The MK Safety plug

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Brother D

3,720 posts

176 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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formula27 said:
OldGermanHeaps said:
As far as electricity is concerned all things being equal, moisture, salinity, distance, area in contact with the source etc then due to ohms law as voltage increases current flow increases in relation so with 240v applied a lot more current flows through you than at 55v, and its the current flow that harms you, voltage doesn't really harm you from a current limited source, you can be zapped with 100000v and just feel a tickle as long as there isn't much current available, but in terms of a supply which has enough grunt to kill you lower voltage = lower current frowing through your bodies fixed resistance = safer.
Correct , well done .

So (always a so with me)

We (UK) dont have the safest system in the world.
As for the plugs
As this thread , a lot of people dont know how to wire them safely and what fuses to use.

Ring mains ,PME ,230 V , plugs that lay pins up , and rewirable fuses.all unecesary, and. Cost related rather than safety.

So what is the safest system in the world? It's definately not the abysmal US that's for sure...

anonymous-user

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54 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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AlexC1981 said:
OP, I was just putting away some 80s computers I had out and I thought you might appreciate a group shot.

An excentlly excellent selection there if I may say so. I also have some of the type on the far right.of your picture.
Thank you for sharing

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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dhutch said:
Excellent.

My parents still have similar period and likely brand miniature tree lights, used annually on the tree, but as they away where; turned off unless someone is in the room with them. These days we also often put an LED set on as well, which giving out less heat is likely safer to leave on unattended.

As a child I also grew up with a set of Pifco coloured outdoor lights, substantially made rubber cabled set using the 'olive' shape miniature candle MES bulbs which would have been new at around my birth, and that through my teens become increasingly unreliable as the rubber seals perished and the internals corroded. These were replaced with a new direct replacement set but the quality was awful and the only did a few seasons. They are not on the generic 'indoor outdoor' LED string lights which a cheap and chips but only last a few years, give a very different look and feel, and tend to flash/chase unless you ask them very nicely indeed to not do that! The only other option appears to the much larger industrial type festoon lights with either golf ball or gls bulbs.

To me these 'vintage' sets are still what tree lights should look like, a lovely warm light, delicate in size, but also well spaced so when wrap they appear as individual lights rather than a string of lights.



In 2006 a friend of ours bought several sets of lights from Wilko's (Wilkinsons). There were 3 sets one plain and 2 coloured to go on his outside tree. Amsusingly when I popped round I found him busy unscrewing and screwing in bulbs.
Turned out his wife didn't like the colour mix as seen from the roadside and his job was to make sure that an even almost symmetrical pattern was in view

The quality of the bulbs so good that I bought t some myself . Whats great is that they have a thin jack style connection that can go through a wall easily enough. So we have some rigid plastic tubes that fit through holes drilled in the wall.
Throughout the year they are fitted with a bung type plug but at Xmas the lights are taken outside and draped round the tree in the lawn then the plugs fed through into the transformers and the lights are in full swing


Gary C

12,441 posts

179 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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techiedave said:
AlexC1981 said:
OP, I was just putting away some 80s computers I had out and I thought you might appreciate a group shot.

An excentlly excellent selection there if I may say so. I also have some of the type on the far right.of your picture.
Thank you for sharing
I'm more interested in the things at the other end. Pics please.

(I too have a few 80's computers, A 3032 PET, TRS-80 IV,C64,ZX81,Spectrum,BBC B, DEC MicroVAX3100,Vax4000,Vax3300, Amstrad 8512, Tatung einstein, Apple II)
wink

Gary C

12,441 posts

179 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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Brother D said:
formula27 said:
OldGermanHeaps said:
As far as electricity is concerned all things being equal, moisture, salinity, distance, area in contact with the source etc then due to ohms law as voltage increases current flow increases in relation so with 240v applied a lot more current flows through you than at 55v, and its the current flow that harms you, voltage doesn't really harm you from a current limited source, you can be zapped with 100000v and just feel a tickle as long as there isn't much current available, but in terms of a supply which has enough grunt to kill you lower voltage = lower current frowing through your bodies fixed resistance = safer.
Correct , well done .

So (always a so with me)

We (UK) dont have the safest system in the world.
As for the plugs
As this thread , a lot of people dont know how to wire them safely and what fuses to use.

Ring mains ,PME ,230 V , plugs that lay pins up , and rewirable fuses.all unecesary, and. Cost related rather than safety.

So what is the safest system in the world? It's definately not the abysmal US that's for sure...
One thing it doesn't consider is heating effect that lower voltages therefore the higher currents required. Contact resistance heating and fires can become a significant risk on low voltage high current systems.

