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mikef

4,882 posts

252 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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RizzoTheRat said:
mikef said:
Yes, although a known issue is that running Plex prevents hibernation.
I did not know that. Is there a workaround like a scheduler that shuts down and restarts plex at certain times?
There are various recipes on the web for that. I just manually start up Plex if I want to use it


dapprman

2,325 posts

268 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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bmwmike said:
qnap 451? interesting, thanks.
Out of interest do you have a lot of media on yours and streaming services running ? - does sound like you have a rogue process running some where. I would suggest checking the [utl=http://forum.qnap.com/]QNAP forums[/url] but then if it is a known problem there's no guarantees QNAP will look at it (it's accepted they no longer appear to read the forums).

When I got my first QNAP unit they were great but in recent times they seem to spend more time looking at what they can add than fixing existing issues. Having said that, while my 219P has not been supported for 2 to 3 years now, they still provide regular security updates for it. If/when I come to upgrade/replace mine I have already decided I will ask around for the recent experiences of Synology users.

Having said that the reason I bought my present unit when upgrading was partly due to it's HDMI connectivity and the HybridDesk Station functionality (desk top for TV set with various graphical apps including media streaming) and while much of that functionality has been lost over time, part of it was down to YouTube changing the licensing of their app (believe the Synology TV desktop equivalent also lost the YouTube app - and moot as my TV now does this in 4K) and partly down to their change in codex package, again due to licensing. Present one does a fraction of the video formats out there.

bmwmike

6,954 posts

109 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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dapprman said:
bmwmike said:
qnap 451? interesting, thanks.
Out of interest do you have a lot of media on yours and streaming services running ? - does sound like you have a rogue process running some where. I would suggest checking the [utl=http://forum.qnap.com/]QNAP forums[/url] but then if it is a known problem there's no guarantees QNAP will look at it (it's accepted they no longer appear to read the forums).

When I got my first QNAP unit they were great but in recent times they seem to spend more time looking at what they can add than fixing existing issues. Having said that, while my 219P has not been supported for 2 to 3 years now, they still provide regular security updates for it. If/when I come to upgrade/replace mine I have already decided I will ask around for the recent experiences of Synology users.

Having said that the reason I bought my present unit when upgrading was partly due to it's HDMI connectivity and the HybridDesk Station functionality (desk top for TV set with various graphical apps including media streaming) and while much of that functionality has been lost over time, part of it was down to YouTube changing the licensing of their app (believe the Synology TV desktop equivalent also lost the YouTube app - and moot as my TV now does this in 4K) and partly down to their change in codex package, again due to licensing. Present one does a fraction of the video formats out there.
Yeah i've dug into all that. Those forums are not what they used to be. Its several qnap processes/packages writing to logical disk rather than ramdisk. For example, they even had docker running in debug verbose mode, which is stupid - very chatty, and logging to disk, so of course they never spin down.

I bought mine for its HDMI connection and USB 3 but those are hopelessly out of reach in the attic. It would make a poor streaming server because its so noisy (partly due to disk choice for sure).


Clockwork Cupcake

74,596 posts

273 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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Some HDDs are noisier / more chatty than others.

I had WD Red exclusively in my NAS tower for years and they were very quiet. Then I added an array of Toshiba N300 8TB HDDs and have found them to be much more chattty / chuntery / noisy.

Fortunately I have a small downstairs box room well away from anything else, which is my library & storage room, and have relocated the NAS to there where it can be as noisy as it wants because I can't hear it. smile


Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Wednesday 8th December 11:52

bmwmike

6,954 posts

109 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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Clockwork Cupcake said:
Some HDDs are noisier / more chatty than others.

I had WD Red exclusively in my NAS tower for years and they were very quiet. Then I added an array of Toshiba N300 8TB HDDs and have found them to be much more chattty / chuntery / noisy.

