]

I looking forward to quite a few of the features, then I'll jailbreak it.

[Stuart]

onlynik said:

Pentoman said:

Agree with the mild disappoint of each iOS release. Always expect more. But I'm also glad they aren't going too far with each release and ending up with unstable products with bugs. Far too common in this industry.

Currently have both Android and iDevice. iDevice more reliable, stable, user-friendly, less frustrating. Android can do more and has nice features but much more frustrating to use in many many ways. It's like a step back in terms of IT. For example Ice Cream Sandwich update to the OS broke Skype, it brought in a bug with volume settings, and the last google maps update caused hard resets after 2 minutes' use. But then android has to support a wider range of products so... yeah. In that respect they are incomparable. Like comparing Windows with the software in your DVD player.

I'm just glad we've got 2 excellent choices available.

I never had any issues upgrading from ICS to JB nothing broke and everything worked wonderfully.

As for more reliable and more user friednly, I can't agree with that. I find iphones very unuser friendly especially if it isn't your phone and you're borrowing it to use an app. Most frustrating.

I recently bought a Nexus 7, and my wife, who loves her iphone commented on how much easier the OS was to use than IOS.

Ultimately usability is a subjective judgement though, isn't it?

Personally I'm with onlynik, again as a regular user of both products. There are many things I love about my S2, but many frustrate the hell out of me. iOS might not be as cutting edge across the entire feature range, but I prefer it. It'd be the one I'd choose over the two.

Agree that the Nexus 7 is a lovely thing though. Very, very tempted at the price and I don't see myself being able to justify another iPad at the price premium given what I know I tend to use it for having owned a 1st generation device since new. I run our digital mags as well as PH so need to keep on top of both ecosystems, but I'm personally just not a huge user of apps on the iPad. I use it to browse the web while I'm waiting for my kids to go to sleep, and for email while I'm travelling. I can cover that off for £169 and pocket the change.

[PJ S]

Mermaid said:

I have no doubt that Apple has thought of super niche they can fill, for me its a sat-nav device too.

Interesting notion, and extrapolated, could Apple be lining up to acquire TomTom, what with Siri being proposed for car makers to integrate with?
Stepping forward again, could Apple become more involved with car makers, than Alpine or whomever else is OEM'ing?

[Stuart]

PJ S said:

Mermaid said:

I have no doubt that Apple has thought of super niche they can fill, for me its a sat-nav device too.

Interesting notion, and extrapolated, could Apple be lining up to acquire TomTom, what with Siri being proposed for car makers to integrate with?
Stepping forward again, could Apple become more involved with car makers, than Alpine or whomever else is OEM'ing?

I have good nav in my current car, so don't tend to use it. The TomTom is very good though. I could be tempted to go back to it in the cars I have without nav, with a decent bracket.

[mildmannered]

wiggy001 said:

... profiles...

OMG, yes, I forgot about profiles from my old Nokia days!

When in the car kit, it would unlock the screen, backlight on etc!

That would be neat for the iPhone!

Be interesting to have Tom Tom instead of Nav Free, which is OK, but not as slick as the sat nav that was included in my daughters S2.

Also, hopefully, the Facebook integration will mean I can post a picture straight after taking it or from the camera roll. Always surprised me that wasn't done as standard?

I would like relevant UPPER/lower case characters on the screen too (like Android).

One thing though, I've now set a PIN code, but I do find it a faff unlocking the bloody thing. Home button, Slide to unlock, PIN code every time I want to use it! Never bothered with security before, but then this is the most expensive/desirable to tea leaves phone I've ever had!

[TheHeretic]

You can change the pin setting in erm, settings. Set the duration, or no pass code at all.

[frosted]

mildmannered said:

OMG, yes, I forgot about profiles from my old Nokia days!

When in the car kit, it would unlock the screen, backlight on etc!

That would be neat for the iPhone!

Be interesting to have Tom Tom instead of Nav Free, which is OK, but not as slick as the sat nav that was included in my daughters S2.

Also, hopefully, the Facebook integration will mean I can post a picture straight after taking it or from the camera roll. Always surprised me that wasn't done as standard?

I would like relevant UPPER/lower case characters on the screen too (like Android).

One thing though, I've now set a PIN code, but I do find it a faff unlocking the bloody thing. Home button, Slide to unlock, PIN code every time I want to use it! Never bothered with security before, but then this is the most expensive/desirable to tea leaves phone I've ever had!

This is what my sg3 has, rather not even a tom tom can match that imo

[mildmannered]

TheHeretic said:

You can change the pin setting in erm, settings. Set the duration, or no pass code at all.

I've set a pin so I can fully utilize the "Find iPhone" software (we have an iPad at home). It's not a dig at the product at all, just that it's a pain in the bum! There is so much of me stored on my phone, it would be daft not to take some security measures.

[TheHeretic]

mildmannered said:

I've set a pin so I can fully utilize the "Find iPhone" software (we have an iPad at home). It's not a dig at the product at all, just that it's a pain in the bum! There is so much of me stored on my phone, it would be daft not to take some security measures.

Just saying you can set it to 15 minutes, for a decent time between requests, or never. Wasn't suggesting it was a dig, just suggesting you could fettle.