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zippy3x said:
How does that work then?
Microsoft release a big update every six months, so when you swap drives you're going to be due at least one big update and 8 months of small updates.
And until it's all updated, your system is vulnerable to 8 months of security issues.
Sounds to me like you've doubled the number of updates you have to put up with.
I can only speak from my experiences. I've followed a similar method for my desktop ever since I had a catastrophic failure of an OS operating system with XP, this back in 2005 if memory serves. I used paid-for cloning software then but now I use Reflect. I've experienced no problems whatsoever apart from reloading some programmes where I've exceeded some arbitrary limit that they don't tell you about. All that makes me do is buy a different make of software or go freebee. I now use Wordpress, a cheaper, and much better for me, office suite - Ashampoo (I like their software, and have a number of their programmes) - FreeCAD and LibreCAD depending whether 3D or 3D, the last two seamlessly replacing an oldish AutoCAD.Microsoft release a big update every six months, so when you swap drives you're going to be due at least one big update and 8 months of small updates.
And until it's all updated, your system is vulnerable to 8 months of security issues.
Sounds to me like you've doubled the number of updates you have to put up with.
I can't find anything free that approaches either Power Director or Affinity Photo but I've had no problem reinstalling them.
The updates don't take that long. I've never timed it, but I think no more than an hour. Updating any new programmes takes little time as I only occasionally install new software now. I used to have one programme, I forget which, where I had to install the original programme, then update that one and then update it again to be current. They kept that secret. I also change all passwords at the same time. It's a sort of spring clean and I ensure that I have no outstanding tasks requiring the desktop. I've always got my laptop if I need to use it. It's got Ashampoo Office on it - I can have it on three computers.
The original clone was taken after the initial loading of the OS and programmes. When the cloned HDD replaces the one in the computer it runs noticeably smoother and quicker. I then load any additional software I've installed in that time although not that which I've tried and no longer use, and then reclone the OS HDD on the original disk.
I thoroughly recommend cloning and regular swopping. I use my desktop for work and there's a certain reassurance in the knowledge of the clone being all but ready, one that anyone who has had an HDD fall apart will appreciate.
deckster said:
I don't disagree at all but I suspect you're confusing the Ebay key with a genuine OEM license; you won't get an OEM license for £10.
The cheap Ebay and similar keys are either recycled from old PCs, or MSDN licenses that are reused over and over.
I would almost guarantee that they are all OEM SB keys, search amazon for "Windows 10 Pro OEM" and you get many offers under £10. They are legal to sell in this way, it is their incorrect use that is illegal. Hence why ebay/amazon are happy to continue hosting the sales. Don't misunderstand me - I don't think MS will ever pursue a home user for these keys and I am sure they are aware and somewhat complicit in their use as the spread of their software is good for business. If found being used on business equipment it may be a different story.The cheap Ebay and similar keys are either recycled from old PCs, or MSDN licenses that are reused over and over.
Derek Smith said:
I've used an ebay key for Win7 after a problem with my laptop. It worked fine. I'd made a note of the key with the original installation but had made a mistake in reading or writing and the little sticker was all but indecipherable. £10 was convenient. It is not illegal 'as such', and that's according to a lawyer. MS might have a contractual beef with someone down the line, but not the end user. Different countries, different strokes I believe.
Whatever helps you sleep at night but it's no different to the pirated copy I have for free, except that you have given someone £10 to enable you to pirate it. Microsoft, nor any licensed channel partner of theirs, will not ever see any of that money.Dromedary66 said:
Whatever helps you sleep at night but it's no different to the pirated copy I have for free, except that you have given someone £10 to enable you to pirate it. Microsoft, nor any licensed channel partner of theirs, will not ever see any of that money.
