IPhone 8 ?

[Leithen]

plasticpig said:

Leithen said:

However, ARCore was only recently announced after ARKit. So the pissing war can go both ways.

It will all depend on the Apps that are developed. With iOS 11 being deployed to an enormous base, it would be foolish to believe that any clever AR uses won't be targeted at the iPhone to start with. If you are a developer it's all about the numbers and ease of implementation.

ARCore has nothing to do with the phones mentioned. They are Project Tango phones.

[plasticpig]

Leithen said:

Laugh all you want but the two concepts are quite different. Tango is real world depth perception. ARCore is a simulation of depth perception. I was surprised at Apple putting a depth sensing camera on the front of the phone. It would be of far more use on the back and having both would be superb.

[Leithen]

plasticpig said:

Laugh all you want but the two concepts are quite different. Tango is real world depth perception. ARCore is a simulation of depth perception. I was surprised at Apple putting a depth sensing camera on the front of the phone. It would be of far more use on the back and having both would be superb.

Oh, come on, you have to laugh. The alternative is crying given all the crap that is spouted whenever Apple even farts in someone's general direction.

AR is interesting, and might possibly produce a few uses which we look back upon and wonder how we ever coped without. But it's a big might and will only come from developers experimenting and trying crazy stuff.

[plasticpig]

Leithen said:

Oh, come on, you have to laugh. The alternative is crying given all the crap that is spouted whenever Apple even farts in someone's general direction.

AR is interesting, and might possibly produce a few uses which we look back upon and wonder how we ever coped without. But it's a big might and will only come from developers experimenting and trying crazy stuff.

There are some commercial applications for AR with true depth sensing where businesses are willing to invest some real money. But the original hardware wasn't really up to it and the the first phone wasn't good enough to do the job. The newly released ZenFone AR looks very promising though.

[Vaud]

It will definitely have niche use cases. Mainstream, I am so-so for now. I have seen good apps (e.g. Ikea) where I can see why someone would use it. But is it a game changer or just an extension of what users will ask for as part of their engagement with a brand?

[MitchT]

WCZ said:

people don't really care about the 8, it's all about the X

I'm getting an 8. I'm long overdue an upgrade and I simply can't justify the cost of the X. I'm annoyed that there's no 128GB option for the 8 because 64GB is too small and the 256GB version costs more than I'd ideally like to pay, but I'll have to bite the bullet. The X is in another league of silly pricing though. Forget the 64GB version - you're going to need the 256 at £1,149 - and all it does that an 8 doesn't, as far as I can tell, is have an edge-to-edge screen and facial recognition which doesn't really excite me as you have to swipe as well which means two actions. At least the 8 just requires a fingerprint - one action.

[schmunk]

MitchT said:

I'm getting an 8. I'm long overdue an upgrade and I simply can't justify the cost of the X. I'm annoyed that there's no 128GB option for the 8 because 64GB is too small and the 256GB version costs more than I'd ideally like to pay, but I'll have to bite the bullet.

What on earth are you doing with your phone which requires more than 64GB of storage...?

[Venturist]

schmunk said:

What on earth are you doing with your phone which requires more than 64GB of storage...?

My thoughts too, I take a fair few photos and listen to music all day most days, with various streaming and cloud storage options there's very little actually on my phone itself. Only even comes up when I try to throw some movies or songs on there for when I know I won't have 3G.

Been saying it for a while but I think phones have peaked for now. Some kind of quantum leap is needed to get the same wow effect. Maybe processing power has to get so good it can legitimately replace your desktop/laptop, forever. Or some kind of hologram display meaning the size of the screen and the size of the device are no longer tied together.
For now, phones can do everything we want them to do, very well, and we can't think of much else we DO want them to do that's actually possible yet.

For me an appealing prospect would be launching an iPhone with old spec horsepower but using the new smaller chip technologies allowing for increased battery size within the same size phone. My main complaint with all my iPhones is the battery becoming crap at the 12-18 month mark.

[f1_dragon]

I'm going from a 6 to 8. My GPS/wi-fi/Bluetooth is dodgy, my phone needs a 2 day diag test to rectify this apparently.

I'm 5 GB away from my 64GB on my 6 and that was having to delete e.g. RR3 to free up space when I was on holiday earlier in the year and wanted to take videos. I download Spotify for the tube and have lots of photos that I like having on my device to reminisce when convenient.

I'm immensely disappointed by this. I didn't upgrade to the 7 as I thought they'd be an obviously better Jobs worthy path come 10 yr anniversary.

The price point, notch and faceID of the X do not sit well with me. I frequently unlock and read my phone when sat to my side on desk. So I'm going 8 256GB begrudgingly. I guess that explains the 36BN cash pile!

[leglessAlex]

f1_dragon said:

I guess that explains the 36BN cash pile!

$36bn?

Try $250bn

[f1_dragon]

Lol, my bad. 36BN was in my head for some reason. Maybe predicted 18 revenue from smucks like me?

[Durzel]

otolith said:

Durzel said:

Indeed. Prior to the keynote the A10 was the best thing since sliced bread. Post-keynote - to some at least - it's inefficient and slow.

