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ZesPak said:
? That doesn't make much sense.
It's still a backwards step if you buy the X now isn't it?
Not really. Being forced to use facial recognition has its downsides. You won't always have the phone facing directly at you when you want to unlock it, it could be on a desk for example. Basically the same downsides as when it was first used five years ago. It's still a backwards step if you buy the X now isn't it?
Fingerprints offer more flexibility in how you use the phone.
So in that regard, the X is a step back imo, but if they can get fingerprints read through the screen, then it's a step forward.
Of course it's all moot when the PIN is the backup and that can easily be seen just by peering over someone's shoulder...
I think FaceID is a step backwards, and whilst it might have that wow factor I feel like it's a bit Emperor's New Clothes. I think there will be a number of people surprised at how organically TouchID feels at the moment, how seamlessly it fits into your workflow. As was said previously, I quite often pull my phone out of my jacket pocket, held and secured from the bottom with my thumb naturally on the home button, and it's unlocked before I've even consciously started to use it.
It doesn't matter to me how fast FaceID is (it certainly appeared slower than TouchID in the keynote), if it involves a conscious or arbitrary act - I think it's a step backwards. If I have to peer over the top of my phone while it is sat on my desk at work, to be able to use it (without having to put in the passcode), that's an objectively worse user experience for me.
It doesn't matter to me how fast FaceID is (it certainly appeared slower than TouchID in the keynote), if it involves a conscious or arbitrary act - I think it's a step backwards. If I have to peer over the top of my phone while it is sat on my desk at work, to be able to use it (without having to put in the passcode), that's an objectively worse user experience for me.
Fas1975 said:
mine was meant to arrive today. Conclusion is, delivery company have "lost" it. Have raised a ticket and I have to wait 72 hours before they will send another. That must be hideously annoying.
Can't they just send you another immediately and then if the other shows up, it can be returned?
Brainpox said:
Not really. Being forced to use facial recognition has its downsides. You won't always have the phone facing directly at you when you want to unlock it, it could be on a desk for example. Basically the same downsides as when it was first used five years ago.
Has somebody leaked the specs for the angle of view of the face scanner on the iPhone X then?otolith said:
Brainpox said:
Not really. Being forced to use facial recognition has its downsides. You won't always have the phone facing directly at you when you want to unlock it, it could be on a desk for example. Basically the same downsides as when it was first used five years ago.
Has somebody leaked the specs for the angle of view of the face scanner on the iPhone X then?Slowing them down on something they do a hundred times a day matters.
p1stonhead said:
Fact of the matter is it’s impossible to be quicker than TouchID. Whether or not it’s more secure doesn’t matter to many people.
Slowing them down on something they do a hundred times a day matters.
You know, I think I will probably wait until I have seen it working in the flesh and make my mind up then, rather than basing it on what I think it might be like or what some five year old tech is like. I do know that I find the way that fingerprint scanners don't work with wet or dirty hands a bit of a pain in the arse, but then I have outdoor hobbies.Slowing them down on something they do a hundred times a day matters.
otolith said:
Brainpox said:
Not really. Being forced to use facial recognition has its downsides. You won't always have the phone facing directly at you when you want to unlock it, it could be on a desk for example. Basically the same downsides as when it was first used five years ago.
Has somebody leaked the specs for the angle of view of the face scanner on the iPhone X then?As you have said, really we all have to wait for the phone to be released for the reviews to come out, and probably the only way to know for sure if it works in your life is to buy one and try it yourself. Still, I think the concerns people have about it are valid, and I see why people are a bit unsure about spending £999+ to find out if those concerns are true or not.
Durzel said:
I think FaceID is a step backwards, and whilst it might have that wow factor I feel like it's a bit Emperor's New Clothes. I think there will be a number of people surprised at how organically TouchID feels at the moment, how seamlessly it fits into your workflow. As was said previously, I quite often pull my phone out of my jacket pocket, held and secured from the bottom with my thumb naturally on the home button, and it's unlocked before I've even consciously started to use it.