I disagree. It is not pirated, not under the legal definition of the word. If it was all that MS would have to do is contact Ebay and Amazon and get the items removed from the listings. They don't for a reason. I would not use pirated programmes, this despite the copyright law, as imposed by the Yanks, being draconian. I've even sent two lots of donations to Libre, one for their office, which I no longer use, and also for their CAD. You are aware, of course, that you are allowed to make copies for your own use of DVDs. Bullying by the USA means that it is an offence to supply programmes that allow us to exercise our legal rights. This doesn't stop 'drug dealers' from selling pirated DVDs so the only people inconvenienced are those who abide by the law. Yet despite this abuse of American power, I will not use pirated software.
I would not use MS pirated programmes, this despite MS abusing their position as a monopoly supplier. Read the EU courts' decisions in the various cases brought before it of MS's systematic attempt to dominate computer software supply. See what they tried with Netscape. But still I can't use pirated software, I mean not like MS used Jscript.
I make no judgement of your use of pirated copy.
Derek Smith said:
I disagree. It is not pirated, not under the legal definition of the word. If it was all that MS would have to do is contact Ebay and Amazon and get the items removed from the listings. They don't for a reason.
I would not use pirated programmes, this despite the copyright law, as imposed by the Yanks, being draconian. I've even sent two lots of donations to Libre, one for their office, which I no longer use, and also for their CAD. You are aware, of course, that you are allowed to make copies for your own use of DVDs. Bullying by the USA means that it is an offence to supply programmes that allow us to exercise our legal rights. This doesn't stop 'drug dealers' from selling pirated DVDs so the only people inconvenienced are those who abide by the law. Yet despite this abuse of American power, I will not use pirated software.
I would not use MS pirated programmes, this despite MS abusing their position as a monopoly supplier. Read the EU courts' decisions in the various cases brought before it of MS's systematic attempt to dominate computer software supply. See what they tried with Netscape. But still I can't use pirated software, I mean not like MS used Jscript.
I make no judgement of your use of pirated copy.
As the man said, whatever helps you sleep at night.I would not use pirated programmes, this despite the copyright law, as imposed by the Yanks, being draconian. I've even sent two lots of donations to Libre, one for their office, which I no longer use, and also for their CAD. You are aware, of course, that you are allowed to make copies for your own use of DVDs. Bullying by the USA means that it is an offence to supply programmes that allow us to exercise our legal rights. This doesn't stop 'drug dealers' from selling pirated DVDs so the only people inconvenienced are those who abide by the law. Yet despite this abuse of American power, I will not use pirated software.
I would not use MS pirated programmes, this despite MS abusing their position as a monopoly supplier. Read the EU courts' decisions in the various cases brought before it of MS's systematic attempt to dominate computer software supply. See what they tried with Netscape. But still I can't use pirated software, I mean not like MS used Jscript.
I make no judgement of your use of pirated copy.
Feel free to use Windows, or any other software, without paying the vendor what they believe and intend to be the appropriate license fee; it's not up to us to police your conscience. But please don't tell us for a second that you have the moral high ground because you disagree with their business practices.
deckster said:
As the man said, whatever helps you sleep at night.
Feel free to use Windows, or any other software, without paying the vendor what they believe and intend to be the appropriate license fee; it's not up to us to police your conscience. But please don't tell us for a second that you have the moral high ground because you disagree with their business practices.
I am not in breach on any law. That much is clear. If, for instance, MS want to take me to court then they might want to show a loss. Well best of luck with that. Feel free to use Windows, or any other software, without paying the vendor what they believe and intend to be the appropriate license fee; it's not up to us to police your conscience. But please don't tell us for a second that you have the moral high ground because you disagree with their business practices.
Morals are personal. However, I take your final point and will not venture to suggest that I have the high moral ground, except, of course, in comparison to Microsoft. What I do know is that my actions are not illegal.
Order66 said:
Derek Smith said:
I disagree. It is not pirated,
You are both in breach of the software license terms, you just took different routes to get to that point.Microsoft have, after a number of investigations, been found to have indulged in improper (to say the least) marketing practices by an EU court. These are easily found on the internet. Despite the findings, they continued in the same way. They took a different route to take money from my pocket, not to mention others'. It would come well within my moral compass for me to use pirated MS software. I've not been offered any however. Whether this is the only reason I don't use it is unknown. I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep if I did. I'm sure no one did at MS when they decided on their marketing practices.
