Dell XPS or Mac book pro

[anonymous-user]

This thread stopped being useful a long time ago

[dmsims]

That's it ?? - the SOGA applies to any laptop

Onsite service ?
(not the stty Apple "service" - make an appointment, if you get one any time soon, get to the store, wait x number of days to be fixed, go the store to collect)

The faults list from 2 Macbooks:

Screen
LVDS cable
Logic board
Ram module
Hard disk
Hinges
Batteries
Chargers - numerous - these are utter ste
Corrupt OS - complete reinstall

and the 2009 one won't upgrade to Sierra!

Windows has come a long way and since 7 has been pretty solid

jamoor said:

dmsims said:

Not for laptops they aren't

I'd say they are, my laptop went faulty 2 years out of warranty and it was repaired for free.

Another thing is the ease of backup and migrating to a new machine.

I replaced my macbook last, I just put the 2 machines next to each other and clicked a few buttons. A few hours later I just carried on with my new machine.
Similar with time machine backups, they just backup to my nas without any intervention or additional software.

If you have to do a new install on an apple machine, the OS is just downloaded through your internet connection, no pen drives or DVDroms.

IMO most of the problem with non Apple laptops is the Windows operating system that they all seem to come with. Noone seems to have an answer for the torrenting updates that they do, the random updates and reboots. It's just a poor quality product.

You also get a bunch of free or cheap software such as final cut, garageband etc.
Your machines software is also updated for as long as possible, in the old days you had to pay for an update to windows whereas mac users got it included in the price of the machine, forever. Who knows that microsoft are planning now with win 10.

Edited by jamoor on Friday 21st April 00:07

[jamoor]

dmsims said:

That's it ?? - the SOGA applies to any laptop

Onsite service ?
(not the stty Apple "service" - make an appointment, if you get one any time soon, get to the store, wait x number of days to be fixed, go the store to collect)

The faults list from 2 Macbooks:

Screen
LVDS cable
Logic board
Ram module
Hard disk
Hinges
Batteries
Chargers - numerous - these are utter ste
Corrupt OS - complete reinstall

and the 2009 one won't upgrade to Sierra!

Windows has come a long way and since 7 has been pretty solid

jamoor said:

dmsims said:

Not for laptops they aren't

I'd say they are, my laptop went faulty 2 years out of warranty and it was repaired for free.

Another thing is the ease of backup and migrating to a new machine.

I replaced my macbook last, I just put the 2 machines next to each other and clicked a few buttons. A few hours later I just carried on with my new machine.
Similar with time machine backups, they just backup to my nas without any intervention or additional software.

If you have to do a new install on an apple machine, the OS is just downloaded through your internet connection, no pen drives or DVDroms.

IMO most of the problem with non Apple laptops is the Windows operating system that they all seem to come with. Noone seems to have an answer for the torrenting updates that they do, the random updates and reboots. It's just a poor quality product.

You also get a bunch of free or cheap software such as final cut, garageband etc.
Your machines software is also updated for as long as possible, in the old days you had to pay for an update to windows whereas mac users got it included in the price of the machine, forever. Who knows that microsoft are planning now with win 10.

Edited by jamoor on Friday 21st April 00:07

Seems like you had bad luck, my 4 year old MBP just had the one fault.

SOGA isn't applicable if you bought it used or abroad etc (I bought mine in Hong Kong).

Also windows 10 - just no. I've used 7 at work and it hasn't improved at all since then. This is before we get to all the viruses and malware malarky if it still is an issue on windows machines.

Edited by jamoor on Friday 21st April 04:37

[Murph7355]

jamoor said:

...
Also windows 10 - just no. I've used 7 at work and it hasn't improved at all since then. This is before we get to all the viruses and malware malarky if it still is an issue on windows machines.
...

Thus far I've had no issues of note, and none whatsoever wrt viruses and malware. I suspect the latter is a combination of me being inherently careful (most issues IMO are down to people clicking without thinking) and Windows Defender integration being significantly better than AV software used to be on Windows.

The differences between the OS's really isn't that great these days, and there are pros and cons to both.

(btw, ref Mac Minis to whoever posted they were similar prices to PC equivalents...they never have been. They've always been a lot more expensive. However I've had mine for a long time now and they get a fair bit of hammer - one as a media centre, one a ripping machine/Plex server/general workhorse and one for desktop work activity. I like them a lot, but they're not what you'd call "value end" machines ).

