IPhone 8 ?

[Evolved]

ashleyman said:

I went from a 6+ to an 8+ and the difference between the 2 is huge.

From simple things like unlocking the phone to loading up a web page the 8+ is much faster.

Awesome, so I can unlock my phone and jump on PH faster than ever.. Apple, take my damn money

I'd wager a lot of the speed improvements are down to optimised code, the same as I'm sure that they 'cripple' older phones using software tweaks. It's all one big hamster wheel nowadays and people seem happy to stump up cash just to stay on it. Apple really do milk that knowledge too.

[EmilA]

I got my 8 plus on Friday and in my opinion it is not worth the upgrade from the 7 that I had but the phone itself is better. The camera looks to be better than my wife's 7 plus and the screen display is nicer as well, with the phone feeling quicker to use as well.

I was also set on changing up to the X when it came out, but truth be told I don't see myself doing that now. The 8 isn't a leap from the 7 and I doubt the X will be a leap from the 8 plus.

[p1stonhead]

ashleyman said:

p1stonhead said:

A bigger screen obviously. But a lot faster?

At what? Is it even a noticable difference outside of a spreadsheet or graph?

I bet its not.

I went from a 6+ to an 8+ and the difference between the 2 is huge.

From simple things like unlocking the phone to loading up a web page the 8+ is much faster.

Yes but a 6 is miles behind a 7 already.

Going from a 6 to 8 is three generations of a jump - of course itll be big.

According to GeekBench the Iphone 8 (or X) is nearly 3 times faster than your 6 but not that much faster than a 7.

https://browser.geekbench.com/ios_devices/50



Look at this speed comparison article;

http://www.macworld.co.uk/review/iphone/iphone-8-v...

The iPhone 7 has not become a bad phone overnight, and is still fast, attractive and a pleasure to use. What you get by plumping for the iPhone 8 instead is an even faster A11 processor (you won't see the benefits yet, but it offers superior future-proofing for demanding applications still to come), some better video support options, an improved True Tone display and upgraded Bluetooth. And wireless charging, most appealingly.

So basically, its no quicker at the moment but may be for future stuff.

[otolith]

Evolved said:

Awesome, so I can unlock my phone and jump on PH faster than ever.. Apple, take my damn money

I'd wager a lot of the speed improvements are down to optimised code, the same as I'm sure that they 'cripple' older phones using software tweaks. It's all one big hamster wheel nowadays and people seem happy to stump up cash just to stay on it. Apple really do milk that knowledge too.

It's genuinely faster hardware - faster on these benchmarks than an i5 MacBook Pro.

https://www.tomsguide.com/us/iphone-8-benchmarks-f...

As above, whether you really need that much processing power in a phone is another question, which depends on what you are going to do with it.

[ashleyman]

p1stonhead said:

Yes but a 6 is miles behind a 7 already.

Going from a 6 to 8 is three generations of a jump - of course itll be big.

According to GeekBench the Iphone 8 (or X) is nearly 3 times faster than your 6 but not that much faster than a 7.

https://browser.geekbench.com/ios_devices/50



Look at this speed comparison article;

http://www.macworld.co.uk/review/iphone/iphone-8-v...

The iPhone 7 has not become a bad phone overnight, and is still fast, attractive and a pleasure to use. What you get by plumping for the iPhone 8 instead is an even faster A11 processor (you won't see the benefits yet, but it offers superior future-proofing for demanding applications still to come), some better video support options, an improved True Tone display and upgraded Bluetooth. And wireless charging, most appealingly.

So basically, its no quicker at the moment but may be for future stuff.

I take a lot of photos on my phone, I then edit those photos on my phone and post them on social media. I've not had time to test it out properly but just doing minor editing it's much faster. Exporting images from snapseed is faster. Loading up Instagram and Twitter is faster.

I was just talking about 2 points that surprised me, TouchID is rapid and scrolling down web pages is faster with less load time.

A 6 could be miles behind a 7 but it's what I have upgraded from. You may not like it, but the 8+ is a big jump and I'm enjoying it so far. I never said the 7 was a bad phone but I've never had one so wouldn't know what it's like.

[MrOrange]

NDA said:

Has any PH'er given us a review of the 8 yet?

I went from a 6 Plus to an 8 Plus. Picked it up on Sunday, as per Apple, the switch-over was a dream and I was up and running in a matter of minutes. I had already decided that the first version of the X was not for me (no touch ID, questions over the usable screen space, fragility questions) ... my 6 was 3 years old so not a bad life for a smartphone, and I got a decent trade-in.

