Nvidia RTX graphics cards

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bloomen

6,895 posts

159 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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scorp said:
It's going to be a few generations, 4k@144 is around 9 times the bandwidth of 1080p@60.
Interesting. Looks like I'm in for a wait then. I wonder whether they're going to deflect that demand by creating the hype for other bells and whistles people don't yet know they need in their life.

A bit like 4K.

Spanna

3,732 posts

176 months

Wednesday 22nd August 2018
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bloomen said:
scorp said:
It's going to be a few generations, 4k@144 is around 9 times the bandwidth of 1080p@60.
Interesting. Looks like I'm in for a wait then. I wonder whether they're going to deflect that demand by creating the hype for other bells and whistles people don't yet know they need in their life.

A bit like 4K.
I play on a 144hz 2K screen. The 1080 handles PUBG with settings other than shadows, foliage and post processing at Ultra at a steady 120+ fps.

I’d pick refresh rate over a higher res.

scorp

8,783 posts

229 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Spanna said:
I play on a 144hz 2K screen. The 1080 handles PUBG with settings other than shadows, foliage and post processing at Ultra at a steady 120+ fps.

I’d pick refresh rate over a higher res.
Definitely. After using 100/120/144hz, 60hz looks prehistoric and jerky. 1080p is fine for action games.

130R

6,810 posts

206 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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They haven't shown any graphs with generation on generation FPS improvement yet. It's all been about ray tracing performance which is something the previous gen cards weren't built for. Realistically would expect a 20 to 25% improvement.

Bullett

10,886 posts

184 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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I'd not really looked into these yet, as I wasn't in the market, but I was thinking the same thing. If no current cards support RT then no game will be built with them so the value is minimal until they are common. Now, I'm sure Nvidia has been working with devs so the lag isn't huge but it's going to be a while until it's commonplace.

It will be conventional benches that matter for now.

130R

6,810 posts

206 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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They announced 21 games so far that will support RT. Probably the biggest upcoming games in that list are Battlefield 5, Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Metro Exodus. The performance of Tomb Raider with RT enabled seemed to be quite bad according to one guy that demoed it, but of course this is with early access everything including drivers.

Monty Python

4,812 posts

197 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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130R said:
They announced 21 games so far that will support RT. Probably the biggest upcoming games in that list are Battlefield 5, Shadow of the Tomb Raider and Metro Exodus. The performance of Tomb Raider with RT enabled seemed to be quite bad according to one guy that demoed it, but of course this is with early access everything including drivers.
The demos of Tomb Raider/Metro were done using real-time ray tracing, so there's nothing to compare the results to as there are no other GPUs than can do this. Only when games are run on the 20 series using the same rasterization method that all other cards use will a direct comparison be made.

https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-rtx-2080-gam...

Clockwork Cupcake

74,558 posts

272 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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I'm currently running an overclocked MSI GTX 980 so this announcement is great - it's either going to be a fantastic card and worth the money, or it is going to depress the prices of the GTX 1080Ti.

Either way, I think I could be due an upgrade. smile

Edit: I'm currently running a 3440x1440 screen and the GTX 980 seems to cope with this. I was running Prey in full graphics at this res.


anonymous said:
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I'd be interested in one of them. Reviews notwithstanding etc.


Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Thursday 23 August 11:52

Clockwork Cupcake

74,558 posts

272 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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essayer said:
wisbech said:
Some people spend much more than that on a watch! Other people’s hobbies are wierd...
Sure, but the price of graphics cards is like 4-5x what it used to be - no other PC component has spiked upwards so much and the features aren't that groundbreaking

Is it people just buying and hoping that prices stay elevated due to the cryptomining boom?
I agree. It used to be that whenever I upgraded my graphics card to the latest shiny, I'd budget around £450 for the new card, sell the old card for around £200, making the cost to change a palatable £250-odd.