But let me make it quite clear, I do not use pirated software.
Imagine that I write books, which are very well reviewed. Customer A buys one and recommends it to a friend, Customer B. Later, Customer A discovers that, for reasons unknown but probably overuse, his book is corrupted. The condition of sale means that he is only entitled to one copy. Customer A approaches Customer B to ask for a copy of his purchase. He agrees.
Now this is against the conditions of sale that both agreed to when they bought the book. Should I take either customer to court to reclaim my losses? Has either Customer A or Customer B forsaken the moral high ground?
Now let's think; what loss have I suffered?
I do not use pirated software. I might be wrong but by merely gainsaying my denial of doing so is not reasoned argument. What law have I breached?
Derek Smith said:
My actions do not constitute using pirated software. The different route I've chosen is by not using pirated software.
You seem hung up on the word "pirated". It is a term that has little meaning in law. You are using software outside the terms of its license, therefore you are using unlicensed software.Derek Smith said:
Microsoft have, after a number of investigations, been found to have indulged in improper (to say the least) marketing practices by an EU court. These are easily found on the internet. Despite the findings, they continued in the same way. They took a different route to take money from my pocket, not to mention others'. It would come well within my moral compass for me to use pirated MS software. I've not been offered any however. Whether this is the only reason I don't use it is unknown. I certainly wouldn't lose any sleep if I did. I'm sure no one did at MS when they decided on their marketing practices.
All irrelevant to the legitimacy of your license in this case.Derek Smith said:
But let me make it quite clear, I do not use pirated software.
You use unlicensed software. Derek Smith said:
Imagine that I write books, which are very well reviewed. Customer A buys one and recommends it to a friend, Customer B. Later, Customer A discovers that, for reasons unknown but probably overuse, his book is corrupted. The condition of sale means that he is only entitled to one copy. Customer A approaches Customer B to ask for a copy of his purchase. He agrees.
Now this is against the conditions of sale that both agreed to when they bought the book. Should I take either customer to court to reclaim my losses? Has either Customer A or Customer B forsaken the moral high ground?
What you describe is absolutely illegal and breach of copyright. Regardless of your reasoning, you don't have the rights to duplicate the book.Now this is against the conditions of sale that both agreed to when they bought the book. Should I take either customer to court to reclaim my losses? Has either Customer A or Customer B forsaken the moral high ground?
Derek Smith said:
Now let's think; what loss have I suffered?
The price of a new copy of the book.Derek Smith said:
I do not use pirated software. I might be wrong but by merely gainsaying my denial of doing so is not reasoned argument. What law have I breached?
You use unlicensed software. This is a breach of copyright law.zippy3x said:
JimSuperSix said:
I think most peoples issues with the update system is how it forces itself upon you whenever it feels like it , even when running full-screen games or whatever, there's no common sense involved from the MS end. At least wait until the PC has been idle for 5 minutes or something.
For your comparison , it's more like if my car popped up a fuel warning mid-journey and locked out the radio until I'd pressed some random other buttons.
Not really, it only forces itself on users when they have ignored update requests.For your comparison , it's more like if my car popped up a fuel warning mid-journey and locked out the radio until I'd pressed some random other buttons.
Edited by anonymous-user on Sunday 26th November 11:11
I've been on Windows 10 on 3 different home PC's and several work PC's and I've never had an update interrupt me. Simply because I update as I explained.
Keeping with cars, it's actually like you get multiple fuel warnings, ignore them, cos you're busy driving, then complaining your car has stopped when you had a really important meeting to attend.
Buy Windows 10 Home $119.99
Anything less, I think it a bad idea to be advertising what you are using here on the internet
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/windows-10...