PROS

• The step-up in performance is staggering, iOS11 on the 6 was really rather laggy
• Improved Touch ID takes a bit of getting used to but much faster and more reliable
• The camera is to die for, the various modes and the faster lens and higher pixel count make it worth it for that alone
• Feels quite a bit more premium and quite workman-like, despite being glass backed.
• The screen appears to look better, maybe it's the true-tone thingy because I understand they are almost identical. Seems to suffer less with glare.
• Existing cases and car kit (mostly) fit fine

CONS

• No headphone port with the fussy adapter
• Heavier
• Cost was £950

I did consider the 7 as it had much of what I wanted/needed but the performance jump, better camera and not a big price jump convinced me that this could last a further 3 years.

[p1stonhead]

ashleyman said:

p1stonhead said:

Yes but a 6 is miles behind a 7 already.

Going from a 6 to 8 is three generations of a jump - of course itll be big.

According to GeekBench the Iphone 8 (or X) is nearly 3 times faster than your 6 but not that much faster than a 7.

https://browser.geekbench.com/ios_devices/50



Look at this speed comparison article;

http://www.macworld.co.uk/review/iphone/iphone-8-v...

The iPhone 7 has not become a bad phone overnight, and is still fast, attractive and a pleasure to use. What you get by plumping for the iPhone 8 instead is an even faster A11 processor (you won't see the benefits yet, but it offers superior future-proofing for demanding applications still to come), some better video support options, an improved True Tone display and upgraded Bluetooth. And wireless charging, most appealingly.

So basically, its no quicker at the moment but may be for future stuff.

I take a lot of photos on my phone, I then edit those photos on my phone and post them on social media. I've not had time to test it out properly but just doing minor editing it's much faster. Exporting images from snapseed is faster. Loading up Instagram and Twitter is faster.

I was just talking about 2 points that surprised me, TouchID is rapid and scrolling down web pages is faster with less load time.

A 6 could be miles behind a 7 but it's what I have upgraded from. You may not like it, but the 8+ is a big jump and I'm enjoying it so far. I never said the 7 was a bad phone but I've never had one so wouldn't know what it's like.

Yes but the whole discussion before you made your point was due to a guy contemplating spending £400 to upgrade from a 7

[Rawwr]

p1stonhead said:

So basically, its no quicker at the moment but may be for future stuff.

But that's not an issue because people will be tripping over themselves in the future to buy the iPhone XI, XII and XIII. That's ok, though, because they'll be buying those phones to future-proof themselves.

[Evolved]

All of these geekbench results are great if you use a phone or computer at 100% processor use all the time BUT no one does.

If you catalogued what you actually used the phone for through an average day, what would the majority of the usage be?

Surf the net
Send emails
Chat on WhatsApp
Check the weather
Browse some social apps

All of the above require minimal resource and are possible going to load marginally faster, so what?

Not having a dig at your post, simply trying to put another spin on things like benchmark results. They're meaningless for 95% of users.

[p1stonhead]

Evolved said:

All of these geekbench results are great if you use a phone or computer at 100% processor use all the time BUT no one does.

If you catalogued what you actually used the phone for through an average day, what would the majority of the usage be?

Surf the net
Send emails
Chat on WhatsApp
Check the weather
Browse some social apps

All of the above require minimal resource and are possible going to load marginally faster, so what?

Not having a dig at your post, simply trying to put another spin on things like benchmark results. They're meaningless for 95% of users.

That was my whole point. It will be barely noticable moving from a 7 to an 8 or X.

The benchmark backs it up there is only a tiny difference between the two in raw numbers.

[otolith]

I think the new image processing features are reliant upon that performance upgrade, mind, which is a feature most users will benefit from.

[Evolved]

otolith said:

I think the new image processing features are reliant upon that performance upgrade, mind, which is a feature most users will benefit from.

Possibly, it's not something I'd be spending near a grand for though. My phones camera is used purely for happy snaps. Any serious work is done using my DSLR and processed through capture one or lightroom. 1k will buy some serious glass for a proper camera too, and is something that lasts for years.

My posts probably read like I'm anti Apple, I'm far from it as I have a studio full of macs along with the obligatory iPads and iPhones. I am becoming more and more disalusioned at their marketing and pricing stand points though. They really are taking the piss with this and it won't be long until a phone, which lasts a couple of years will be the same price as one of their high end MacBooks, which will last years.

[otolith]

Evolved said:

otolith said:

I think the new image processing features are reliant upon that performance upgrade, mind, which is a feature most users will benefit from.

Possibly, it's not something I'd be spending near a grand for though. My phones camera is used purely for happy snaps. Any serious work is done using my DSLR and processed through capture one or lightroom. 1k will buy some serious glass for a proper camera too, and is something that lasts for years.

