Apple admit to 'Slowing Down iPhones'

[ZesPak]

otolith said:

If the cost of removing this is unacceptably short battery life on older phones, I hope they're going to include a switch in settings to turn it back on.

If the battery is borked, it's borked.
It's not like this is untested waters, millions of 2yo and older smartphones around that are just running fine without software throttling.
Also, it was never put there to extend battery life, it was put there to avoid sudden shutdowns. (their words, not mine)

frisbee said:

Considerably less than that with Android phones judging by how many are stuck on ancient versions of the OS...

Two options :

1. keep the phone on the os it came with, so it works as it did out of the box, with the functionality it had when sold
2. push newer and newer os versions the phone was never build to run until the phone inevitably becomes slow and unstable

Is it just a hopeless effort at android bashing or am I missing something?

On top of that, is it relevant in this conversation? Do you want the iPhone to be more like an Android phone with their alledged build in redundancy?

[anonymous-user]

amusingduck said:

Blown2CV said:

all manufacturers of everything design for a defined and short lifetime. Most cars are designed specifically to only last 7 years and apparently that isn't a scandal.

It probably would be a scandal if they were remotely remapping your car to reduce it's power once it hit 60k miles

Don't worry, once cars are autonomous I'm sure this sort of thing will never ever happen....

[CharlieH89]

Blown2CV said:

i am very much not a devotee. I am currently sat waiting for apple store to repair the phone again after they broke it when doing the battery replacement. Admittedly I am sat with a glass of wine in selfridges but that's besides the point. I was mainly endeavouring to counter "the haters" and trolls, but clearly they don't exist and it's all a figment of my imagination. It's amazing how willing many people are to find a scandal these days. Maybe Apple didn't think they were doing a bad thing, and are now frantically trying to put it right. Many companies might have risked the "fk off" approach, but at least they are fronting up and trying to sort peoples' phones out.

I wonder how many phones Apple break when changing the battery. My brother in law had his iPhone 6s broke this week and they replaced his with I guess a refurbished one.

[frisbee]

ZesPak said:

Two options :

1. keep the phone on the os it came with, so it works as it did out of the box, with the functionality it had when sold
2. push newer and newer os versions the phone was never build to run until the phone inevitably becomes slow and unstable

Is it just a hopeless effort at android bashing or am I missing something?

On top of that, is it relevant in this conversation? Do you want the iPhone to be more like an Android phone with their alledged build in redundancy?

Sounds like you aren’t very happy with your poorly supported phone judging by how feebly you are justifying the manufacturer’s behaviour.
Have you thought about getting an iPhone? You do seem to love posting on threads about them.

[Craikeybaby]

Blown2CV said:

all manufacturers of everything design for a defined and short lifetime. Most cars are designed specifically to only last 7 years and apparently that isn't a scandal.

I've not heard of 7 years. We usually work to 10 years and 150,000 miles

[ZesPak]

frisbee said:

Sounds like you aren’t very happy with your poorly supported phone judging by how feebly you are justifying the manufacturer’s behaviour.
Have you thought about getting an iPhone? You do seem to love posting on threads about them.

Thanks for, once again, avoiding the question at hand.

As for your irrelevant questions :
I've owned several iPhones and tend to switch brands every now and then.
My current phones are still very well supported, again, how is this relevant.

Is deflection how you are dealing with this?

It's funny if some other phone does stuff better than yours, you shouldn't compare them. Yet all the iPhone fanboys seem to want to move this thread towards Android, something they they often demonstrate to have very little knowledge about.
I've never seen so many iPhone users talk about any other phone in one place.

Edited by ZesPak on Saturday 27th January 01:14

[Jimmy Recard]

ZesPak said:

Is there any message on how long they will keep the battery change at $30?

The UK site said that the battery change is £25 until December 2018

As for cars lasting 7 years...it’s been a while since I had one younger than that!

My 13 year old Vauxhall is from the other evil American corporation that everyone loves to hate, General Motors. But whenever it needs a part the Vauxhall dealer or another supplier gets it quickly and cheaply and I can take it away to fit it myself. It rarely does need anything though

[frisbee]

ZesPak said:

Thanks for, once again, avoiding the question at hand.

As for your irrelevant questions :
I've owned several iPhones and tend to switch brands every now and then.
My current phones are still very well supported, again, how is this relevant.

Is deflection how you are dealing with this?

It's funny if some other phone does stuff better than yours, you shouldn't compare them. Yet all the iPhone fanboys seem to want to move this thread towards Android, something they they often demonstrate to have very little knowledge about.
I've never seen so many iPhone users talk about any other phone in one place.

Edited by ZesPak on Saturday 27th January 01:14

Don’t worry, I’m sure your fellow fandroids will forgive you for owning a few of the devil’s phones eventually.

[jmorgan]

I can only compare one non Apple phone so that is all I will talk about, that and the blackberry. Two phones then, and both I think no longer made?

[Jimmy Recard]

jmorgan said:

I can only compare one non Apple phone so that is all I will talk about, that and the blackberry. Two phones then, and both I think no longer made?

I’ve had several BlackBerry, Androids and iPhones over the years but just an iPhone at the moment.

I still think my Bold 9790 and then Z10 were my favourite of them all. Too old for me to use for everything now though. The iPhone I have now would be my very close runner up

Edited by Jimmy Recard on Saturday 27th January 09:15

[ZesPak]

frisbee said:

Don’t worry, I’m sure your fellow fandroids will forgive you for owning a few of the devil’s phones eventually.

