Can I fake GPS location?

[Nezquick]

Sounds to me like they know people are taking the piss with time keeping and I suspect they know exactly who those people are already. This will be a way of weeding them out.

However, I really don't agree with them being able to track you using your own phone. What they should do is actually confront the piss-takers directly and discipline them if necessary rather than going by the back door and feeding some BS story to everyone to make everyone comply.

I suspect a formal disciplinary of those involved will have the desired effect of getting everyone else in line anyway.

[xjay1337]

Nezquick said:

Sounds to me like they know people are taking the piss with time keeping and I suspect they know exactly who those people are already. This will be a way of weeding them out.

However, I really don't agree with them being able to track you using your own phone. What they should do is actually confront the piss-takers directly and discipline them if necessary rather than going by the back door and feeding some BS story to everyone to make everyone comply.

I suspect a formal disciplinary of those involved will have the desired effect of getting everyone else in line anyway.

I disagree otherwise they would simply invest in a finger print clocking in machine !!!!!!!!

[Chrisgr31]

Surely the whole point is that if the OP can find out how easy it is to fake the system then those all have to be clocking in and out in this way,they are trying to catch out will also fake it.

It plainly has nothing to do with fire regs or we would all have to be doing it.

The problem with this sort of thing it upsets the hardworkers and those that do what they are meant to whilst those who are taking the michael continue to. The end result being the guys you want to keep leave and you end up with all the dross.

[Fore Left]

Not that anyone's bothered checking but Deputy is a complete staff scheduling and timesheeting solution. Clocking in and out is just one aspect of it so I doubt this is simply about chasing up the slackers and more about making the business more efficient. Still, shouldn't let that stop anyone folding their tinfoil into a hat

https://www.deputy.com/

[eccles]

Nezquick said:

Sounds to me like they know people are taking the piss with time keeping and I suspect they know exactly who those people are already. This will be a way of weeding them out.

However, I really don't agree with them being able to track you using your own phone. What they should do is actually confront the piss-takers directly and discipline them if necessary rather than going by the back door and feeding some BS story to everyone to make everyone comply.

I suspect a formal disciplinary of those involved will have the desired effect of getting everyone else in line anyway.

In my experience most bosses will take the easy option. Instead of tackling the minority who abuse things, they collectively bk/punish the whole work force. If they just did the job they're paid to do life would be much simpler.

[tangerine_sedge]

deckster said:

tangerine_sedge said:

Tell them you'd love to, but you're worried that they might be breaking the law. Ask them if they have a gdpr complaint policy for holding this information.

Whilst they spend the next 6 months talking to their legal guys, you can find a job with a company which treat their staff with respect.

To which of course the answer is "absolutely yes", because this is their data held about their employees in the course of carrying out their business.

This is personal data, and the company is acting as the data controller, therefore it should have policy detailing where it is held, how it is secured, who has access, what the aging and deletion policy is and the process for SAR. If they can do that, then they are complying with gdpr.

On the other hand, if they are relying on people using their personal phones to do this, then they seem to be a 2 bit company that probably hasn't invested in understanding their gdpr commitments either.

[Jader1973]

Otispunkmeyer said:

I'm not sure our lot do this, but when they finally had to give up the windows phones and shift everyone to iOS, there were a bundle of apps on it in a folder. One is IBM Maas360 , I opened it. It seems to be an app for remotely managing devices? but I notice it logs the location of the device.

No evidence that they're even looking at this, but they have just essentially handed everyone tracking devices without saying a word.

We have that app plus several more on our work phones for “security” purposes - seems they can monitor everything on the phone.

As soon as they started adding those apps I got my own personal mobile and the work one is now only turned on between 8:30 and 6 on weekdays.

ETA: one of our old fleet customers started fitting GPS trackers to their vehicles. The older blokes took exception to being watched and unplugged them. They didn’t know that a) they had a battery, and b) they sent a message when they were unplugged!

Edited by Jader1973 on Saturday 16th November 09:15

[V8 WUU]

I think some of you guys have missed the point (its about winding up management).

I don't start work at 6am, more like 8am, so when the boss see's ive been at work since 6am.......

Anyway he did not notice (or care).


Im going to set my location at a different location each day next week......

Just set my location to San Fransisco for Monday. (and will just clock in when I get to work).


However one drawback of using a different country is it changes your phone's time, have had to turn off automatic time zone change.

[PAULJ5555]

V8 WUU said:

I think some of you guys have missed the point (its about winding up management).

I don't start work at 6am, more like 8am, so when the boss see's ive been at work since 6am.......

