Apple obsession or delusion
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anonymous said:
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We have a few Apple computers, I have one at work simply for invoicing, the wife has one for work in the office and I have an iBook.The iBook has been left idle the last month as I went out and bought a £230 Dell Chromebook for our day to day browsing and ordering stuff.The iBook and the one upstairs are now slow, laggy and frequently crash. Ok so they are several years old, but they are seriously outdated and would have been cheaper to buy a laptop every few years. Add to that I need a PC for work related stuff , no-one does car diagnosis or race data systems on a Mac. As for the chromebook, yes it has its weaknesses but for 90% of the time, linked to a cloud printer its as fast as the Mac ever was.
pavka007 said:
I don't know about your friend but 7 years ago I've moved to Apple and never looked back. I bought new 24" iMac in 2008 and after the latest OS update is even better than when was new.
Now....how many Windows based machines you know that can run everything of today software and being 6 years old? My Mac still as fresh as almost new. Never had a single issue and the Mac is on 24/7. The only time is shut down is for OS update, so this will make it 4 times since 2008.
My desktop PC is coming up for 6 years old - no problem running latest Hotoshop/Lightroom etc. under Windows 7 (It runs Windows 8 but tbh I leave that and its original Vista was slower), which is what it was brought for - pretty much anything general software leaves it idling - it has been upgraded to 12G Ram (was cheap) and larger data hard disk - ram only helps with lots of photos open. I believe it was comparable in cost to a Mac at the time.Now....how many Windows based machines you know that can run everything of today software and being 6 years old? My Mac still as fresh as almost new. Never had a single issue and the Mac is on 24/7. The only time is shut down is for OS update, so this will make it 4 times since 2008.
Changed to Apple kit in 2011.
I think the upsurge in Mac use is iPhone pull-through. It certainly was that way for me. If you compare a Mac with a similarly built PC by, say, Dell and spec up a software suite similarly I'm not sure that the price is that far different.
And the operating system is UNIX(ish) which is pure and beautiful etc etc.
I think the upsurge in Mac use is iPhone pull-through. It certainly was that way for me. If you compare a Mac with a similarly built PC by, say, Dell and spec up a software suite similarly I'm not sure that the price is that far different.
And the operating system is UNIX(ish) which is pure and beautiful etc etc.
For 3 people don't overlook the fact that simply giving them something they like and enjoy using very probably outweighs the additional cost in increased productivity.
Yes he'll be paying more than he will for a typical Dell/HP/Lenovo laptop but it's still chicken feed compared to what he's (presumably) paying those folks over three years.
Yes he'll be paying more than he will for a typical Dell/HP/Lenovo laptop but it's still chicken feed compared to what he's (presumably) paying those folks over three years.
There is no competition an Mac is better than a cheap PC. But you can spend 2K on a decent PC they will generally be comparable quality with Mac, however I suspect a lot of people spending that much will be pushing for performance over quality.
The one advantage I have seen with a Apple - people generally just leave them alone and treat them as a tool (where as I have heard several people complain about PC after they fiddle using what they read online to get better performance)
The one advantage I have seen with a Apple - people generally just leave them alone and treat them as a tool (where as I have heard several people complain about PC after they fiddle using what they read online to get better performance)
I've been using Apple kit for 10+ years personally. For a while I ran VMWare Fusion and XP for some office stuff I needed, but thankfully packed that in a few years ago. My own choice, and mine to make as I own my own business.
We have a medium sized concern with a Head office of five people. I have just replaced all but one of the old Windows XP machines in the office with.............. Windows 7 Lenovo desktops. Great machines running nothing clever, just accountancy software, payroll and Office. We already had good screens, so it was just the desktop unit required. I've specced them up with good processors, plenty of RAM and fully expect them to last for many years.
Did I ever consider offering them Macs? No - completely unnecessary for the purpose required. Would I ever buy another Windows machine for myself - not at the moment - I use a 2013 Macbook Air that goes everywhere with me. It doubles as work and play, is never shut down just closed to sleep and put on charge.
The only exception to the rule is one member of staff who does a lot of publishing/photo work requiring Photoshop etc. I've offered him a Mac, and he's been tempted, but I think he's going to stay in the Windows world. Fine by me.
