iOS 11 - who's upgrading?

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Nickbrapp

5,277 posts

131 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Any ideas if the newest updates cures all the issues I have?

My 6s always loses the clock on the home screen, and sometimes this makes the home button unreposnsive and I have to turn the phone off and on again before I can do anything, it will also freeze on the Spotify now playing home screen and have to do the same.

Countless times the alarm and canculator apps crash back to the home screen.

When replying to a text though the quick reply on the home screen it crashes out and then I have to go into messages to reply

mmm-five

11,246 posts

285 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Just ran Geekbench 4 on my 6s with 11.2.1 after a hard restart.

According to Geekbench, my phone should be returning over 4000 for multi-core around 2400 for single core.

Mine is returning 3135 for multi-core (23% reduction) and 1822 (24% reduction) for single core - which seems to be what other 6s users are reporting with iOS 11.

ZesPak

24,433 posts

197 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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jmorgan said:
Ah, I was wondering if others play the same tricks, was that the first sentence in your reply aimed at?

When I say tricks, in the days of gadgetry etc. smart moves I think rather than dodgy dealings?
I'm quite sure others generally pull the same tricks Apple pulls, it's just that the Apple ones get highlighted because of their sheer volume of phones.
I'm talking about dodgy dealings btw.

But in the end there's no magic involved and while doing a great job, sometimes it's hard to hide the fact that their batteries are really small and thus are hit a lot harder by battery degradation.

This for example is a test by a dutch website watching videos on the phones:


So the physical slimming down of the battery size has a serious impact in a number of useage ways, despite the clever software and hardware moves.

Zod

35,295 posts

259 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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jmorgan said:
No tv app here.

Yet.....

Maybe a roll out over a period of time.
It came out over a few days on our family devices (eleven of them).

LarryUSA

4,319 posts

257 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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mmm-five said:
Just ran Geekbench 4 on my 6s with 11.2.1 after a hard restart.

According to Geekbench, my phone should be returning over 4000 for multi-core around 2400 for single core.

Mine is returning 3135 for multi-core (23% reduction) and 1822 (24% reduction) for single core - which seems to be what other 6s users are reporting with iOS 11.
Think yourself lucky! I ran it this morning on my 6s device with 11.2.1after a hard restart:

1767 Multi-Core, 1042 Single-Core - almost half your scores!

My device is 27 months old and ever since the 11 update, the battery performance has been really poor and the phone slow, as these results show. I have a brand new battery from ifixit.com arriving today so will be interesting to see if the CPU performance improves with the new battery as some reports show.

p1stonhead

25,555 posts

168 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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LarryUSA said:
mmm-five said:
Just ran Geekbench 4 on my 6s with 11.2.1 after a hard restart.

According to Geekbench, my phone should be returning over 4000 for multi-core around 2400 for single core.

Mine is returning 3135 for multi-core (23% reduction) and 1822 (24% reduction) for single core - which seems to be what other 6s users are reporting with iOS 11.
Think yourself lucky! I ran it this morning on my 6s device with 11.2.1after a hard restart:

1767 Multi-Core, 1042 Single-Core - almost half your scores!

My device is 27 months old and ever since the 11 update, the battery performance has been really poor and the phone slow, as these results show. I have a brand new battery from ifixit.com arriving today so will be interesting to see if the CPU performance improves with the new battery as some reports show.
For comparison, Apple changed the battery on my 6S about a month ago. Definitely something in this. Mines snappy as new since the battery change.




Edited by p1stonhead on Wednesday 20th December 19:56


Edited by p1stonhead on Wednesday 20th December 19:57

ecsrobin

17,125 posts

166 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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So my 2 year old iPad air2 is running better than the benchmark on iOS 11.2.5




jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Zod said:
It came out over a few days on our family devices (eleven of them).
Had it a few days now. Liking it, few glitches but good. Ish.

ecsrobin

17,125 posts

166 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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And my 6s plus is below the benchmark:





Again on iOS 11.2.5

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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mmm-five

11,246 posts

285 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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ecsrobin said:
So my 2 year old iPad air2 is running better than the benchmark on iOS 11.2.5
Strangely, the ‘benchmark’ numbers on the app are different than on the website for the same device...

iPhone 6s
  • single-core: 2376 (app) vs 2287 (web) - 1818 (mine)
  • multi-core: 3994 (app) vs 3916 (web) - 3176 (mine)
iPad Air
  • single-core: 1308 (app) vs 1328 (web) - 1307 (mine)
  • multi-core: 2206 (app) vs 2247 (web) - 2292 (mine)
iPad Pro 10.5
  • single-core: n/a (app) vs 3902 (web) - 3954 (mine)
  • multi-core: n/a (app) vs 9283 (web) - 9443 (mine)

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Wednesday 20th December 2017
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Have 2544 and 4378 for a 6s.

NDA

21,595 posts

226 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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What do these numbers mean? No idea. smile

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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NDA said:
What do these numbers mean? No idea. smile
I have been trying to find out but got disinterested. I am guessing it is an overall score of performance. Sort of how long to perform the sums on a set graphic, then how long to add up some more numbers etc.

Same as going to a benchmark site to see what your graphic cards perform like.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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So I still have not upgraded my iPhone 6S. Is it safe yet?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

285 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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garyhun said:
So I still have not upgraded my iPhone 6S. Is it safe yet?
Yes, no, maybe.

It would seem.

I am ok, others not so. How many are happy and not upset at it is hard to tell .

Your choice, backup first.

anonymous-user

55 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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jmorgan said:
garyhun said:
So I still have not upgraded my iPhone 6S. Is it safe yet?
Yes, no, maybe.

It would seem.

I am ok, others not so. How many are happy and not upset at it is hard to tell .

Your choice, backup first.
I'll see how lucky I feel. Forgot about backup - thanks for the reminder!

cologne2792

2,127 posts

127 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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I did notice that since upgrading to 11 and then quickly reverting to 10.3.3 that itunes now says I can't make a back up...
I take it the two are connected ?

ecsrobin

17,125 posts

166 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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jmorgan said:
NDA said:
What do these numbers mean? No idea. smile
I have been trying to find out but got disinterested. I am guessing it is an overall score of performance. Sort of how long to perform the sums on a set graphic, then how long to add up some more numbers etc.

Same as going to a benchmark site to see what your graphic cards perform like.
So Geekbench run a load of tests on your devices and establish a number for each device based on its performance.

So for an iPhone 6s Plus they’ve established that a new out the box best performance for that device equates to 4030 on their scale.

I’ve then tested my device using the same tests and it’s given me a score of 3136 so a 22% drop in performance over 3 years and running the latest iOS beta.

Durzel

12,273 posts

169 months

Thursday 21st December 2017
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Not upgrading is not really an option when some of these updates fix very serious vulnerabilities.

The fact there is no indication whatsoever (besides the phone feeling slower) is really out of order imo. I'm not one for conspiracy theories but it doesn't take a great stretch to imagine that if Apple are releasing new phones every 1-2 years, then most people using their phone every day are going to find that towards the end of that timeframe it's going to be running slower due to their battery degrading, and - as now confirmed - the performance being throttled, and consequently the new shiny phone will seem that bit more attractive.

Sadly this revelation will be tomorrow's fish & chip paper. With another manufacturer I feel they'd be hauled over the coals, but with Apple a great many people simply buy whatever excuse they give as "they know what's best for me".