Anything less, I think it a bad idea to be advertising what you are using here on the internet
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/windows-10...
JimSuperSix said:
Funny how both my work and home PC are up to date , then the day after that there's yet another fricking update that pops up right in the middle of a gaming session. It's a crap system that is overly intrusive.
It's not if you have Win 10 Pro, as you can defer all updates for months. Order66 said:
You seem hung up on the word "pirated". It is a term that has little meaning in law. You are using software outside the terms of its license, therefore you are using unlicensed software.
Whether pirated has little or no meaning in law is not the point. It has an accepted meaning. You know what is meant by it. The person accusing me of using pirated software obviously meant something by it.You seem to agree that I do not use pirated software. At last; my point must have been well made.
Anyway I’m pleased to see that we agree. I can sleep soundly tonight.
The sellers of Windows on ebay will suggest that they are acting perfectly legally by selling the software. The argument seems to convince ebay, and Amazon I believe. If the sellers are not acting outside the licence then it is good enough for me. It might be clever reading of the licence, but that’s what the law is all about.
You seem to disagree. OK, that is your right, but I would point out that the big companies, including MS it would appear as they could stop it quite easily, feel it is legal, or maybe on MS’s point of view, difficult to contradict.
The bit of my post which you deemed irrelevant refers to the suggestion that my conduct was so criminal that I should not be able to sleep at night. If you merely did not feel it was relevant to the point you were making, then you should have just left it out.
I paid for Win7 when I bought my laptop. Not the high price charged by MS for individual copies, which I believe was ruled unlawful by the EU, resale price maintenance and all that, but the much cheaper one to the manufacturer of my laptop, the price being reduced in order to make it unprofitable for software manufacturers to compete with MS on equal footing. The practice being outlawed by the EU seems to have little effect on this. It seems laws in this matter are all one way.
Due to some fault with my software I was unable to use the horrible OS. MS would not be interested in my problem so I took my own steps to rectify my distress.
By the way, on the example of the book I used, whom do you consider is acting unlawfully?
mp3manager said:
JimSuperSix said:
Funny how both my work and home PC are up to date , then the day after that there's yet another fricking update that pops up right in the middle of a gaming session. It's a crap system that is overly intrusive.
It's not if you have Win 10 Pro, as you can defer all updates for months. JimSuperSix said:
My work PC has win 10 Pro on it , yet it still pops up an update message almost every day despite frequently being left overnight to update , typically it occurs right when I am trying to test something out. Aside from that one thing I really like Win10, but the update policy is just ridiculous. As a user of Photoshop and 3dsmax its quite a regular occurrence to have to reboot the PC (or have it crash), and when windows then decides to update upon reboot I'm left sitting there for half an hour while it pisses around.....argh , drives me mad.
When these notifications pop-up do you dismiss them or do the update?Derek Smith said:
Whether pirated has little or no meaning in law is not the point. It has an accepted meaning. You know what is meant by it. The person accusing me of using pirated software obviously meant something by it.
You seem to agree that I do not use pirated software. At last; my point must have been well made.
Anyway I’m pleased to see that we agree. I can sleep soundly tonight.
The sellers of Windows on ebay will suggest that they are acting perfectly legally by selling the software. The argument seems to convince ebay, and Amazon I believe. If the sellers are not acting outside the licence then it is good enough for me. It might be clever reading of the licence, but that’s what the law is all about.
You seem to disagree. OK, that is your right, but I would point out that the big companies, including MS it would appear as they could stop it quite easily, feel it is legal, or maybe on MS’s point of view, difficult to contradict.
The bit of my post which you deemed irrelevant refers to the suggestion that my conduct was so criminal that I should not be able to sleep at night. If you merely did not feel it was relevant to the point you were making, then you should have just left it out.
I paid for Win7 when I bought my laptop. Not the high price charged by MS for individual copies, which I believe was ruled unlawful by the EU, resale price maintenance and all that, but the much cheaper one to the manufacturer of my laptop, the price being reduced in order to make it unprofitable for software manufacturers to compete with MS on equal footing. The practice being outlawed by the EU seems to have little effect on this. It seems laws in this matter are all one way.