Fileservers, Mailservers and Backup solutions for the aforementioned - nows that's much more of a headache, especially for a business our size that can afford a support contract with some clever boffins, but not an IT dept.
We have a medium sized concern with a Head office of five people. I have just replaced all but one of the old Windows XP machines in the office with.............. Windows 7 Lenovo desktops. Great machines running nothing clever, just accountancy software, payroll and Office. We already had good screens, so it was just the desktop unit required. I've specced them up with good processors, plenty of RAM and fully expect them to last for many years.
Did I ever consider offering them Macs? No - completely unnecessary for the purpose required. Would I ever buy another Windows machine for myself - not at the moment - I use a 2013 Macbook Air that goes everywhere with me. It doubles as work and play, is never shut down just closed to sleep and put on charge.
The only exception to the rule is one member of staff who does a lot of publishing/photo work requiring Photoshop etc. I've offered him a Mac, and he's been tempted, but I think he's going to stay in the Windows world. Fine by me.
Fileservers, Mailservers and Backup solutions for the aforementioned - nows that's much more of a headache, especially for a business our size that can afford a support contract with some clever boffins, but not an IT dept.
Gargamel said:
Once you hit that point when the latest OS release won't run on your mac, they become increasingly useless
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Not really; one of ours is an old MacMini running 10.6.8. It is fine for most things.Posted from my obsolete IPad
For non-gaming use at home, I use a 27" 2011 iMac with an i7, 16GB of RAM and an SSD. For anything other than the latest games it is as fast as my water-cooled gaming PC with its i7, PCIe SSD, 16GB of RAM and a 680 GTX (about to swap to a 980).
I'd prefer to use a Mac at work if I could. I have no objection to Windows 8.1, but I just prefer OS X for work.
JimmyTheHand said:
My desktop PC is coming up for 6 years old - no problem running latest Hotoshop/Lightroom etc. under Windows 7 (It runs Windows 8 but tbh I leave that and its original Vista was slower), which is what it was brought for - pretty much anything general software leaves it idling - it has been upgraded to 12G Ram (was cheap) and larger data hard disk - ram only helps with lots of photos open. I believe it was comparable in cost to a Mac at the time.
Well...as per your own post you had to upgrade, RAM and new HD, My Mac is as it was from the box. 320GB HD and 4GB RAM.If they both were at the same price bracket how they compare now considering that you already put additional money into it?
Today I can get 512GB SSD for my Mac for £191.99 and this will make it flying.
http://uk.crucial.com/gbr/en/ssd/CT512M550SSD1?gcl...
So how much was your HD and RAM? How much you have spent for Protection over the years? How many updates you are receiving on a daily basis?
Would you like me to go on? I am sure that you get the point by now.
Edited by pavka007 on Wednesday 26th November 19:42
Edited by pavka007 on Wednesday 26th November 19:42
I've just moved to iMac, my first Apple computer (not counting the iPad).
I did it with trepidation to be honest, I had no problem with Windows 8 but was lured by the brand and promise that things run "better" and "last longer" . Time will tell.
The new retina screen imac was what clinched it for me, 27" retina is fabulous for text and the standard document related stuff and even better for photography.
I am looking for ways to wean myself off all windows programs, so although I have Parallels for Office and couple other programs I'm starting to use the Apple equivalent software and so far so good.
Tellingly, everything has gone swimmingly since I unpacked it, only remaining key thing to do is get my head around best way to back it up!
I did it with trepidation to be honest, I had no problem with Windows 8 but was lured by the brand and promise that things run "better" and "last longer" . Time will tell.
The new retina screen imac was what clinched it for me, 27" retina is fabulous for text and the standard document related stuff and even better for photography.
I am looking for ways to wean myself off all windows programs, so although I have Parallels for Office and couple other programs I'm starting to use the Apple equivalent software and so far so good.
Tellingly, everything has gone swimmingly since I unpacked it, only remaining key thing to do is get my head around best way to back it up!
including the massively improved Outlook 2014 for Mac.He's probably still spent less buying that bigger HDD and extra RAM than you paid for your Mac to begin with.