Apple are geniuses at making their own tech feel obsolete overnight with practically no ill feeling from the customers who bought into it whatsoever. Consumers actually welcome paying more every year for broadly the same tech.

Cunning bds, ripping consumers off by improving their product. It's a good job Android phones don't improve.

From before but..

I don't begrudge them improving their tech, that's not what I was saying at all. What I'm saying is that the marketing, and what follows in terms of community response, suggests that the previous gen product - the thing that was hyped up massively the year before - is almost like it's defective. All of this is done without Apple overtly saying that "last years product is an also-ran" at all. Like I said, it's genius marketing to get consumers to willingly accept, with little to no resistance, that the product they bought only last year isn't worth being seen dead with. I wasn't being sarcastic.

[Durzel]

I think the X will sell out simply due to the halo effect. It's so dramatically different from the 8 that anyone who wants anyone else to know they have the latest, greatest Apple device will buy it. There are many, many people who define their lives like that, by what they own and how they want others to perceive them.

Apple are also cunningly drip-feeding "leaks" about supply chain issues, how they're only going to have so many X units available, and how late 2017 order production is going to run into 2018, etc. None of it is true of course, a company the size of Apple with the finances and clout that they have won't have ambiguity in their supply chain. They've committed to a preorder & launch date, rather than "Late November"... yet people seriously believe that Apple are struggling to produce them. it's an old-as-dirt sales & marketing technique - by saying that "you'd better order soon, you might not get a phone until next year/at all!" it will tip those who were on the fence about buying quickly to day 1 purchasers.

Anyway.. for me the X feels like a classic 1st gen Apple product. It does look nice, but there are enough unknowns about it to make me think that 2018's revision will be much better. The notch, the weird non-edge-to-edge bezel, the lack of TouchID and how that might affect my workflow, etc. I'll wait for that stuff to be ironed out methinks, and let the Instagram & wannabe YouTube celebrity crowd be the beta testers.

[bitchstewie]

They do but I don't think they're alone.

Every time I look for a new phone it's quite telling that even if I look at something released a few months ago I'm already reading reviews saying it's a bit slow and the next one's on the horizon etc.

They're all at it.

[Durzel]

Yeah. It's quite easy to become a slave to it without actually being consciously aware of it.

[page3]

Durzel said:

I think the X will sell out simply due to the halo effect. It's so dramatically different from the 8 that anyone who wants anyone else to know they have the latest, greatest Apple device will buy it. There are many, many people who define their lives like that, by what they own and how they want others to perceive them.

There are also those who have been waiting for something like the X for quite a time. Much bigger screen, same physical size phone.

[robbieduncan]

page3 said:

There are also those who have been waiting for something like the X for quite a time. Much bigger screen, same physical size phone.

Then they will still be waiting. This phone is bigger than a non-plus phone and the usable screen (go read the HIG) is actually not that much better than a normal phone. For example the X screen offers no usable width improvement for app developers as the far left and right are outside the safe area

[Durzel]

One would also presume that those looking for a smaller form factor phone than the Plus aren't the sort of people who will be keen to pay Plus++ prices either.

[Dr G]

leglessAlex said:

...Sure, I doubt any of these apps will ever be essential but I reckon it'll have all manner of useful/neat applications.

It's 2017; who cares about essential? I want toys dammit

I want a car-game that (from the passenger seat!) overlays a machine gun and rocket launcher onto the bonnet and 'baddies' atop other real world objects that I must explode. Like Pokemon Go with added Death Race.

Also an app that overlays steak onto my salad, please.

[Speed 3]

f1_dragon said:

I'm going from a 6 to 8. My GPS/wi-fi/Bluetooth is dodgy, my phone needs a 2 day diag test to rectify this apparently.

I'm 5 GB away from my 64GB on my 6 and that was having to delete e.g. RR3 to free up space when I was on holiday earlier in the year and wanted to take videos. I download Spotify for the tube and have lots of photos that I like having on my device to reminisce when convenient.

I'm immensely disappointed by this. I didn't upgrade to the 7 as I thought they'd be an obviously better Jobs worthy path come 10 yr anniversary.

The price point, notch and faceID of the X do not sit well with me. I frequently unlock and read my phone when sat to my side on desk. So I'm going 8 256GB begrudgingly. I guess that explains the 36BN cash pile!

Same situation for us when Mrs S3 will be changing in the New Year. It really pisses me off when they don't offer the mid-range memory option, they're clearly doing it for marketing rather than technical or supply chain reasons. Her original 6 packed up after 14 months with your symptoms (prior thread on here about my battle with EE & Apple on that one) but on the whole we've liked the 6. When I thought mine had given up the ghost (it actually hadn't, it was the pocket fluff problem in the charging socket but couldn't get it diagnosed over xmas) I elected to go 6S rather than 7 because there just doesn't seem to be any real meaningful product evolution now and I got more memory for a cheaper price. With her new one it definitely won't be an X as we can't live with the change from fingerprint to face before you even contemplate selling the children to fund one. Will be interesting to see what pricing is out there on 7/8 when all three are out.