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TheHeretic said:
iOS is not a mediocre market share.
Well, in the mapping world, with their current business model it's impossible for them to have any sort of market share.Android users outnumber iOS users to begin with.
Windows users outnumber OSX users, their maps aren't even available on any other platform apart from iOS.
iOS user base is big enough. Market share at 30% + in the US. The idea that Google might be the only show in town in the mapping business in the future is exactly why Apple have made their change.
If you know anything about Apple, it's that the money is in the Hardware, not the software. With $100 Billion + in the bank, they can do whatever they have to to make their own mapping service work. It will take time, but by its very nature, incremental improvements are all that's required.
If you know anything about Apple, it's that the money is in the Hardware, not the software. With $100 Billion + in the bank, they can do whatever they have to to make their own mapping service work. It will take time, but by its very nature, incremental improvements are all that's required.
Leithen said:
iOS user base is big enough. Market share at 30% + in the US. The idea that Google might be the only show in town in the mapping business in the future is exactly why Apple have made their change.
If you know anything about Apple, it's that the money is in the Hardware, not the software. With $100 Billion + in the bank, they can do whatever they have to to make their own mapping service work. It will take time, but by its very nature, incremental improvements are all that's required.
30% of the mobile market and 0% market share of any other market seems minuscule to me?If you know anything about Apple, it's that the money is in the Hardware, not the software. With $100 Billion + in the bank, they can do whatever they have to to make their own mapping service work. It will take time, but by its very nature, incremental improvements are all that's required.
Also with 100 Billion in the bank and zero years of experience and development, I doubt they will be able to play catchup.
do you think they are suddenly going to deploy cars to drive around cities and take pictures to cater for their relatively small market, when their money comes from hardware??
jamoor said:
Leithen said:
iOS user base is big enough. Market share at 30% + in the US. The idea that Google might be the only show in town in the mapping business in the future is exactly why Apple have made their change.
If you know anything about Apple, it's that the money is in the Hardware, not the software. With $100 Billion + in the bank, they can do whatever they have to to make their own mapping service work. It will take time, but by its very nature, incremental improvements are all that's required.
30% of the mobile market and 0% market share of any other market seems minuscule to me?If you know anything about Apple, it's that the money is in the Hardware, not the software. With $100 Billion + in the bank, they can do whatever they have to to make their own mapping service work. It will take time, but by its very nature, incremental improvements are all that's required.
Also with 100 Billion in the bank and zero years of experience and development, I doubt they will be able to play catchup.
do you think they are suddenly going to deploy cars to drive around cities and take pictures to cater for their relatively small market, when their money comes from hardware??
Apple now own a few company, and have hired a right few mapping data ones - since 3 years ago.
They, as in those purchased companies, will be working on updating the Map app from feedback and extra numbers of hands thrown at the project.
Many a company thrives in their niche market segment, so the percentages mentioned are a moot point!
On that note, there is nothing to say or even stop Apple introducing Maps as a standalone OS X application, or embedding it into Safari as a button soon or when it's considered to be much more homogenous and accurate than it currently stands.
All of a sudden, and across desktop platforms, that 0% market share jumps to quite a sizeable one.
Your last point is ill thought out - the sheer volume of data and number of engineers required to process it, never mind the aspect of replicating what already exists, makes Apple doing Streetview a complete non-starter, unless there's something they can add to it, to make it unique.
I also suspect market research exists that demonstrates it is not a priority or often used feature by the majority of people, so not having it won't be a big deal.
If (when?) Apple puts Maps into Safari, you know it will be linked to their Cloud, so a previously looked at route/destination on the desktop, could be accessed on your iDevice, and going forward, as Apple is trying to get car makers to integrate Siri (as a precursor to much more?) then it's not such a leap of imagination if the more becomes reality, then Cloud access is available too. Ergo route guidance, etc all becomes interoperable.
To my mind, I see the car and Siri thing being Apple's way of getting into the car market, and from there, it's rudimentary to see what would then follow if that's the case.
Of course, I could be adding 1+1 and getting 12 as a result - only time will tell.
PJ S said:
Wow....such short-sightedness is absolutely astounding!
Apple now own a few company, and have hired a right few mapping data ones - since 3 years ago.
They, as in those purchased companies, will be working on updating the Map app from feedback and extra numbers of hands thrown at the project.
Many a company thrives in their niche market segment, so the percentages mentioned are a moot point!
On that note, there is nothing to say or even stop Apple introducing Maps as a standalone OS X application, or embedding it into Safari as a button soon or when it's considered to be much more homogenous and accurate than it currently stands.
All of a sudden, and across desktop platforms, that 0% market share jumps to quite a sizeable one.
Your last point is ill thought out - the sheer volume of data and number of engineers required to process it, never mind the aspect of replicating what already exists, makes Apple doing Streetview a complete non-starter, unless there's something they can add to it, to make it unique.
I also suspect market research exists that demonstrates it is not a priority or often used feature by the majority of people, so not having it won't be a big deal.
