Does facebook listen to conversations??

Does facebook listen to conversations??

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Lynchie999

3,425 posts

154 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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talked about Manfrotto tripods to someone earlier... Lo and behold! - when I go onto Facebook on my laptop!

eek

twing

5,019 posts

132 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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ReverendCounter said:
twing said:
That's a hell of a coinsidence.
It's not, your conversation was recorded/used by FB to create a tailored ad.
I have my FB microphone turned off though. Also disabled "Hey Siri"

Blown2CV

28,852 posts

204 months

Thursday 11th January 2018
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twing said:
ReverendCounter said:
twing said:
That's a hell of a coinsidence.
It's not, your conversation was recorded/used by FB to create a tailored ad.
I have my FB microphone turned off though. Also disabled "Hey Siri"
where does it say that turning off hey siri prevents it from recording anything?

twing

5,019 posts

132 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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Blown2CV said:
twing said:
ReverendCounter said:
twing said:
That's a hell of a coinsidence.
It's not, your conversation was recorded/used by FB to create a tailored ad.
I have my FB microphone turned off though. Also disabled "Hey Siri"
where does it say that turning off hey siri prevents it from recording anything?
I just assumed that with it on your phone must be listening all the time but switched off it won't. So if it's always listening/recording we effectively have a wire tap on our phones, scary stuff.

Blown2CV

28,852 posts

204 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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twing said:
Blown2CV said:
twing said:
ReverendCounter said:
twing said:
That's a hell of a coinsidence.
It's not, your conversation was recorded/used by FB to create a tailored ad.
I have my FB microphone turned off though. Also disabled "Hey Siri"
where does it say that turning off hey siri prevents it from recording anything?
I just assumed that with it on your phone must be listening all the time but switched off it won't. So if it's always listening/recording we effectively have a wire tap on our phones, scary stuff.
we do and it is!

AstonZagato

12,712 posts

211 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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"What Orwell failed to predict is that we'd buy the cameras ourselves, and that our biggest fear would be that nobody was watching."

tenohfive

6,276 posts

183 months

Friday 12th January 2018
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twing said:
Just been chatting about old Gameboys and similar things we have in the cupboard at home. Logged into FB and loe and behold an advert for a Nintendo DS light. That's a hell of a coinsidence.
I find myself looking at a lot of these posts and wondering what came first - the random conversation, or the marketing. We get bombarded with adverts and tune 99% of them out as they aren't relevant to us, only the ones that either somehow stand out or are in the forefront of our minds get noticed. But the rest are still there, quietly percolating in the background and may well pop out because - having barely noticed an ad - we getting chatting about that very subject. Second time round, it jumps out. And gets called Facebook mic snooping.

Just a theory mind.

Blown2CV

28,852 posts

204 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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question is what does facebook do when it hears you talking about facebook mic snooping?

V8mate

45,899 posts

190 months

Saturday 13th January 2018
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Blown2CV said:
question is what does facebook do when it hears you talking about facebook mic snooping?
Blush.

MissChief

7,112 posts

169 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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Surely we need a group to suddenly start talking about something completely unrelated to anything they've looked at or searched for before, but not look these things up on social media or facebook.

let's say:
Haggis
Communism
Virgin Galactic spaceflight
Considering an MG as your next new car/lease (because no one from this forum would)

AstonZagato

12,712 posts

211 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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Haggis isn’t very sensible as it is Burn’s night in a couple of weeks - sort of the only time that random adverts for haggis might get some traction.

BaronVonVaderham

2,317 posts

148 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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tenohfive said:
I find myself looking at a lot of these posts and wondering what came first - the random conversation, or the marketing. We get bombarded with adverts and tune 99% of them out as they aren't relevant to us, only the ones that either somehow stand out or are in the forefront of our minds get noticed. But the rest are still there, quietly percolating in the background and may well pop out because - having barely noticed an ad - we getting chatting about that very subject. Second time round, it jumps out. And gets called Facebook mic snooping.