Due to some fault with my software I was unable to use the horrible OS. MS would not be interested in my problem so I took my own steps to rectify my distress.
By the way, on the example of the book I used, whom do you consider is acting unlawfully?
Derek is totally in the right here. A similar thing happened to me.You seem to agree that I do not use pirated software. At last; my point must have been well made.
Anyway I’m pleased to see that we agree. I can sleep soundly tonight.
The sellers of Windows on ebay will suggest that they are acting perfectly legally by selling the software. The argument seems to convince ebay, and Amazon I believe. If the sellers are not acting outside the licence then it is good enough for me. It might be clever reading of the licence, but that’s what the law is all about.
You seem to disagree. OK, that is your right, but I would point out that the big companies, including MS it would appear as they could stop it quite easily, feel it is legal, or maybe on MS’s point of view, difficult to contradict.
The bit of my post which you deemed irrelevant refers to the suggestion that my conduct was so criminal that I should not be able to sleep at night. If you merely did not feel it was relevant to the point you were making, then you should have just left it out.
I paid for Win7 when I bought my laptop. Not the high price charged by MS for individual copies, which I believe was ruled unlawful by the EU, resale price maintenance and all that, but the much cheaper one to the manufacturer of my laptop, the price being reduced in order to make it unprofitable for software manufacturers to compete with MS on equal footing. The practice being outlawed by the EU seems to have little effect on this. It seems laws in this matter are all one way.
Due to some fault with my software I was unable to use the horrible OS. MS would not be interested in my problem so I took my own steps to rectify my distress.
By the way, on the example of the book I used, whom do you consider is acting unlawfully?
I worked all week for my employer and they paid me with a lovely shiny five pound note. I put this in my wallet, but unfortunately I lost it.
Now I can definitely prove I earned it and my friend Tim said he saw me put it in my wallet.
So I asked Susan at work for the stationary cupboard key so I could "get a new pen". What I actually did was take £5 worth of stationary.
I'm definitely not a thief, I spoke to a legal secretary I met on tinder and after explaining the situation to her for an hour, she told me it was "Ok" and she left because she was up early in the morning.
My company parade around as if their only goal in the world is to make money, and they have lost an unfair dismissal case against Peter who went off sick with stress for 2 years. They also were fined by the HMRC for late submission of some paperwork, so i'm so tired of their shady business practices.
Anyway, if it was illegal then the company would have gone after Susan for giving me the key in the first place.
So, Derek, you're totally not using Windows illegally, and no court in the land would convict you, except for those nasty establishment, judge run courts of course.
Penelope Stoppedit said:
Buy Windows 10 Home $119.99
Anything less, I think it a bad idea to be advertising what you are using here on the internet
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/windows-10...
Going on the above price of Windows 10 being $119.99, this is the price that Microsoft want to be banking for each one sold. Not that I will ever be installing Windows 10 on any of my PC's but, if I was offered a Windows 10 Key, pre activated Disc or whatever at a price much less than the Manufacturer was charging, I would be very suspicious of how the goods being offered were so much less than the Manufacturers price and would definitely suspect something dodgy was taking placeAnything less, I think it a bad idea to be advertising what you are using here on the internet
https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/windows-10...
If I was offered a vehicle worth $100,000 for $1000 I would definitely suspect something dodgy was taking place
Is it an offence to purchase dodgy goods? That is the question
devnull said:
Ebay keys. I can get them for pennies, the media from MS. If it activates, that's all i care about.
Which is fine and entirely up to you. It's when people claim that they're legitimate and that they're not doing anything against the license conditions, or (worse, IMO) that Microsoft deserve to have people rip off their software that annoys us.zippy3x said:
Derek is totally in the right here. A similar thing happened to me.
I worked all week for my employer and they paid me with a lovely shiny five pound note. I put this in my wallet, but unfortunately I lost it.