If (when?) Apple puts Maps into Safari, you know it will be linked to their Cloud, so a previously looked at route/destination on the desktop, could be accessed on your iDevice, and going forward, as Apple is trying to get car makers to integrate Siri (as a precursor to much more?) then it's not such a leap of imagination if the more becomes reality, then Cloud access is available too. Ergo route guidance, etc all becomes interoperable.
To my mind, I see the car and Siri thing being Apple's way of getting into the car market, and from there, it's rudimentary to see what would then follow if that's the case.
Of course, I could be adding 1+1 and getting 12 as a result - only time will tell.
Jeesh THREE YEARS?? Are you sure?Apple now own a few company, and have hired a right few mapping data ones - since 3 years ago.
They, as in those purchased companies, will be working on updating the Map app from feedback and extra numbers of hands thrown at the project.
Many a company thrives in their niche market segment, so the percentages mentioned are a moot point!
On that note, there is nothing to say or even stop Apple introducing Maps as a standalone OS X application, or embedding it into Safari as a button soon or when it's considered to be much more homogenous and accurate than it currently stands.
All of a sudden, and across desktop platforms, that 0% market share jumps to quite a sizeable one.
Your last point is ill thought out - the sheer volume of data and number of engineers required to process it, never mind the aspect of replicating what already exists, makes Apple doing Streetview a complete non-starter, unless there's something they can add to it, to make it unique.
I also suspect market research exists that demonstrates it is not a priority or often used feature by the majority of people, so not having it won't be a big deal.
If (when?) Apple puts Maps into Safari, you know it will be linked to their Cloud, so a previously looked at route/destination on the desktop, could be accessed on your iDevice, and going forward, as Apple is trying to get car makers to integrate Siri (as a precursor to much more?) then it's not such a leap of imagination if the more becomes reality, then Cloud access is available too. Ergo route guidance, etc all becomes interoperable.
To my mind, I see the car and Siri thing being Apple's way of getting into the car market, and from there, it's rudimentary to see what would then follow if that's the case.
Of course, I could be adding 1+1 and getting 12 as a result - only time will tell.
Anyone remember what google maps was like in 2009? I certainly remember their coverage of Africa/Asia was rudimentary.
Google Already does the whole "cloud" thing. They even do it with BMW http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jr61tm9RwtY
Also I can just star a place in my browser and it comes up on Google Maps wherever I'm logged in.
jamoor said:
30% of the mobile market and 0% market share of any other market seems minuscule to me?
If you believe Apple, iOS6 is already on 100 Million devices, a few weeks after release. How many more do you need?jamoor said:
Also with 100 Billion in the bank and zero years of experience and development, I doubt they will be able to play catchup.
They have been purchasing mapping technology and expertise for a couple of years and are reportedly actively hiring such expertise currently (hardly surprising). The mistake here is to believe that they are starting from zero. They are licensing data from a myriad of different sources. The headlines are being made by inaccuracies in the data, which will most likely be down to the algorithms etc being used. So you have to ask, how much ground is there really to catch up?The nature of mapping is that of the base layer, which is probably 99% correct already, and then the detail layers that need constant updating. By embarking down this path, Apple knows that it is going to have to maintain accuracy. For whatever reason the accuracy isn't good enough at the moment - no doubt a few heads will roll. But there are enough players in the market for that to be rectified. The real advances will be made when map data is leveraged for interactive purposes - the real reason why Apple wanted to do their own thing.
jamoor said:
do you think they are suddenly going to deploy cars to drive around cities and take pictures to cater for their relatively small market, when their money comes from hardware??
They don't have to - plenty of other companies across the world are doing it for them. I drove past one in Edinburgh the other day - can't remember the name on the car, but it wasn't Google. Again by its nature such photography has to be updated regularly. What makes you think Google are the only ones to try and collect such data?
andy-xr said:
Rob282828 said:
Yes but being tethered isn't very practical and you have to install Cydia afterwards.
How long will i be waiting for the new updated iOS6 Jailbreak to come out because there's not much activity on the website or anything?
Would it be worth downgrading back to iOS5.1.1 and hacking that instead?
Hope someone can help me please.
Agreed...but it's there and working. I'd give it a week or so, keep an eye on the Absinthe website, they reckon they've done it untethered on older hardwareHow long will i be waiting for the new updated iOS6 Jailbreak to come out because there's not much activity on the website or anything?
Would it be worth downgrading back to iOS5.1.1 and hacking that instead?
Hope someone can help me please.
CoPilot - 1 free offline map, you can choose UK & NI. No voice directions though. - http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/copilot-gps-plan-ex...
Skobbler (GPS Navigation 2) - was free when I got it, now only £1.49. Offline and online maps with voice directions. - http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/gps-navigation-2-sa...
Skobbler (GPS Navigation 2) - was free when I got it, now only £1.49. Offline and online maps with voice directions. - http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/gps-navigation-2-sa...
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