Anyway he did not notice (or care).


Im going to set my location at a different location each day next week......

Just set my location to San Fransisco for Monday. (and will just clock in when I get to work).


However one drawback of using a different country is it changes your phone's time, have had to turn off automatic time zone change.

Wind him up even more and get a non gps phone or come to work without your phone or dead battery.

[Starfighter]

Set your location to his house for an hour once a week when his other half is at home.

[DanL]

What is the point? Do it or don’t, but why bother messing around?

[dhutch]

Troubleatmill said:

That is the most compelling reason to leave an organisation.

"Our employees are our most valuable resource - we track their phones to clock in.."?

V8 WUU said:

..I am salaried,..

We had the same at my last place of work, you had to clock in (between 7.30 and 9:30) for fire/lateness, then onto the right job code (which is what started you flexi) , then onto lunch between 12:30 and One, then off again (but not within 20mins, if was more than 30mins it came off you flexi time) then leave between 4 and 6, you could stay beyond 6 but it didn't count towards your flexi, laterely 5pm on a friday.

If you where 5 mins late, or short on making up your 80hours a fortnight flexi, it kicked off a load of stroppy emails from HR (one receptionist on a power trip) and the lost time rolled over to the next fortnight flexi block.
Even if the reason for being half an hour down is that fortnight was that your partners father had died that week, was based a 5 hours drive away, and in the middle of all of that you had also forgot the week before they had changed the friday finish time from 6pm to 5pm without consultation.

Any one stupid enough to spent time in during a weekend (?) was unpaid, and even the flexi went onto the past week not the coming week, which basically suppered doing and short days after a saturday morning.

Unsurprisingly they had high staff turnover and low staff moral.

How can you get to a situation where you have qualified graduate mechanical engineers with a decades industry experience trusted to design and oversee the fitting of safety critical man-riding single point failure lift systems on mod boats worth literally millions, yet you cant trust them to take a reasonable amount of time to eat a sandwich in an open plan office and mez floor. Tossers!


Rant over.

Daniel

[V8 WUU]

And my location this week

[NordicCrankShaft]

Weirdly, I've just started doing work for someone on a freelance and they wanted me to use this app. Politely told them to get stuffed.

Not the first company to try, Apps like this are rife within the hospitality sector and becoming ever more popular.

[r3g]

collinng said:

GPS location spoofing, which involves faking your location, does exist

Would you happen to be selling such a service?

[OutInTheShed]

collinng said:

GPS location spoofing, which involves faking your location, does exist

Just need to get the time travel sorted, then matey from 2019 will be happy.

[Timothy Bucktu]

r3g said:

collinng said:

GPS location spoofing, which involves faking your location, does exist

Would you happen to be selling such a service?

There's loads of free apps that spoof your GPS location. They've been around for years.

[Terminator X]

TonyRPH said:

red_slr said:

As a business owner this does amuse me, not in a good way.
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I'm self employed and don't employ anybody.

But following conversations with various tradespeople over the past couple of years, it would seem that companies are seeing electronic snooping as a way of boosting productivity.

Whilst there will always be the piss takers, I would like to think that snooping to this extreme is really unnecessary.

Back in the 80's I was a TV repairman for several years, and my daily workload was manageable although there were days when I had to work over in order to complete the assigned calls for the day.

So it's give and take.

But this monitoring mentality is turning into a take, take, take mentality which only serves to alienate employees so I just don't see the point, as now every one just wants to do as much as they have to and no more.

Therefore I think employers (and their customers) are losing out ultimately.

If an employer wants to monitor timekeeping then time to start at 0900 and leave at 1700. No give and take cuts both ways.

TX.

[r3g]

Timothy Bucktu said:

r3g said:

collinng said:

GPS location spoofing, which involves faking your location, does exist

Would you happen to be selling such a service?

There's loads of free apps that spoof your GPS location. They've been around for years.

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[pocketspring]

One of the main reasons I left my old company was because they gave us a phone to do "POP" points. (Proof Of Presence.) It was a pain in the backside. You had to do so many within an hour. If you missed any, you had to give a reason why at the end. Three months of it and I was out of there. I had been there 5 years and been in the industry 21 years and it was the first time I had ever had to do it due to a new company taking over and being obsessed with statistics. Within two months of me leaving, two others left and they still can't find replacements for us. Due to the time constraint, no one bothered checking the areas. We just scanned the POP point and then moved on to the next. The stupid thing was we had to swipe into each area anyway with our ID cards!