Back then iPhones were generally good phones in the grand scheme of things. Decent screen and resolution, smooth os,...
Less functionality but that was made up by the smoothness and stability.
By now, it's all much of muchness. Because of my profession I use all sorts of devices, these days it takes me seconds to get used to one os or the other, there isn't much in it in functionally nor smoothness (android has become a lot smoother, ios has added a lot of functionality).

But all of this is still avoiding the issue at hand.
Putting up with stuff like this is dangerous for the consumers, and the very defensive attitude for a trillion dollar company by some individuals is mind-boggling.

I like to avoid terms like isheep, but "cult of Mac" sometimes seems more accurate than is healthy.

[gregs656]

ZesPak said:

But all of this is still avoiding the issue at hand.
Putting up with stuff like this is dangerous for the consumers, and the very defensive attitude for a trillion dollar company by some individuals is mind-boggling.

I don't think it's accurate to say people are putting up with it, as the pressure from bad press is surely the reason the throttling will be dropped in the next iOS update.

Rumours that the iPhone X will be discontinued in May of this year are perhaps a sign of the times as well.

[jamoor]

Jimmy Recard said:

ZesPak said:

Is there any message on how long they will keep the battery change at $30?

The UK site said that the battery change is £25 until December 2018

As for cars lasting 7 years...it’s been a while since I had one younger than that!

My 13 year old Vauxhall is from the other evil American corporation that everyone loves to hate, General Motors. But whenever it needs a part the Vauxhall dealer or another supplier gets it quickly and cheaply and I can take it away to fit it myself. It rarely does need anything though

This is true, the electronics industry needs regulating just like the car industry is to avoid manufacturer monopolies on service and repair.

[Burwood]

gregs656 said:

ZesPak said:

But all of this is still avoiding the issue at hand.
Putting up with stuff like this is dangerous for the consumers, and the very defensive attitude for a trillion dollar company by some individuals is mind-boggling.

I don't think it's accurate to say people are putting up with it, as the pressure from bad press is surely the reason the throttling will be dropped in the next iOS update.

Rumours that the iPhone X will be discontinued in May of this year are perhaps a sign of the times as well.

Except they won’t discontinue the X. As if Apple will do that. Next week you’ll see record earnings and profit. They couldn’t make enough. Just fake news.

[gregs656]

Burwood said:

Except they won’t discontinue the X. As if Apple will do that. Next week you’ll see record earnings and profit. They couldn’t make enough. Just fake news.

Arguably the best Apple analyst thinks it might happen, I think it's a possibility worth taking seriously. Not sure why you think they couldn't make enough, as they easily met demand over Christmas and the exclusive Samsung plant making the screens has slowed production.

He (Ming-Chi Kuo) reckons it will be dropped prior to the launch of the new 2018 lineup, which will effectively be 3 iPhone X like devices pitched at different price points.

[ZesPak]

gregs656 said:

Arguably the best Apple analyst thinks it might happen, I think it's a possibility worth taking seriously. Not sure why you think they couldn't make enough, as they easily met demand over Christmas and the exclusive Samsung plant making the screens has slowed production.

He (Ming-Chi Kuo) reckons it will be dropped prior to the launch of the new 2018 lineup, which will effectively be 3 iPhone X like devices pitched at different price points.

I'm wondering how they are going to handle the lineup next year. Usually the older models just keep on going but become the cheaper models.
With now a split line up, it'll be interesting to see what they do.

[Blown2CV]

jamoor said:

ZesPak said:

Blown2CV said:

all manufacturers of everything design for a defined and short lifetime. Most cars are designed specifically to only last 7 years and apparently that isn't a scandal.

It is to ME!
Can you please show me the source of this claim so that I can avoid these manufacturers?
I've had plenty of cars over 7 years old that ran perfectly and just needed easy to get replacement parts that can be installed by anyone with the proper amount of fingers. Are you saying I just picked the ones that weren't designed to stopped working after said period?

I know things aren't always designed to last long. I also know that things are tested to a certain use and extend. That's all everyday business.

What I don't know, and you do apparently, is that most things are MEANT to fail after X time. If I learn of any such practices from electronics, cars, bikes, appliances, I will avoid these manufacturers like the plague.

So please, give me an article that shows that a certain car was made to just last 7 years?

Sounds like something he made up tbh.

so you've never heard of in-built obsolescence then?

[jmorgan]

Maybe the speed of change is the reason? Yeas ago I bought a CRT tv. Lasted for ever with PAL transmissions. Then some clever people came up with mpeg and a way to use it.

Now have a new fangled flat screen and it is already out of date 18 months down the line. Bring out new faster chips and you get better faster software and different uses.

[ZesPak]

Blown2CV said:

so you've never heard of in-built obsolescence then?

Heard of it, never so blatantly as Apple portrais it though. Making something to a certain specification is still something completely different than a build in software feature.

Still have to experience it in a car myself.
We're still waiting with those articles about cars that have it. Just a couple is enough, since "most" cars have it anyway.

[Jordan210]

Since iv had the battery changed there has been a noticeable difference in performance.

Not once has the phone crashed when opening an app. Battery now lasts more than a day. So £25 well spent.

There was no way the old battery was running at 99% of its original capacity