Fortunately I have a small downstairs box room well away from anything else, which is my library & storage room, and have relocated the NAS to there where it can be as noisy as it wants because I can't hear it. smile


Edited by Clockwork Cupcake on Wednesday 8th December 11:52
Yah thats good and all, but endless chattering tickles my eco funny-bone - why are they running when not needed, etc. What i should have done, and may well do, is have a small SSD cache at the front and use the NAS as a proxy to AWS S3. The NAS can handle encryption key management and S3 is just a back-end. No idea if i need to build that or if there is something that does it already. I think the NAS software does some of it.

eeLee

760 posts

81 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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You can set the HDDs to quiet mode in the Control Panel, certainly of DSM

For media servers, Serviio is what I choose smile

Magnum 475

3,549 posts

133 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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anonymous said:
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I've found the opposite - WD Reds I've struggled to get more than 3 years out of in my Synologies. But that's probably because I'm running Surveillance Station with multiple cameras, so they're in constant use. I'm currently trying Seagate IronWolf drives to see if they last any longer. The synology drive failure warning is very useful though!


xeny

4,309 posts

79 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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eeLee said:
You can set the HDDs to quiet mode in the Control Panel, certainly of DSM
Isn't that fan behaviour, not HDDs?

DavidY

4,459 posts

285 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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Magnum 475 said:
anonymous said:
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I've found the opposite - WD Reds I've struggled to get more than 3 years out of in my Synologies. But that's probably because I'm running Surveillance Station with multiple cameras, so they're in constant use. I'm currently trying Seagate IronWolf drives to see if they last any longer. The synology drive failure warning is very useful though!
WD Reds are not the right tool for Surveillance Station - The correct drive for that is WD Purple - these are designed for constant 24/7 writing - Reds are optimised for Read

I too run Surveillance Station, but have a mixture of Reds and Purples in my NAS Drive - Reds for nbormal network tasks, etc and the Purples are dedicated to Surveillance Station.

Seagate are just teh same - IronWolf for general NAS and SkyHawk for 24/7 Surveillance Type Applications



Magnum 475

3,549 posts

133 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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DavidY said:
Magnum 475 said:
anonymous said:
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I've found the opposite - WD Reds I've struggled to get more than 3 years out of in my Synologies. But that's probably because I'm running Surveillance Station with multiple cameras, so they're in constant use. I'm currently trying Seagate IronWolf drives to see if they last any longer. The synology drive failure warning is very useful though!
WD Reds are not the right tool for Surveillance Station - The correct drive for that is WD Purple - these are designed for constant 24/7 writing - Reds are optimised for Read

I too run Surveillance Station, but have a mixture of Reds and Purples in my NAS Drive - Reds for nbormal network tasks, etc and the Purples are dedicated to Surveillance Station.

Seagate are just teh same - IronWolf for general NAS and SkyHawk for 24/7 Surveillance Type Applications
Ahhh, thanks. I've not seen Purples yet (heads off to Amazon to find some)


K50 DEL

9,237 posts

229 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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God knows what's going to happen with mine then!
I'm just using 4 old 1Tb drives that I had lying around, everything seems happy so far, though I haven't got surveillance station or plex up and running yet.

RizzoTheRat

25,177 posts

193 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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NAS specific drives are just optimised for the maximum life/performance at the specific role they're expected to perform. A standard drive you pulled out of an old PC will work fine, but its life span will likely be a bit shorter as it wasn't designed to run all the time, and it'll probably be noisier as NAS ones are often designed for silence while PC drives are designed for speed. But that's why they warn you about disk failures and you use them in Raid

Clockwork Cupcake

74,596 posts

273 months

Wednesday 8th December 2021
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bmwmike said:
Yah thats good and all, but endless chattering tickles my eco funny-bone - why are they running when not needed, etc.
Just to be clear, I was talking about a little brief chunter every few seconds, rather than continuous thrashing. If you are getting the latter then something is clearly wrong.

But I do agree that it's not ideal for there to be regular disc access when the NAS is idling.