Centre tapped 110V used in industrial settings with the fully enclosed plugs and sockets stand up to a lot of abuse, provide enough to power heavy hand machine tools, yet only deliver 55v shock. It does work well.

(the fact it reduced the number of thefts of power tools, im sure had nothing to do with its uptake)

Morningside

24,110 posts

229 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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techiedave said:
dhutch said:
Excellent.

My parents still have similar period and likely brand miniature tree lights, used annually on the tree, but as they away where; turned off unless someone is in the room with them. These days we also often put an LED set on as well, which giving out less heat is likely safer to leave on unattended.

As a child I also grew up with a set of Pifco coloured outdoor lights, substantially made rubber cabled set using the 'olive' shape miniature candle MES bulbs which would have been new at around my birth, and that through my teens become increasingly unreliable as the rubber seals perished and the internals corroded. These were replaced with a new direct replacement set but the quality was awful and the only did a few seasons. They are not on the generic 'indoor outdoor' LED string lights which a cheap and chips but only last a few years, give a very different look and feel, and tend to flash/chase unless you ask them very nicely indeed to not do that! The only other option appears to the much larger industrial type festoon lights with either golf ball or gls bulbs.

To me these 'vintage' sets are still what tree lights should look like, a lovely warm light, delicate in size, but also well spaced so when wrap they appear as individual lights rather than a string of lights.



In 2006 a friend of ours bought several sets of lights from Wilko's (Wilkinsons). There were 3 sets one plain and 2 coloured to go on his outside tree. Amsusingly when I popped round I found him busy unscrewing and screwing in bulbs.
Turned out his wife didn't like the colour mix as seen from the roadside and his job was to make sure that an even almost symmetrical pattern was in view

The quality of the bulbs so good that I bought t some myself . Whats great is that they have a thin jack style connection that can go through a wall easily enough. So we have some rigid plastic tubes that fit through holes drilled in the wall.
Throughout the year they are fitted with a bung type plug but at Xmas the lights are taken outside and draped round the tree in the lawn then the plugs fed through into the transformers and the lights are in full swing
My parents had the low power lamps in the shapes of houses, Christmas trees, Santa etc. Very thick and heavy construction each one painted and it was a shame when the filament went as you had to chuck it out. . I'm sure they are worth a fortune now.

gregs656

10,886 posts

181 months

Monday 2nd December 2019
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Anyone doing car boots should keep a weathered eye out for boxed vintage christmas lights. I used to buy them all year round and sell them over Christmas. Good money in them.

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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Gents.
I have just come across a website that is like all my yesterdays

https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/plugs_13...

Scroll down the plugs listed in the left margin and lose yourself in the nostalgia

JustALooseScrew

1,154 posts

67 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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techiedave said:
Gents.
I have just come across a website that is like all my yesterdays

https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/plugs_13...

Scroll down the plugs listed in the left margin and lose yourself in the nostalgia
Glorious!

I can remember as a kid going to Woolworths and buying something similar to one of these:

https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/plugs_13...

Remember those post terminals? And having to thread the cable through the cover ingress - and forgetting and having to cut it?

Interestingly as part of my O-Level design back in the early 80s we had to do some course work based up MK plugs and sockets, you know draw one in a front/side elevation and top down view and comment on the design features.

My parents were not quite sure what to think when they arrived home one night and I had the plug taken off the iron and on the kitchen table, fully dissembled and I was measuring all the bits with one of those coloured 'Shatter Resistant' rulers that were popular back then.

smile

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

54 months

Tuesday 3rd December 2019
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I do indeed remember that type of plug.

Funnily enough I also have some of the MK safety plugs with the retailers name on them. 2 of the Granada symbol

andygo

6,804 posts

255 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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This is a neat plug I got with a recent iphone:










Bone Rat

362 posts

163 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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techiedave said:
Gents.
I have just come across a website that is like all my yesterdays

https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/plugs_13...

Scroll down the plugs listed in the left margin and lose yourself in the nostalgia
Thanks for that,

Brought back childhood memories of trying to get things to work with a Wylex plug.

Odd design with central earth and 2 lateral terminals. Stemmed from 1920s and were obsolete and rare even in the 60s. Had to take off plugs from something else if you bought a new plaything. Learnt to wire plugs at 10 out of frustration...

Halmyre

11,199 posts

139 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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JustALooseScrew said:
techiedave said:
Gents.
I have just come across a website that is like all my yesterdays

https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/plugs_13...

Scroll down the plugs listed in the left margin and lose yourself in the nostalgia
Glorious!