[Nardiola]

mikef said:

A few different scenarios

1. Your employer will provide a MacBook Pro (that's where my other half's comes from, as did my last one) - everywhere I have worked that offers that choice, nearly everyone goes for the Mac (and the ones that don't are more likely to want to run Linux on a Dell XPS than Windows)
2. Your employer provides a Windows machine but operates a BYOD policy - again, where I have worked a surprising number of people will pay for their own Mac rather than use the free company Windows lappy
3. You're an IT contractor, in which case the Mac is likely to cost one or two percent of your annual fee income and your laptop is the primary tool of your trade, plus if you're on the UK flat rate VAT scheme (I know, that's pretty much a dead duck), you could get the VAT back once the price hit 2K
4. It's for home use - your money, your choice; if you can afford it, go for it (like cars in that sense)

I'd go along with this:

My client provides me with a MacBook Pro (late 2016) as my main device
My company provides me with a Windows Device (Lenovo Yoga) which I don't use, as they operate BYOD.
I use my personal Mac for both BYOD and personal stuff

[jetbox]

Sooooooooooooo

:-)

Back to my original question.

I am so confused now. Reading between the lines of all the posts, I don't see there is much material difference in performance. It comes down to the badge, and how it handles, much like a car I guess

[jamoor]

jetbox said:

Sooooooooooooo

:-)

Back to my original question.

I am so confused now. Reading between the lines of all the posts, I don't see there is much material difference in performance. It comes down to the badge, and how it handles, much like a car I guess

I'd say specifications, the performance can vary depending on the OS you install on each.

[menguin]

For your use - there is no difference between the two. Make the choice based on your preference - priority of budget, looks, kudos from sitting in Starbucks with your Mac and beard, etc.

[ZesPak]

jamoor said:

I'd say specifications, the performance can vary depending on the OS you install on each.

Could you elaborate? From everything I've found there's very little in it, unless you're missing decent drivers (Linux) are talk about gaming (Direct X)?

[Murph7355]

menguin said:

For your use - there is no difference between the two. Make the choice based on your preference - priority of budget, looks, kudos from sitting in Starbucks with your Mac and beard, etc.

This.

You can ignore the rest

[jamoor]

ZesPak said:

Could you elaborate? From everything I've found there's very little in it, unless you're missing decent drivers (Linux) are talk about gaming (Direct X)?

Installing an OS such as windows that is riddled with spyware and torrents updates to other users is more likely to use more resources than something without that jazz, such as ubuntu.

[ZesPak]

jamoor said:

Installing an OS such as windows that is riddled with spyware and torrents updates to other users is more likely to use more resources than something without that jazz, such as ubuntu.

You'd think that.
Until you check the benchmarks...

But I've got the feeling numbers won't help here.

[zippy3x]

jamoor said:

I'd say they are, my laptop went faulty 2 years out of warranty and it was repaired for free.

Another thing is the ease of backup and migrating to a new machine.

I replaced my macbook last, I just put the 2 machines next to each other and clicked a few buttons. A few hours later I just carried on with my new machine.
Similar with time machine backups, they just backup to my nas without any intervention or additional software.

If you have to do a new install on an apple machine, the OS is just downloaded through your internet connection, no pen drives or DVDroms.

IMO most of the problem with non Apple laptops is the Windows operating system that they all seem to come with. Noone seems to have an answer for the torrenting updates that they do, the random updates and reboots. It's just a poor quality product.

You also get a bunch of free or cheap software such as final cut, garageband etc.

Edited by jamoor on Friday 21st April 00:07

I was going to let this go, so as to not further derail the thread, but seeing as you keep posting st, I'm going to respond.

The first half of your post is just generic drivel, all of those things are available on PC with Windows.

Then from the Apple reality distortion field to talking rubbish.

I assume by "torrenting updates" you mean the feature where one PC on a network will download from the internet and then share that update between other machines on the local network? This is both potentially useful to those on a metered network, and as far as "no one has an answer" to these "torrents" I assume you mean they can't be turned off?
Actually they are turned off with a single option in the settings.

"Update & Security | Advanced Options | Choose how update are delivered" - Turn button off - even you can cope with that surely?

and finally from talking rubbish to downright lies.

jamoor said:

Your machines software is also updated for as long as possible, in the old days you had to pay for an update to windows whereas mac users got it included in the price of the machine, forever. Who knows that microsoft are planning now with win 10.

The truth is the polar opposite, macs have planned obsolescence built in. The mac mini I talked about earlier cannot be updated past Snow Leopard (iirc) and subsequently cannot now run many modern software packages. (case in point being Kodi) which will not run on Snow Leopard. Turning the steaming pile of turd that is my mac mini into a obsolete steaming pile of turd.
In contrast I have a laptop bought before the mac mini that I initially used to trial insider builds of Windows 10 before it was released. It now sits there happily running Win 10.

[zippy3x]

Murph7355 said:

menguin said:

For your use - there is no difference between the two. Make the choice based on your preference - priority of budget, looks, kudos from sitting in Starbucks with your Mac and beard, etc.

This.

