Nvidia 3000 Series Tonight
Discussion
leglessAlex said:
Sure, but I can't imagine many people that weren't mining will be getting rid of the top dog card any time soon, right, even if (or even espeically if) the prices do crash.
If crypto goes down the pan [again] I'd say it would be a pretty safe bet that 99% of the cards that then flood the market would be mining cards, and I just trust any seller claiming otherwise.
I don't think a mining card would bother me much, they're usually undervolted and aren't running hot. My 3070 is mining right now at a pretty steady 48 degrees and a 40% fan speed, whereas when I game it's way up in the 70s with the fan going mad. I don't know if the data would support it, but I'd love to know if a lot of intensive gaming is any better or worse for the card than 24/7 undervolted, relatively cool mining.
My thoughts exactly, I'd have no problem buying a card that's been mining 24/7. Electronics are designed to do this, it's much better than repeated heat-cycling.If crypto goes down the pan [again] I'd say it would be a pretty safe bet that 99% of the cards that then flood the market would be mining cards, and I just trust any seller claiming otherwise.
I don't think a mining card would bother me much, they're usually undervolted and aren't running hot. My 3070 is mining right now at a pretty steady 48 degrees and a 40% fan speed, whereas when I game it's way up in the 70s with the fan going mad. I don't know if the data would support it, but I'd love to know if a lot of intensive gaming is any better or worse for the card than 24/7 undervolted, relatively cool mining.
loudlashadjuster said:
My thoughts exactly, I'd have no problem buying a card that's been mining 24/7. Electronics are designed to do this, it's much better than repeated heat-cycling.
Under volted and a fairly low RPM on the fan too. Could happily run for many, many years I think. It’s not like semiconductors wear like engines… leglessAlex said:
Mr Whippy said:
I wouldn't buy a mining card either. And you can spot them a mile away because the sellers have about 10 for sale. Or other mining related stuff.
Roll on the crypto crash... it can't be too far away now. I quite fancy a 3090 for £750.
Isn’t there a contradiction there Whippy? Roll on the crypto crash... it can't be too far away now. I quite fancy a 3090 for £750.
You wouldn’t buy a mining card but would like a cheap 3090, which would almost certainly be a mining card
Buying random over-priced when new models with a genuine seller ended up not being much more than miner cards... maybe £275 vs £260 ish for the thrashed cheap model mining cards.
Crypto miners are so tight and greedy, essentially operating like a business, they can’t offer their stuff a bit cheap to get rid like an enthusiast might be happy to.
I’ve seen people with 10+ all same model GPUs selling them down over months.
They’ve been run 24/7, probably run at 100% load and 100% fans in a hot enclosure or room.
It’d be like buying a 911 GT3 that’s lived its life on track and done 50k miles, vs a dry summer garaged model with 20k miles, because you’re saving 5% on the price.
Scan have just had a big drop of 3090s in - all marked up of course.
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-...
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-...
Mr Whippy said:
Well I bought my strix 1070oc maybe 18-24 months ago and the market on eBay was probably 80% miner cards.
Buying random over-priced when new models with a genuine seller ended up not being much more than miner cards... maybe £275 vs £260 ish for the thrashed cheap model mining cards.
Crypto miners are so tight and greedy, essentially operating like a business, they can’t offer their stuff a bit cheap to get rid like an enthusiast might be happy to.
I’ve seen people with 10+ all same model GPUs selling them down over months.
They’ve been run 24/7, probably run at 100% load and 100% fans in a hot enclosure or room.
It’d be like buying a 911 GT3 that’s lived its life on track and done 50k miles, vs a dry summer garaged model with 20k miles, because you’re saving 5% on the price.
But mining cards aren't ran at 100% load or 100% fan duty cycle, and silicone doesn't wear like an engine.... I would have no reservations about buying a card that's been mined for two or more years. Buying random over-priced when new models with a genuine seller ended up not being much more than miner cards... maybe £275 vs £260 ish for the thrashed cheap model mining cards.
Crypto miners are so tight and greedy, essentially operating like a business, they can’t offer their stuff a bit cheap to get rid like an enthusiast might be happy to.
I’ve seen people with 10+ all same model GPUs selling them down over months.
They’ve been run 24/7, probably run at 100% load and 100% fans in a hot enclosure or room.