Not sure what the relevance of him buying a bigger HDD whilst you make do is either, unless you think 320Gb is enough space for everyone?
Not sure what the relevance of him buying a bigger HDD whilst you make do is either, unless you think 320Gb is enough space for everyone?
Edited by Oakey on Wednesday 26th November 19:59
pavka007 said:
Now....how many Windows based machines you know that can run everything of today software and being 6 years old?
Only every half decent computer conceived in the past ten years?? Seriously people, they are just regular computers in an aluminium case and another OS on it.
As pointed out above, try running several Mac and Windows machines and come back to us on maintenance. The problem with this delusion is that people have had some £400 machines, then buy a mac at £1600 and then conclude they are better machines. Which they are, a £1600 Apple computer beats the crap out of a £400 computer from another brand. But spend £1200 on your computer and the tables are turned.
As for the people saying they are better for work, why is every big office I've ever been equipped with mid to high end Lenovo, Dell or Hp? Are all these CIO so incompetent they can't see that Apple is the way to go?
Don't get me wrong, they do have a couple of gems in their line up. The new 5k will be relatively cheap considering the screen. The MBPR 15" is another example of a good machine with a reasonable price.
It's not just about the sleek aluminium designer lines - there's actually some decent technology that still isn't yet widely available in the PC market. Things like PCie flash drives, retina screens and thunderbolt ports. I also can't think of anything that compares to the new iMac 5K for the price.
Oakey said:
He's probably still spent less buying that bigger HDD and extra RAM than you paid for your Mac to begin with.
Not sure what the relevance of him buying a bigger HDD whilst you make do is either, unless you think 320Gb is enough space for everyone?
Have you actually read his post: "I believe it was comparable in cost to a Mac at the time."?Not sure what the relevance of him buying a bigger HDD whilst you make do is either, unless you think 320Gb is enough space for everyone?
Edited by Oakey on Wednesday 26th November 19:59
Or perhaps you just like to pick and choose what part of the post is suitable for your eyes and brain only
ZesPak said:
Seriously people, they are just regular computers in an aluminium case and another OS on it.
As pointed out above, try running several Mac and Windows machines and come back to us on maintenance. The problem with this delusion is that people have had some £400 machines, then buy a mac at £1600 and then conclude they are better machines. Which they are, a £1600 Apple computer beats the crap out of a £400 computer from another brand. But spend £1200 on your computer and the tables are turned.
Indeed and if you like you can run Apple O/S on your PC anyway.As pointed out above, try running several Mac and Windows machines and come back to us on maintenance. The problem with this delusion is that people have had some £400 machines, then buy a mac at £1600 and then conclude they are better machines. Which they are, a £1600 Apple computer beats the crap out of a £400 computer from another brand. But spend £1200 on your computer and the tables are turned.
I have a machine running Mavericks, Windows 7 and Ubuntu. It cost me $450 in 2010. Since then I've added a 150 euro Nvidia GTX660 graphics card and a 300 euro 1TB SSD. For a total spend of around 700 quid I have a machine that outperforms any of Apple's frankly overpriced generic hardware.
Run a 15" Macbook Pro for my work machine, a 13" Macbook Air for my personal machine.
Compared to the HP Z Books that would have been my other option for the work machine, the MBP is a lot lighter with noticeably better battery life (although it does only have 16gb RAM instead of the 32gb in the Z books)
Also I quite like having the Terminal (and having it on a supported OS rather than installing my own Linux distribution) in work or pissing about with Cygwin.
Are the machines *really* that much more expensive than an HP / Lenovo machine of the equivalent specification/quality? Last time I checked there wasn't a huge amount in it (e.g. a Lenovo W / HP Z book against a 15" MBP).
Compared to the HP Z Books that would have been my other option for the work machine, the MBP is a lot lighter with noticeably better battery life (although it does only have 16gb RAM instead of the 32gb in the Z books)
Also I quite like having the Terminal (and having it on a supported OS rather than installing my own Linux distribution) in work or pissing about with Cygwin.
Are the machines *really* that much more expensive than an HP / Lenovo machine of the equivalent specification/quality? Last time I checked there wasn't a huge amount in it (e.g. a Lenovo W / HP Z book against a 15" MBP).
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