Google Pixel smartphone

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Funk

26,294 posts

210 months

Thursday 6th October 2016
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If sales of the priciest phones are slow, Google will discount them soon enough.

But at these prices, I'm out.

doogle83

760 posts

148 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Funk said:
If sales of the priciest phones are slow, Google will discount them soon enough.

But at these prices, I'm out.
Think you're probably right, and then give Play Store credit back to early adopters so they don't feel done.

ZesPak

24,432 posts

197 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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NiceCupOfTea said:
Would love one but 128gb 6P has been unavailable for a while. Don't want to 64gb, not enough frown
You're right, see the 32GB everywhere but no 128GB.

I went for the 32GB and with all those high Q vids and photos. have had to backup them after half a year as I was running out of space (also some music on there).
My next phone would be 64GB or expandable storage.

Alex

9,975 posts

285 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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ZesPak said:
You're right, see the 32GB everywhere but no 128GB.
My 6P is the 128GB. I gritted my teeth at the price and pre-ordered it from new. I'm glad I did, although if phones had SD card slots, it wouldn't be an issue.

Funk

26,294 posts

210 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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ZesPak said:
NiceCupOfTea said:
Would love one but 128gb 6P has been unavailable for a while. Don't want to 64gb, not enough frown
You're right, see the 32GB everywhere but no 128GB.

I went for the 32GB and with all those high Q vids and photos. have had to backup them after half a year as I was running out of space (also some music on there).
My next phone would be 64GB or expandable storage.
It's paradoxical that they trumpet things like 4K video recording and then put in (non-expandable) storage capacities which are way too small. After the OS is factored in you normally have ~25Gb user space on a 32Gb device. With memory so cheap it's also taking the piss somewhat to charge £100+ to add 96Gb when with an SD card you can add 128Gb for as little as £60 or 200Gb for ~£80.

It also annoys me that certain colours aren't available in certain regions - I like the blue but you can't get it in the UK.


durbster

10,277 posts

223 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Don't know what you're all moaning about - I've got a 16Gb phone and it's fine biggrin

At first it meant I was forced to do a bit of housekeeping but everything just gets automatically backed up remotely now (which is a good discipline for a device that is extremely nickable/loseable/breakable).

skinnyman

1,641 posts

94 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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After dismissing this phone as a bit 'meh' and too expensive, I decided to have a look on the carphonewarehouse website, to discover that this is actually £5/mth less on the same tariff as I'm paying now for my Nexus 5X, although with a £99 upfront charge.

Problem is, my contract runs until Oct 2017, and cancelling now costs an additional £360. Doh

shalmaneser

5,936 posts

196 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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weeboot said:
s2kjock said:
I have been holding off replacing my Nexus 4 until this was officially released.

At £399 I might have gone for it but £599 is bonkers. Back to the drawing board for a replacement for me frown
OnePlus 3 @ £329 makes a whole heap of sense.
I need a new phone and was holding out for the Pixel just out of interest - but those prices are silly I'll just get a OnePlus 3 as you say.

NiceCupOfTea

25,289 posts

252 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Other thing about non removeable storage of any capacity is that utter ball ache it is to backup. Time consuming and can be crashy in my experience over Wifi. Compared with just swapping out a microSD card...

durbster

10,277 posts

223 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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NiceCupOfTea said:
Other thing about non removeable storage of any capacity is that utter ball ache it is to backup. Time consuming and can be crashy in my experience over Wifi. Compared with just swapping out a microSD card...
How so?

If I take a photo it backs up to either Box, Dropbox or Google Photos, and also to my NAS at home. All of which happens automatically so I don't need to think about it.

Most other stuff (apps, contacts etc.) is stored in my Google account, so the only stuff I have to backup manually is odd things like my fuel tracker app and notes, all of which can be done with Dropbox.

There are loads of brilliant automated backup solutions now for Android - I don't think storage needs to be an issue these days.

NiceCupOfTea

25,289 posts

252 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Last time I looked, backup was awful on Android - Sprite Backup & MyBackup both letting me down in my hours of need. Photos backed up by Google but IIRC they are not at full resolution/quality.

.Adam.

1,822 posts

264 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Looking at Google Photos webpage, you get unlimited backup of photos and video up to 16mp and 1080p.

NiceCupOfTea

25,289 posts

252 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Hmm, maybe I need to look again then...!

rpguk

4,465 posts

285 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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There is a setting in google photos that allows you to choose between full resolution images (which count towards your storage) or limited resolution which is unlimited for free (for now at least).