I can remember as a kid going to Woolworths and buying something similar to one of these:

https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/plugs_13...

Remember those post terminals? And having to thread the cable through the cover ingress - and forgetting and having to cut it?
Oh yes. Cursing and swearing trying to wrap the bare wire round the post and screw it down without it unravelling and escaping. And then finding the cover lying on the table laughing at you - "hey, you forgot to thread me on first! Ha ha, loser!"


dhutch

14,388 posts

197 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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Bone Rat said:
Brought back childhood memories ... .... Had to take off plugs from something else if you bought a new plaything. Learnt to wire plugs at 10 ...
Absolutely. I was born in 1987, so 32, and I very much remember things arriving without a plug. Some things had a moulded plug, including the non-captive fig-8 c7 lead on my radio, but a lot also arrived with no plug, which today would be considered madness.


Daniel

Gary C

12,441 posts

179 months

Wednesday 4th December 2019
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JustALooseScrew said:
techiedave said:
Gents.
I have just come across a website that is like all my yesterdays

https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/plugs_13...

Scroll down the plugs listed in the left margin and lose yourself in the nostalgia
Glorious!

I can remember as a kid going to Woolworths and buying something similar to one of these:

https://www.flameport.com/electric_museum/plugs_13...

Remember those post terminals? And having to thread the cable through the cover ingress - and forgetting and having to cut it?

Interestingly as part of my O-Level design back in the early 80s we had to do some course work based up MK plugs and sockets, you know draw one in a front/side elevation and top down view and comment on the design features.

My parents were not quite sure what to think when they arrived home one night and I had the plug taken off the iron and on the kitchen table, fully dissembled and I was measuring all the bits with one of those coloured 'Shatter Resistant' rulers that were popular back then.

smile
Got one of those at home, think its on the strimmer smile

AlexC1981

4,923 posts

217 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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Gary C said:
I'm more interested in the things at the other end. Pics please.

(I too have a few 80's computers, A 3032 PET, TRS-80 IV,C64,ZX81,Spectrum,BBC B, DEC MicroVAX3100,Vax4000,Vax3300, Amstrad 8512, Tatung einstein, Apple II)
wink
That's an interesting collection you have there. Those plugs were on a Toshiba HX-10 + tape drive, Atari STe and a Spectrum 128 +2.

I've got a few pics. I'm sure techiedave wont mind the intrusion on his thread smile

I made some stickers for the Speccy to cover up some scratches on the case.



Photo of my C64 when I first bought it and one after restoration. Bonus shot of the busted plug it came with. You can see where it had been arcing and burnt the inside brown.








Gary C

12,441 posts

179 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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AlexC1981 said:
Gary C said:
I'm more interested in the things at the other end. Pics please.

(I too have a few 80's computers, A 3032 PET, TRS-80 IV,C64,ZX81,Spectrum,BBC B, DEC MicroVAX3100,Vax4000,Vax3300, Amstrad 8512, Tatung einstein, Apple II)
wink
That's an interesting collection you have there. Those plugs were on a Toshiba HX-10 + tape drive, Atari STe and a Spectrum 128 +2.

I've got a few pics. I'm sure techiedave wont mind the intrusion on his thread smile

I made some stickers for the Speccy to cover up some scratches on the case.



Photo of my C64 when I first bought it and one after restoration. Bonus shot of the busted plug it came with. You can see where it had been arcing and burnt the inside brown.



smile

Super Josh

99 posts

219 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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AlexC1981 said:
That looks great after the restoration biggrin

What's the SD to 1541 adapter like? Do you miss the 'Schnerp' 'Schnerp' sound of the disk drive?


Cheers,

Josh

miniman

24,956 posts

262 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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AlexC1981 said:
That's an interesting collection you have there. Those plugs were on a Toshiba HX-10 + tape drive, Atari STe and a Spectrum 128 +2.

I've got a few pics. I'm sure techiedave wont mind the intrusion on his thread smile

I made some stickers for the Speccy to cover up some scratches on the case.



Photo of my C64 when I first bought it and one after restoration. Bonus shot of the busted plug it came with. You can see where it had been arcing and burnt the inside brown.



Fab, I had the Spectrum +3 and (annoyingly) the Commodore +4

The Speccy disk drive was continually bust, requiring repair. Until I figured that simply dropping it from an inch above the desk sorted it. Which was probably what the repairer did hehe

AlexC1981

4,923 posts

217 months

Thursday 5th December 2019
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We only had the tape drive when I was growing up and I don't miss that!

The SD adapter works really well, especially with a fast load cartridge. Looking forward to playing some games over Christmas.