Just a theory mind.
Exactly, many cases of heightened perception here.

Blown2CV

28,852 posts

204 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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MissChief said:
Surely we need a group to suddenly start talking about something completely unrelated to anything they've looked at or searched for before, but not look these things up on social media or facebook.

let's say:
Haggis
Communism
Virgin Galactic spaceflight
Considering an MG as your next new car/lease (because no one from this forum would)
male incontinence pants

TonyRPH

12,977 posts

169 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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BaronVonVaderham said:
Exactly, many cases of heightened perception here.
That's as maybe, but I've had first hand experience of this happening myself.

The only explanation I can offer is that the conversation was overheard.

There is no other explanation.


tenohfive

6,276 posts

183 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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TonyRPH said:
That's as maybe, but I've had first hand experience of this happening myself.

The only explanation I can offer is that the conversation was overheard.

There is no other explanation.
What's the scenario? I went back a couple of pages but can't see your post on the subject.

CoolHands

18,672 posts

196 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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Although it’s fun reading this thread, personally I don’t think it does listen to conversations and act on them in any way. I believe it just joins up lots of dots of online activity, and hence why you get targeted ads that you can’t understand how it ‘knows’ something.

TonyRPH

12,977 posts

169 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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tenohfive said:
TonyRPH said:
That's as maybe, but I've had first hand experience of this happening myself.

The only explanation I can offer is that the conversation was overheard.

There is no other explanation.
What's the scenario? I went back a couple of pages but can't see your post on the subject.
Wife out in car with son, son has iPhone with Siri enabled (also has Facebook) - he has denied access to microphone though.

They were discussing a particular item - wife gets home and adverts for said item on Facebook appear within minutes of logging in.

He doesn't live with us, so no shared internet connection.

Another instance; wife and I discussing item, next day she has adverts for said item on Facebook...

However... she *doesn't* even have FB on her phone (Microsoft Lumia) and neither do I - I do however have an Android phone with all the Google stuff (but almost everything disabled AFAIK).

We have been doing some random tests, but nothing conclusive yet..

Only other thing we have is an Amazon FireTV with the voice enabled blue tooth remote - I now remove the batteries on that when we're not using the FireTV.

Some of this might be coincidence - but as I said - we have an ongoing test to see what we get, based on deliberate discussions we have.

But I'm currently well in the camp of believing that keywords are "heard" and being made use of.



tenohfive

6,276 posts

183 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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So, can you actually be sure that you weren't seeing adverts about those things beforehand (in amongst the millions of marketing images you see on a daily basis)?

I think it's possible that you were talking about it precisely because without realising that you'd seen the adverts, the back of your brain has taken some note of it. But even if you haven't - one day, you see an advert for a fridge and ignore it. The next day you're talking about buying a fridge. Then you see the same advert and properly notice it in the front of your brain.

Does anyone else notice how when you decide what your next car is going to be (assuming it's something 'everday' and non-PH) you see 3 million of them on the roads, when the day before you might have thought of it as being less common?

Perhaps I've just been watching too much Derren Brown.

TonyRPH

12,977 posts

169 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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I have stringent ad blocking and anti tracking (via DNS) on my home network (although blocking FB adverts is not possible / very difficult with my methods).

I very, very rarely use my phone for internet off my home network (if at all) - and simply don't use it at home at all.

The O/H uses hers for banking only, and even then, very, very rarely, and again never uses it at home.

Cookies are regularly cleared on all devices.

My point here is that apart from Facebook, we very rarely see online adverts, and hence don't even get the associated cookies.

Therefore it's highly unlikely that any association has been made through web browser traffic.

Which brings me to the conclusion that the only any information can be gleaned is via listening....


V8mate

45,899 posts

190 months

Sunday 14th January 2018
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TonyRPH said:
Which brings me to the conclusion that the only any information can be gleaned is via listening....
How can FB be listening if you don't even have it installed?