It doesn't matter to me how fast FaceID is (it certainly appeared slower than TouchID in the keynote), if it involves a conscious or arbitrary act - I think it's a step backwards. If I have to peer over the top of my phone while it is sat on my desk at work, to be able to use it (without having to put in the passcode), that's an objectively worse user experience for me.
Agreed.It doesn't matter to me how fast FaceID is (it certainly appeared slower than TouchID in the keynote), if it involves a conscious or arbitrary act - I think it's a step backwards. If I have to peer over the top of my phone while it is sat on my desk at work, to be able to use it (without having to put in the passcode), that's an objectively worse user experience for me.
The biggest downside for FaceID that I saw from the keynote is that you still have to touch the screen (by swiping up) to fully unlock it. Staring at it only changes the padlock icon at the top of the screen from closed to open, so in the real world FaceID will be at best the same, but maybe even marginally slower than unlocking the phone with TouchID.
Why they couldn't have embedded TouchID in the Apple logo on the back I don't know, especially as there was a video doing the rounds that seemed to show that possibility.
Teppic said:
Why they couldn't have embedded TouchID in the Apple logo on the back I don't know, especially as there was a video doing the rounds that seemed to show that possibility.
They could have, this could have a number of reasons:No space to put it there
Following the "pack", as every other major manufacturer has done it in the last couple of years
I'm leaning towards the latter tbh.
So maybe I'm missing something here.
So your iphone x is on a table somewhere - bar, restuarant, work even home. All of a sudden it clocks your dial (haha) and unlocks.
Great security, unlocks when you might not want it to....
Bit like the phone touch ID thing where its based on proximity.
I'm sure Apple will have worked it out, but on the other hand?
So your iphone x is on a table somewhere - bar, restuarant, work even home. All of a sudden it clocks your dial (haha) and unlocks.
Great security, unlocks when you might not want it to....
Bit like the phone touch ID thing where its based on proximity.
I'm sure Apple will have worked it out, but on the other hand?
andygo said:
So maybe I'm missing something here.
So your iphone x is on a table somewhere - bar, restuarant, work even home. All of a sudden it clocks your dial (haha) and unlocks.
Great security, unlocks when you might not want it to....
Bit like the phone touch ID thing where its based on proximity.
I'm sure Apple will have worked it out, but on the other hand?
As said, you still need to swipe on the screen.So your iphone x is on a table somewhere - bar, restuarant, work even home. All of a sudden it clocks your dial (haha) and unlocks.
Great security, unlocks when you might not want it to....
Bit like the phone touch ID thing where its based on proximity.
I'm sure Apple will have worked it out, but on the other hand?
NDA said:
Fas1975 said:
mine was meant to arrive today. Conclusion is, delivery company have "lost" it. Have raised a ticket and I have to wait 72 hours before they will send another. That must be hideously annoying.
Can't they just send you another immediately and then if the other shows up, it can be returned?
All in all, great service from EE. What's interesting is they told me that DPD lost the contact for EE a couple of years ago and it went to UK Mail. One of the conditions of going back to DPD was that for every lost phone, DPD would compensate EE the full retail price of the phone that has gone missing. So I'm sure they'll be taking this seriously at the depot.
ZesPak said:
andygo said:
So maybe I'm missing something here.
So your iphone x is on a table somewhere - bar, restuarant, work even home. All of a sudden it clocks your dial (haha) and unlocks.
Great security, unlocks when you might not want it to....
Bit like the phone touch ID thing where its based on proximity.
I'm sure Apple will have worked it out, but on the other hand?
As said, you still need to swipe on the screen.So your iphone x is on a table somewhere - bar, restuarant, work even home. All of a sudden it clocks your dial (haha) and unlocks.
Great security, unlocks when you might not want it to....
Bit like the phone touch ID thing where its based on proximity.
I'm sure Apple will have worked it out, but on the other hand?
Edited by Teppic on Monday 25th September 20:50
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