The storage is pretty cheap though, I think I pay about $2 a month for 100Gb.

.Adam.

1,822 posts

264 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Just checked the settings on my phone, and the original size setting counts towards your storage quota, which is 15gb on mine, which I don't pay for, so sounds like it is different from what it says on the Google Photos webpage.

durbster

10,277 posts

223 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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It's worth considering the price of storage on the phone against cloud storage.

If you buy the 128Gb version of the Pixel it'll cost you £100 more, so let's say £50 per year over typical ownership.

Whereas 100Gb of Google storage is £1.60 per month, so about £20 per year.

Dropbox and Box start at 1Tb (for about £80 per year) so are not really comparable for this.

Is there any advantage in storing your stuff long-term on the phone itself?

paranoid airbag

2,679 posts

160 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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durbster said:
It's worth considering the price of storage on the phone against cloud storage.

If you buy the 128Gb version of the Pixel it'll cost you £100 more, so let's say £50 per year over typical ownership.

Whereas 100Gb of Google storage is £1.60 per month, so about £20 per year.

Dropbox and Box start at 1Tb (for about £80 per year) so are not really comparable for this.

Is there any advantage in storing your stuff long-term on the phone itself?
Yes.

I can get it for one.

For two, hackers and advertisers can't.

For three, I'm not completely dependent on somebody else finding it profitable to store my stuff in perpetuity.

It's really fking simple.

The question I'm asking is: why, when sufficient storage is closer to £50 retail, does anyone have any interest in not having it? You're paying >£500 for a phone, and you're telling me it's too expensive? Bullst.

Edited by paranoid airbag on Friday 7th October 19:17

durbster

10,277 posts

223 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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paranoid airbag said:
Yes.

I can get it for one.

For two, hackers and advertisers can't.

For three, I'm not completely dependent on somebody else finding it profitable to store my stuff in perpetuity.

It's really fking simple.

The question I'm asking is: why, when sufficient storage is closer to £50 retail, does anyone have any interest in not having it? You're paying >£500 for a phone, and you're telling me it's too expensive? Bullst.

Edited by paranoid airbag on Friday 7th October 19:17
I can understand wanting to avoid paid services - that's one reason I back up to a NAS instead. Not sure why you're so angry about it though. cool

Don't you back anything up? At some point you need to get that stuff off the phone, or you risk losing it all in one go.

And you should have offsite backup too, ideally.

You can do that manually by writing it to a hard drive / disc and keeping at the mother-in-law's, but it takes time and faff, and you have periods without sufficient backup. So you're potentially £100 and several hours worse off with that solution.

Personally, I am a tight git so can think of many better ways of spending £100. smile

plasticpig

12,932 posts

226 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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Funk said:
It's paradoxical that they trumpet things like 4K video recording and then put in (non-expandable) storage capacities which are way too small. After the OS is factored in you normally have ~25Gb user space on a 32Gb device. With memory so cheap it's also taking the piss somewhat to charge £100+ to add 96Gb when with an SD card you can add 128Gb for as little as £60 or 200Gb for ~£80.

It also annoys me that certain colours aren't available in certain regions - I like the blue but you can't get it in the UK.
Your comparing apples with oranges. The Pixel uses UFS memory for internal storage. That has a sequential read speed of around 500 mb/s. The SD card in your link is 90 mb/s. sequential read speed. More importantly from an application perspective the random read speed for UFS is 15 times faster than an SD card and random write is 20 x faster.

Funk

26,294 posts

210 months

Friday 7th October 2016
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plasticpig said:
Funk said:
It's paradoxical that they trumpet things like 4K video recording and then put in (non-expandable) storage capacities which are way too small. After the OS is factored in you normally have ~25Gb user space on a 32Gb device. With memory so cheap it's also taking the piss somewhat to charge £100+ to add 96Gb when with an SD card you can add 128Gb for as little as £60 or 200Gb for ~£80.

It also annoys me that certain colours aren't available in certain regions - I like the blue but you can't get it in the UK.
Your comparing apples with oranges. The Pixel uses UFS memory for internal storage. That has a sequential read speed of around 500 mb/s. The SD card in your link is 90 mb/s. sequential read speed. More importantly from an application perspective the random read speed for UFS is 15 times faster than an SD card and random write is 20 x faster.
The bulk storage doesn't need to be the fast stuff.