Now I can definitely prove I earned it and my friend Tim said he saw me put it in my wallet.
So I asked Susan at work for the stationary cupboard key so I could "get a new pen". What I actually did was take £5 worth of stationary.
I'm definitely not a thief, I spoke to a legal secretary I met on tinder and after explaining the situation to her for an hour, she told me it was "Ok" and she left because she was up early in the morning.
My company parade around as if their only goal in the world is to make money, and they have lost an unfair dismissal case against Peter who went off sick with stress for 2 years. They also were fined by the HMRC for late submission of some paperwork, so i'm so tired of their shady business practices.
Anyway, if it was illegal then the company would have gone after Susan for giving me the key in the first place.
So, Derek, you're totally not using Windows illegally, and no court in the land would convict you, except for those nasty establishment, judge run courts of course.
Well that's a lovely little story. It has no application to my situation of course. It is totally irrelevant. What you describe is stealing. I worked all week for my employer and they paid me with a lovely shiny five pound note. I put this in my wallet, but unfortunately I lost it.
Now I can definitely prove I earned it and my friend Tim said he saw me put it in my wallet.
So I asked Susan at work for the stationary cupboard key so I could "get a new pen". What I actually did was take £5 worth of stationary.
I'm definitely not a thief, I spoke to a legal secretary I met on tinder and after explaining the situation to her for an hour, she told me it was "Ok" and she left because she was up early in the morning.
My company parade around as if their only goal in the world is to make money, and they have lost an unfair dismissal case against Peter who went off sick with stress for 2 years. They also were fined by the HMRC for late submission of some paperwork, so i'm so tired of their shady business practices.
Anyway, if it was illegal then the company would have gone after Susan for giving me the key in the first place.
So, Derek, you're totally not using Windows illegally, and no court in the land would convict you, except for those nasty establishment, judge run courts of course.
Not using Windows according to the licence is not stealing.
What would me more apt would be:
"I worked all week for my employer and they paid me with a lovely shiny five pound note. I put this in my wallet, but unfortunately it fell apart and I was unable to buy anything with it."
MS has lost nothing. Is it that difficult to grasp? I, on the other hand, have paid for something which didn't work. Because of MS's systems I was unable to get it replaced. In the end I paid more money for it to be replaced.
If you can't tell the difference between stealing and what happened in my case, then there is no hope for you.
If you are suggesting there's a moral imperative, then come up with some fanciful little parable that is based on morality and not theft. However, should you go down that alleyway, then the fact that MS ignores the decisions of courts should be included in the storyline. In any case, morality is personal. I sleep well at night.
Here's something I kept back. The CD drive didn't activate due to the failure of the OS. I couldn't change the booting system so I was reduced to taking my laptop to a computer repairerer only for him to be able to get the code of the Win7. When I returned to pick up my laptop it was running. I gave my copy of Win7 to a friend for them to use although not until after I upgraded, if that's the word, to 10 just in case I experienced any of the problems others had in upgrading.
I have clones of the HDD, for both my laptop and my desktop. Indeed, I have two for the latter. This goes against the licence. So there I am, doubly/trebly guilty of stealing money from MS according to you. Another chance to come up with another story utterly and completely different to what actually went on?
I will tell my lawyer friend she's been compared to legal secretary in a cupboard. There is a certain irony in your comparison as it is obvious you have little understanding of the law. Your Susan would probably run rings around you.
Just to make it clear to you: it is not theft. I am not a thief.
Derek Smith said:
Just to make it clear to you: it is not theft. I am not a thief.
You are the only one to have used the word theft. And yes, copyright infringement is indeed not theft ("intent to permanently deprive"). That doesn't mean it's not illegal.Out of interest, what is your solicitor friend's area of speciality? As copyright law is very, very complex and I certainly wouldn't be looking to a non-specialist for advice, in the same way that I wouldn't ask a brain surgeon for advice on treating a verucca.
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