Apple Product Launch 12 September

[bad company]

Tony1963 said:

Just Hotspot it off an iPhone. Easy.

Can I do that with a Wifi only iPad?

[Tony1963]

Yes. My wife does exactly this. It’s pretty much the whole point of the Hotspot feature.

[bad company]

Tony1963 said:

Yes. My wife does exactly this. It’s pretty much the whole point of the Hotspot feature.

Thanks. I can’t try it at the moment as I’m out of the country but will do when I’m back.

[Bullitt Five-Oh]

bad company said:

Tony1963 said:

Yes. My wife does exactly this. It’s pretty much the whole point of the Hotspot feature.

Thanks. I can’t try it at the moment as I’m out of the country but will do when I’m back.

I thought you had an issue with "navigation apps like Navmii" not working - i.e. lacking GPS signal, not lack of internet? What cellular version adds is GPS reception which is what you're missing in your WiFi only model and hotspot off of another device won't help you with that.

[hyphen]

300bhp/ton said:

I’m amazed Apple have never offered a mini or “Nano” iPhone.

Would be cheaper, would take sales from bigger models.

[bad company]

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

I thought you had an issue with "navigation apps like Navmii" not working - i.e. lacking GPS signal, not lack of internet? What cellular version adds is GPS reception which is what you're missing in your WiFi only model and hotspot off of another device won't help you with that.

That’s what I thought. Then I thought maybe use gps from my iPhone and hotspot to iPad. Sounds like that’s not gonna work.

[Tony1963]

Apologies. A real brain-fart moment for me.

[Zoon]

bad company said:

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

I thought you had an issue with "navigation apps like Navmii" not working - i.e. lacking GPS signal, not lack of internet? What cellular version adds is GPS reception which is what you're missing in your WiFi only model and hotspot off of another device won't help you with that.

That’s what I thought. Then I thought maybe use gps from my iPhone and hotspot to iPad. Sounds like that’s not gonna work.

Daft question but can't you install the app on the phone and use it that way?

[Bullitt Five-Oh]

bad company said:

Bullitt Five-Oh said:

I thought you had an issue with "navigation apps like Navmii" not working - i.e. lacking GPS signal, not lack of internet? What cellular version adds is GPS reception which is what you're missing in your WiFi only model and hotspot off of another device won't help you with that.

That’s what I thought. Then I thought maybe use gps from my iPhone and hotspot to iPad. Sounds like that’s not gonna work.

What's interesting is that Apple Watch does just that (takes GPS signal from the iPhone via BT). Presumably they could do that for iPad too but obviously they don't want to since it'd mean less $$$ from selling cellular iPads.

[Dracoro]

Apple Watch series 2, 3 & 4 all have on board GPS chip.

[Bullitt Five-Oh]

Dracoro said:

Apple Watch series 2, 3 & 4 all have on board GPS chip.

Well yeah, the first gen didn't and the second gen had a non-GPS and GPS versions, but that's not the point. In both cases it worked as described above so the technical capability is there.

[montecristo]

I went to see the XS and XR at the Apple store and the XR shows more text on a web page than the XS. Same font size etc.

Why is this when the XS screen is a little bit smaller but has much higher resolution?

[Durzel]

Display scaling?

XS Max shows the same amount of stuff as the XS, just bigger.

[robbieduncan]

Durzel said:

Display scaling?

XS Max shows the same amount of stuff as the XS, just bigger.

Pretty sure that's not true unless the Max is set to zoomed display rather than Standard.

iOS renders in points rather than pixels to virtualise away the retinal displays. XS Max is 414×896 points, XR is 414×896 points, the XS is 375x812. If you then want to compare with older, notch free phones you need to consider safe areas. This is a great resource for understanding how much stuff any given iPhone can display compared to another: https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/ultimate-guide-t...

Note that whilst the XS Max and XR have the same number of points the XS Max has more physical pixels so might have sharper text if you have eagle eyesight.

[Bullitt Five-Oh]

robbieduncan said:

Pretty sure that's not true unless the Max is set to zoomed display rather than Standard.

iOS renders in points rather than pixels to virtualise away the retinal displays. XS Max is 414×896 points, XR is 414×896 points, the XS is 375x812. If you then want to compare with older, notch free phones you need to consider safe areas. This is a great resource for understanding how much stuff any given iPhone can display compared to another: https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/ultimate-guide-t...

Note that whilst the XS Max and XR have the same number of points the XS Max has more physical pixels so might have sharper text if you have eagle eyesight.

That's a great website, thanks for sharing, it clearly explains all the silly resolutions Apple use.

As for the text sharpness, I could see the difference between XR and XS straight away demoing in the store and once you see it it's hard to unsee.

[Davislove]

Durzel said:

Display scaling?

XS Max shows the same amount of stuff as the XS, just bigger.

Not so. More area shown in safari for example:

[Durzel]

Fair enough, consider myself educated

[HorneyMX5]

Picking up a new MBA tonight after 12+ great months with an iPad Pro. I love the iPad but iOS just isn't quite enough to do what I want without being a pain in the rectum at times.

[13aines]

robbieduncan said:

Pretty sure that's not true unless the Max is set to zoomed display rather than Standard.

iOS renders in points rather than pixels to virtualise away the retinal displays. XS Max is 414×896 points, XR is 414×896 points, the XS is 375x812. If you then want to compare with older, notch free phones you need to consider safe areas. This is a great resource for understanding how much stuff any given iPhone can display compared to another: https://www.paintcodeapp.com/news/ultimate-guide-t...

Note that whilst the XS Max and XR have the same number of points the XS Max has more physical pixels so might have sharper text if you have eagle eyesight.

That's interesting, so 6/7/8+ vs. X/XS - X/XS has 9% less space on screen with respect to width, but gains just over 10% in screen real estate in terms of height?

[robbieduncan]

13aines said:

That's interesting, so 6/7/8+ vs. X/XS - X/XS has 9% less space on screen with respect to width, but gains just over 10% in screen real estate in terms of height?

it's worse once you consider the safe areas on the X/XS screen: normal apps (not games/full screen video apps) should allow for the home indicator at the bottom, status bar and navigation bar at the top and margins left and right. So that's 16 points left and right off the horizontal and at least 78 points off the vertical for the status bar and home indicator. The actual usable number of points on an iPhone X/XS is the same vertical as an 8+ and less horizontal. The XS Max/XR is larger even allowing for safe area