You can ignore the rest

Sorry to the OP for being part of the derailing of this thread, for the record, I would wholeheartedly agree with the comments above

[jamoor]

zippy3x said:

jamoor said:

I'd say they are, my laptop went faulty 2 years out of warranty and it was repaired for free.

Another thing is the ease of backup and migrating to a new machine.

I replaced my macbook last, I just put the 2 machines next to each other and clicked a few buttons. A few hours later I just carried on with my new machine.
Similar with time machine backups, they just backup to my nas without any intervention or additional software.

If you have to do a new install on an apple machine, the OS is just downloaded through your internet connection, no pen drives or DVDroms.

IMO most of the problem with non Apple laptops is the Windows operating system that they all seem to come with. Noone seems to have an answer for the torrenting updates that they do, the random updates and reboots. It's just a poor quality product.

You also get a bunch of free or cheap software such as final cut, garageband etc.

Edited by jamoor on Friday 21st April 00:07

I was going to let this go, so as to not further derail the thread, but seeing as you keep posting st, I'm going to respond.

The first half of your post is just generic drivel, all of those things are available on PC with Windows.

Then from the Apple reality distortion field to talking rubbish.

I assume by "torrenting updates" you mean the feature where one PC on a network will download from the internet and then share that update between other machines on the local network? This is both potentially useful to those on a metered network, and as far as "no one has an answer" to these "torrents" I assume you mean they can't be turned off?
Actually they are turned off with a single option in the settings.

"Update & Security | Advanced Options | Choose how update are delivered" - Turn button off - even you can cope with that surely?

and finally from talking rubbish to downright lies.

jamoor said:

Your machines software is also updated for as long as possible, in the old days you had to pay for an update to windows whereas mac users got it included in the price of the machine, forever. Who knows that microsoft are planning now with win 10.

The truth is the polar opposite, macs have planned obsolescence built in. The mac mini I talked about earlier cannot be updated past Snow Leopard (iirc) and subsequently cannot now run many modern software packages. (case in point being Kodi) which will not run on Snow Leopard. Turning the steaming pile of turd that is my mac mini into a obsolete steaming pile of turd.
In contrast I have a laptop bought before the mac mini that I initially used to trial insider builds of Windows 10 before it was released. It now sits there happily running Win 10.

Is there a backup and restore software built into Windows 10? With shadow copies?


Nope I mean giving it to other people, you can see the option here. It's on by default.

Why is it turned on by default in a place where most people won't even look? Can't you see this is just downright dodgy and makes the company untrustworthy?

If the operating system won't run on your mac mini, is there much point in installing software that won't work properly??

Edited by jamoor on Saturday 22 April 15:19

Edited by jamoor on Saturday 22 April 15:21

Edited by jamoor on Saturday 22 April 15:21

[jamoor]

ZesPak said:

You'd think that.
Until you check the benchmarks...

But I've got the feeling numbers won't help here.

Nope,

Personally I can't believe people are so willing to forgive and forget Microsoft over software packages such as Windows Me and Windows Vista.

[dmsims]

jamoor said:

ZesPak said:

You'd think that.
Until you check the benchmarks...

But I've got the feeling numbers won't help here.

Nope,

Personally I can't believe people are so willing to forgive and forget Microsoft over software packages such as Windows Me and Windows Vista.

and Lisa?

[jamoor]

dmsims said:

and Lisa?

Kind of silly to compare something from 10 years ago to something 30 years ago. I mean hardly anyone had a home desktop 30 years ago...

It's more ridiculous to make a product that's worse than the one that proceeded it. I haven't used windows since Vista, no complaints about XP.

[DoubleByte]

Jesus wept! Stick to the question.

OP - buy whichever floats your boat and has the most appropriate software available at a reasonable price for what you want to do with it.

Look at the screens side by side and try out the keyboards.
If you go Mac then you'll have to learn a load of new crap about how it stores files.

[DennisCooper]

Hi

Just like Bulldong's initial response - I also purchased direct from Dell my current XPS 15. It too was the top end model, touchscreen, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD, 4K screen. I wanted a powerful machine at around that budget/price level for me. It's light and thin which were bonus aspects. I paid just a little less than £1500 as my previous XPS M1710 and other similar purchases going back to 1998 from Dell have been superb for my requirements (The initial laptop I got in 1998, still works, but the casing is all battered!)

When I looked at MacBook Pro equivalent it was around £2700 or so. 5 seconds later I clicked off the page and I also have zero interest in 'learning' to go the Apple way when all I require and need to do can be done on a PC with very very few issues.

As per the response above, go with the choice you would like to go with. if you find you want the Apple machine go for it, chances are most likely you won't see a big or significant improvement in speed/responsiveness to better justify an extra £1000, so comes down to what you want.

I recently wanted a large monitor too, the Apple ones do look nice - but they don't make anything in the sizing I want (40"). I got the Philips 43" 4K one for £550.

Cheers, Dennis!