Indeed, but the proportion of photographs taken on cameras is shrinking every year, with the point-and-click performance of smartphones constantly improving. You will want a proper camera if your hobby is photography, but if what you want is pleasing photos from the thing you carry with you all the time, this matters.

This kind of thing - most people wouldn't know how to do it with a real camera;

https://www.cnet.com/uk/how-to/apple-iphone-8-plus...

Evolved said:

My posts probably read like I'm anti Apple, I'm far from it as I have a studio full of macs along with the obligatory iPads and iPhones. I am becoming more and more disalusioned at their marketing and pricing stand points though. They really are taking the piss with this and it won't be long until a phone, which lasts a couple of years will be the same price as one of their high end MacBooks, which will last years.

I don't think the prices are that unreasonable given the specification and market positioning, but it's questionable how many people really need £1000 of tech in their pocket. Still, phones are sold on wants, not needs.

[ashleyman]

iPhone 7+ vs iPhone 8+

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/iphone-7-vs-8...

[TameRacingDriver]

otolith said:

Indeed, but the proportion of photographs taken on cameras is shrinking every year, with the point-and-click performance of smartphones constantly improving. You will want a proper camera if your hobby is photography, but if what you want is pleasing photos from the thing you carry with you all the time, this matters.

Agreed. As the old saying goes, the best camera is the one you have with you. I like taking photos, but I dislike carrying an SLR or seperate camera, which is why I don't. This is why for me, the camera on a phone is quite important.

[Brainpox]

Durzel said:

Have you ever known Apple to reintroduce technology they've taken out?

They made quite a big fuss about the security improvements purportedly in FaceID, over TouchID. The idea that they're reintroduce it seems unlikely in that context.

It'll be interesting to see what happens. Face recognition has to deal with an infinite number of possible lighting environments, whereas fingerprints are simple. Security is great but if it doesn't work, then they risk looking foolish.

Face recognition has been done before and not really worked. Apple tends to make existing technologies work well so I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt.

But I don't think it'll be seen as a backwards step if, in a year's time, they tell us their phone can read your fingerprint through the screen. That would be completely new and genuinely futuristic.

[ZesPak]

Brainpox said:

But I don't think it'll be seen as a backwards step if, in a year's time, they tell us their phone can read your fingerprint through the screen. That would be completely new and genuinely futuristic.

? That doesn't make much sense.

It's still a backwards step if you buy the X now isn't it?

[otolith]

Brainpox said:

It'll be interesting to see what happens. Face recognition has to deal with an infinite number of possible lighting environments, whereas fingerprints are simple.

It's not a simple camera looking at your face. It's looking at you in the infrared spectrum with an IR illuminator and projecting dots onto your face. It will work in complete darkness or bright sunlight.

[Burwood]

otolith said:

Brainpox said:

It'll be interesting to see what happens. Face recognition has to deal with an infinite number of possible lighting environments, whereas fingerprints are simple.

It's not a simple camera looking at your face. It's looking at you in the infrared spectrum with an IR illuminator and projecting dots onto your face. It will work in complete darkness or bright sunlight.

Clearly Apple have big plans for such clever tech.Augmented reality etc.

[A.J.M]

MrOrange said:

NDA said:

Has any PH'er given us a review of the 8 yet?

I went from a 6 Plus to an 8 Plus. Picked it up on Sunday, as per Apple, the switch-over was a dream and I was up and running in a matter of minutes. I had already decided that the first version of the X was not for me (no touch ID, questions over the usable screen space, fragility questions) ... my 6 was 3 years old so not a bad life for a smartphone, and I got a decent trade-in.

PROS

• The step-up in performance is staggering, iOS11 on the 6 was really rather laggy
• Improved Touch ID takes a bit of getting used to but much faster and more reliable
• The camera is to die for, the various modes and the faster lens and higher pixel count make it worth it for that alone
• Feels quite a bit more premium and quite workman-like, despite being glass backed.
• The screen appears to look better, maybe it's the true-tone thingy because I understand they are almost identical. Seems to suffer less with glare.
• Existing cases and car kit (mostly) fit fine

CONS

• No headphone port with the fussy adapter
• Heavier
• Cost was £950

I did consider the 7 as it had much of what I wanted/needed but the performance jump, better camera and not a big price jump convinced me that this could last a further 3 years.

Thanks for this review.

I currently have a 6S, and have a 8 coming this week.
Got a decent contract upgrade and will wait for others to trial the X and get the bugs out the system before I consider something like it in the future.

I'm happy with my choice. Have had to get a new car holder for its wireless charging but I was needing a new one anyway.