It’d be like buying a 911 GT3 that’s lived its life on track and done 50k miles, vs a dry summer garaged model with 20k miles, because you’re saving 5% on the price.
devnull said:
Scan have just had a big drop of 3090s in - all marked up of course.
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-...
Aaaaand they gone https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-...
Rojibo said:
But mining cards aren't ran at 100% load or 100% fan duty cycle, and silicone doesn't wear like an engine.... I would have no reservations about buying a card that's been mined for two or more years.
You don't know that though, you have no way of knowing if they looked after them or just went full power because mining.Also you have to wonder if they are cleaned of dust at any time because time switched off is money mining wasted. So if they get dust into the bearings the fans get noisy are no longer efficient, the cards heat up more. Heat kills cards, usually the memory first the cause of artefacts on screen. Since these aren't connected to a monitor when mining the miner has no idea the card is dying. You can't be sure out of the 20+ cards he has for sale if he has actually tested them all individually hooked up to a monitor in a PC because to him they have been working faultlessly so no problems, you are taking a risk buying.
FourWheelDrift said:
You don't know that though, you have no way of knowing if they looked after them or just went full power because mining.
Also you have to wonder if they are cleaned of dust at any time because time switched off is money mining wasted. So if they get dust into the bearings the fans get noisy are no longer efficient, the cards heat up more. Heat kills cards, usually the memory first the cause of artefacts on screen. Since these aren't connected to a monitor when mining the miner has no idea the card is dying. You can't be sure out of the 20+ cards he has for sale if he has actually tested them all individually hooked up to a monitor in a PC because to him they have been working faultlessly so no problems, you are taking a risk buying.
You wouldn't go full power when mining because that's more money wasted... you'll get a better hashrate while using less power in the first place. People treat silicon far too preciously but it can withstand all kinds of crap. I still have an i7-2600k running that for the best part of 3 years was thermal throttling at 100oC due to a dodgy cooler.... still running happily now at 10 years old... Also you have to wonder if they are cleaned of dust at any time because time switched off is money mining wasted. So if they get dust into the bearings the fans get noisy are no longer efficient, the cards heat up more. Heat kills cards, usually the memory first the cause of artefacts on screen. Since these aren't connected to a monitor when mining the miner has no idea the card is dying. You can't be sure out of the 20+ cards he has for sale if he has actually tested them all individually hooked up to a monitor in a PC because to him they have been working faultlessly so no problems, you are taking a risk buying.
The only real component wear is fan bearings, an easy enough fix.
Rojibo said:
I still have an i7-2600k running that for the best part of 3 years was thermal throttling at 100oC due to a dodgy cooler.... still running happily now at 10 years old...
Long-term high temperatures and overvolting in particular (and doubly so in combination) are REALLY bad for silicon. But neither of these is too much of an issue with mining cards because they tend to be undervolted and most of card goes unutilised and unloaded.The biggest concern I'd have is that it's very hard to discern whether someone has flashed the BIOS with some hacked version they downloaded of Reddit.
devnull said:
They had stock for nearly all of the 3090s they list, and all were £1999 except for a few of the less favourable brands which were £1899
Out of interest how much were they at launch and how much did they say they 'should' be going for a couple of months back when it was inferred the original price was too low? I thought it was ~£1K/£1.2K respectively which makes that one hell of a mark up (and I do suspect Scan, Overclockers, et al. themselves are being stung by wholesalers/suppliers.dapprman said:
Out of interest how much were they at launch and how much did they say they 'should' be going for a couple of months back when it was inferred the original price was too low? I thought it was ~£1K/£1.2K respectively which makes that one hell of a mark up (and I do suspect Scan, Overclockers, et al. themselves are being stung by wholesalers/suppliers.
3090 FE was £1399 I think, my 3080 was £649Rojibo said:
What are you worried about around the card BIOS specifically?
Modified vBIOS typically undergo zero QC and will often raise existing soft limits on certain core clocks in order to maximise returns for particular cryptocurrency. It also invalidates the warranty. I'd rather not buy a card where someone may have removed manufacturer limitations that might be detectable in the event of an RMA, the same way I'd never buy a car that had been remapped by anyone else.It's not that I think using 3rd party BIOS is inherently harmful, it's the lack of QC and visibility into what's been done. But then again, I strongly prefer to buy PC components new, with the occasional exception of processors because they're basically impossible to kill unless you do something truly idiotic.
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