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Isnt it just the same as the samsung s8? Edge to edge OLED screen etc, dont know if the runours are true about it being a samsung screen on it. Wireless charging is nothing new either, my old s6 used to wireless charge and thats over 2 years old now, without knowing too much about the new iphone looks like typical apple trying to market these features as new. Theyre not new at all! Typical apple marketing drivel by the looks of things
I think the problem is now for all phone companies, not just Apple (never quite understand the Apple bashing) is we have hit a big old buffer with technology and what more can it do currently? I don't think there is a great deal, so they are all scratching around trying to hold something up as new, when there isn't much to go on.
The S8 nor I am sure the iPhone X will make me want to part with my cash to get me away from my iPhone 6, I just don't see the justification too.... I'll just put a new battery in this one for the time being I think, shiny and new they may be, but that feeling won't last, i'll just spend the £1000 on something else.
The S8 nor I am sure the iPhone X will make me want to part with my cash to get me away from my iPhone 6, I just don't see the justification too.... I'll just put a new battery in this one for the time being I think, shiny and new they may be, but that feeling won't last, i'll just spend the £1000 on something else.
Zoon said:
I normally look at my phone when i start using it, so it makes sense.
I know you're being a bit facetious there (or maybe you're not), but there are certainly instances where I'm not looking directly at my phone when I'm using it, like - for example - right now where it's sat on my desk face up. Right now I would unlock with TouchID, check messages & notifications, etc without the camera even seeing my face at all.It is really going to depend on how fast it is and how much of your face it actually needs to see, so I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it, but at the same time TouchID just seems to work brilliantly and flawlessly for me that I don't understand the drive to remove it?
Durzel said:
Zoon said:
I normally look at my phone when i start using it, so it makes sense.
I know you're being a bit facetious there (or maybe you're not), but there are certainly instances where I'm not looking directly at my phone when I'm using it, like - for example - right now where it's sat on my desk face up. Right now I would unlock with TouchID, check messages & notifications, etc without the camera even seeing my face at all.It is really going to depend on how fast it is and how much of your face it actually needs to see, so I'll reserve judgement until I've seen it, but at the same time TouchID just seems to work brilliantly and flawlessly for me that I don't understand the drive to remove it?
MacRumours.com said:
In a series of leaks related to the HomePod firmware that happened earlier in August, a few strings of code suggested that the iPhone X will be able to scan your face even when the device is lying flat on a table. Apple is preparing Face ID to be "quicker, more secure, and more accurate than Touch ID," according to Mark Gurman, and the biometric security feature is expected to be one of the flagship features focused on during the September 12 event keynote.
Zoon said:
Durzel said:
Having to physically hold it up to my face every time I unlock it sounds intuitively like a step backwards.
I normally look at my phone when i start using it, so it makes sense.I had a Lumia 950 with retinal scanning. Worked well enough, but you did have to hold the phone up to your face. I tried it for a bit, but in the end it was more trouble than it was worth.
I understand the Apple system is facial recognition rather than retinal scanning, and if it can scan from far enough away and at acute enough angles then it may work well, but I think I would have preferred fingerprint authentication to continue. Clearly Apple couldn't make it work through the display any better than Samsung could.
I'll be interested to see how Apple spin the facial recognition. Revolutionary new technology, or bodge because they couldn't solve the fingerprint issues.
Durzel said:
Apple have been suffering quite a few leaks lately, another surprise given how much energy they devote to maintaining secrecy... they must have quite a few disgruntled employees nowadays.
Leak... my arse. This is how Apple marketing works. Release tidbits of info the closer they get to launch, to whip up a frenzy of interest.Durzel said:
I'm genuinely surprised they're releasing both an 8, 8+ and X (terrible name imo). I thought they'd go with 7S/7S+ and save the revolutionary stuff for the X.
I guess their logic is that the whole OLED, wireless charging etc functionality is too significant to go with a "S" cycle. It would also tend to suggest that the X isn't going to be a limited edition model, rather like an 8++ ?
Apple have been suffering quite a few leaks lately, another surprise given how much energy they devote to maintaining secrecy... they must have quite a few disgruntled employees nowadays.
I'm also not sure how I feel about losing TouchID and having it replaced with Face Unlock or whatever it's going to be called. Quite often I'll pull my phone out of my jacket, or unlock it whilst it's sat flat on my desk, etc. Having to physically hold it up to my face every time I unlock it sounds intuitively like a step backwards.