Now top end graphics cards are nearer double that or more. Crazy.

scorp

8,783 posts

229 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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anonymous said:
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Yeah you will need support built in for ray-tracing, it's quite different to existing 3D methods. Some none-raytracing features like the DLSS anti-aliasing can be enabled on most existing games though.

MintyScot

848 posts

192 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Welcome to the world of ram price fixing, along with high ram demand due to the mobile market, mining craze pushing demand up for almost all cards and and almost complete lack of competition.

£1200 is mainly the result of a dominant company screwing over its customer base though. A bit like Intel prior to AMD's cpu comeback.

The gfx market desperately needs competition. It needs AMD to reenter the high end arena and probably Intel to start making inroads (I believe this is its plan anyway).

I have a £600 nVidia 1080 and I have no intention of handing over double that for a gfx card.

Monty Python

4,812 posts

197 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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MintyScot said:
Welcome to the world of ram price fixing, along with high ram demand due to the mobile market, mining craze pushing demand up for almost all cards and and almost complete lack of competition.

£1200 is mainly the result of a dominant company screwing over its customer base though. A bit like Intel prior to AMD's cpu comeback.

The gfx market desperately needs competition. It needs AMD to reenter the high end arena and probably Intel to start making inroads (I believe this is its plan anyway).

I have a £600 nVidia 1080 and I have no intention of handing over double that for a gfx card.
As you say, you don't have to buy one if you don't like the price. If nobody bought one then Nvidia would have to drop the price, but there are enough peole out there with more money that sense that it'll sell.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,558 posts

272 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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I'm surprised that nobody has entered the market with a cut-down optimised-for-mining number-crunching card based on GPU technology.

If they did, and if the price point was right (or the price-to-power ratio, or whatever metric makes a GPU desirable for mining) then I reckon that GPU pricing might become sane again.

Matthen

1,292 posts

151 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Monty Python said:
MintyScot said:
Welcome to the world of ram price fixing, along with high ram demand due to the mobile market, mining craze pushing demand up for almost all cards and and almost complete lack of competition.

£1200 is mainly the result of a dominant company screwing over its customer base though. A bit like Intel prior to AMD's cpu comeback.

The gfx market desperately needs competition. It needs AMD to reenter the high end arena and probably Intel to start making inroads (I believe this is its plan anyway).

I have a £600 nVidia 1080 and I have no intention of handing over double that for a gfx card.
As you say, you don't have to buy one if you don't like the price. If nobody bought one then Nvidia would have to drop the price, but there are enough peole out there with more money that sense that it'll sell.
2080 Ti Founders edition is already sold out, from what I've heard.

essayer

9,067 posts

194 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Matthen said:
2080 Ti Founders edition is already sold out, from what I've heard.
Will that be miners buying them all up? I don't know what's minable on a GPU with all the different coins now

Spanna

3,732 posts

176 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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essayer said:
Will that be miners buying them all up? I don't know what's minable on a GPU with all the different coins now
I imagine it’s people hedging their bets that the founders edition will stay out of stock so they can ship on for a premium.

Monty Python

4,812 posts

197 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Matthen said:
2080 Ti Founders edition is already sold out, from what I've heard.
How can they be sold out when they've not even come on sale yet? All the sites I've been to just have them as pre-order.

bloomen

6,895 posts

159 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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scorp said:
Definitely. After using 100/120/144hz, 60hz looks prehistoric and jerky. 1080p is fine for action games.
I got a 144hz laptop the other day. Though it is just about possible to tell it's smoother in general operations I truly can't say I care in the slightest.

Clockwork Cupcake

74,558 posts

272 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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scorp said:
Definitely. After using 100/120/144hz, 60hz looks prehistoric and jerky. 1080p is fine for action games.
I'm not entirely convinced that my eyes update 144,000 times a second. smile


Monty Python

4,812 posts

197 months

Thursday 23rd August 2018
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
I'm not entirely convinced that my eyes update 144,000 times a second. smile
Isn't Hz "per second", so 144Hz is 144 times per second?