I think all the rumours about the 8 are really about the X (I agree, terrible name, Pro would have been better). The 8 will still be a great phone for most people, I imagine it will be the volume seller, rather than the X. I guess their logic is that the whole OLED, wireless charging etc functionality is too significant to go with a "S" cycle. It would also tend to suggest that the X isn't going to be a limited edition model, rather like an 8++ ?
Apple have been suffering quite a few leaks lately, another surprise given how much energy they devote to maintaining secrecy... they must have quite a few disgruntled employees nowadays.
I'm also not sure how I feel about losing TouchID and having it replaced with Face Unlock or whatever it's going to be called. Quite often I'll pull my phone out of my jacket, or unlock it whilst it's sat flat on my desk, etc. Having to physically hold it up to my face every time I unlock it sounds intuitively like a step backwards.
Edited by Durzel on Monday 11th September 11:29
Durzel said:
If the X is $1000 as suggested then it's almost certainly going to be £999 here.
I'm curious to know whether it's going to be a limited edition device or not - i.e. whether it would be available on contract.
It will certainly be available under contract for the simple reason that competition in this space is fierce. Who will dare not offer it and risk losing a lot of customers. The only question being, what will it cost. I suspect a £199 up front. The features are pretty much out there:I'm curious to know whether it's going to be a limited edition device or not - i.e. whether it would be available on contract.
5.8" screen
3GB Ram
A11 chip
water resistant ( more-so than iteration 7)
face recognition
16mp camera
wireless charging
glass over alloy body
I'm more interested in IOS 11
I suspect you'll be lucky to get your hands on one before March 18 unless you want to pay £2.5K for one on eBay
Zoon said:
Burwood said:
I'm more interested in IOS 11
It's not exactly groundbreaking. You really can't tell much difference.
I was pretty pissed when iPhoto got the chop. Took me weeks to get my head around the new photo software (iMac).agree it will have to be available on contract, there are far more people willing to pay £60/70 per month than fork out £1k straight off the bat. I'm expecting it to be £899 or $1000, I don't think they'd be as bold to go $=£ price.
as for all the new features, I'd say they'd almost all be for the 'X', they cant have a 'premium' product, charge more for it, but then have these bits available on a lower model.
I'm really not getting the 'face id' to unlock, as previously mentioned if my phone is lying on my desk and I just tap the buttons to use it, will I now need to pick it up? or will the face id thing work at a shallow angle/ extended distance?!?!!? my bigger concern will be- will it still recognize my face when I'm wearing sunglasses? or a cycling helmet? or in my snowboarding gear? or in the dark? or standing in a pub when I quickly take my phone out to reply to a message or phone someone.... the fingerprint thing has worked brilliantly in these situations. suddenly having to lift the phone so it can see my face will be a pain in the hoop and an extra step I don't want to have to deal with.
as for all the new features, I'd say they'd almost all be for the 'X', they cant have a 'premium' product, charge more for it, but then have these bits available on a lower model.
I'm really not getting the 'face id' to unlock, as previously mentioned if my phone is lying on my desk and I just tap the buttons to use it, will I now need to pick it up? or will the face id thing work at a shallow angle/ extended distance?!?!!? my bigger concern will be- will it still recognize my face when I'm wearing sunglasses? or a cycling helmet? or in my snowboarding gear? or in the dark? or standing in a pub when I quickly take my phone out to reply to a message or phone someone.... the fingerprint thing has worked brilliantly in these situations. suddenly having to lift the phone so it can see my face will be a pain in the hoop and an extra step I don't want to have to deal with.
highly reliable info here https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-8/
I have the facial recognition on my s8+, it is useful sometimes so when your hands are wet and the touchscreen doesnt work 100% correctly. But this is a big but, my hair grows rediculoiusly quickly and I've found it takes take longer to recognise my face when I'm due a haircut. Apples version may be better than this though
Burwood said:
highly reliable info here https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/iphone-8/
MacRumors said:
the iPhone can be unlocked within a few hundred milliseconds and it allegedly works even when the device is lying on a table.
hmmm, not sure I'd call any of that highly reliable.Interesting thought in one of the comments:
So...if the police have your phone and want to unlock it they just point it at your face now?
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