Nvidia 3000 Series Tonight
Discussion
HM-2 said:
Rojibo said:
What are you worried about around the card BIOS specifically?
Modified vBIOS typically undergo zero QC and will often raise existing soft limits on certain core clocks in order to maximise returns for particular cryptocurrency. It also invalidates the warranty. I'd rather not buy a card where someone may have removed manufacturer limitations that might be detectable in the event of an RMA, the same way I'd never buy a car that had been remapped by anyone else.It's not that I think using 3rd party BIOS is inherently harmful, it's the lack of QC and visibility into what's been done. But then again, I strongly prefer to buy PC components new, with the occasional exception of processors because they're basically impossible to kill unless you do something truly idiotic.
But if they're out of warranty and cheap, while they probably will be once the crypto mining profit margins go negative, then I'd happily buy one at the right price.
thatsprettyshady said:
dapprman said:
Out of interest how much were they at launch and how much did they say they 'should' be going for a couple of months back when it was inferred the original price was too low? I thought it was ~£1K/£1.2K respectively which makes that one hell of a mark up (and I do suspect Scan, Overclockers, et al. themselves are being stung by wholesalers/suppliers.
3090 FE was £1399 I think, my 3080 was £649
HM-2 said:
It's not that I think using 3rd party BIOS is inherently harmful, it's the lack of QC and visibility into what's been done. But then again, I strongly prefer to buy PC components new, with the occasional exception of processors because they're basically impossible to kill unless you do something truly idiotic.
I'm completely relaxed about most components as secondhand buys, but the only ones that would potentially concern me are CPUs. They're about the only ones where there is a possibility that someone has accidentally run one without a cooler, or with one where the fan failed etc. and this can cause damage quite quickly.I've had a CPU which came out of an old Poweredge dual socket server which started getting a bit wobbly, eventually throwing errors in the event viewer etc. When I opened it to see what might be going on it was obvious why, the fan nearest the intake was almost completed clogged, and sure enough this was the CPU that was giving problems.
After a clean and re-seat it would still work, but it never lost the slight instability it had developed and I ended up having to change it. 100% positive the overheating did for it.
I could easily have punted it on Ebay as it would still POST, boot into Windows and run 99.99% of the time with no problems, but I wouldn't do that to someone.
HM-2 said:
Rojibo said:
I still have an i7-2600k running that for the best part of 3 years was thermal throttling at 100oC due to a dodgy cooler.... still running happily now at 10 years old...
Long-term high temperatures and overvolting in particular (and doubly so in combination) are REALLY bad for silicon.As an old time overclocker there was some degradation back in the day when overclocking old cpus, it would hardly blow the cpu up. All it would do is reduce your massive overclock or you had to apply more voltage, which made the overclock go down again after a while.
By that time though Intel or AMD had released a new cpu!
What actually kills cpus is just keep changing the cooling or moving them about. If you leave them in situ and apply voltages they tend to be fine.
There are lots of extremely overclocked Sandybridges and even Conroes still going.
Clive Milk said:
3090 has to be the biggest waste of money for a video card ever if used for gaming. They were only bought by people willy waving on forums ...
3080 is all you need, indeed probably more than you need.
You're right. But good luck buying a 3080. At least those of us with willies worth waving have a chance of getting our hands (and enormous manhoods) on a 3090.3080 is all you need, indeed probably more than you need.
More trouble for chip production.
"Taiwan's water shortage is hitting critical levels, and that could hit TSMC and Micron hard"
"Production issues at TSMC would impact AMD, Apple, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Mediatek, Broadcom, Xilinx and Intel, all of whom are customers to TSMC to a greater or lesser extent. There is already a chip shortage within many markets, making now the worst possible time for Taiwan to face a drought of this scale. "
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/misc_hardware/tai...
"Taiwan's water shortage is hitting critical levels, and that could hit TSMC and Micron hard"
"Production issues at TSMC would impact AMD, Apple, Nvidia, Qualcomm, Mediatek, Broadcom, Xilinx and Intel, all of whom are customers to TSMC to a greater or lesser extent. There is already a chip shortage within many markets, making now the worst possible time for Taiwan to face a drought of this scale. "
https://www.overclock3d.net/news/misc_hardware/tai...
I caved. The boy has been pestering me for his own PC, the VR machine has been getting a bit lumpy and I'm sat at home with lots of time on my hands. I would have just stuck a 3060 into the VR machine and moved some bits around but I got bored waiting so a custom build will soon be on its way.
A 3070 would have done, but the 3080 was only £150 more and when you are nudging £2k what's another £150 among friends. So instead of an i7 it's got an i9 to share its box. Scope creep at its finest.
What's an i5 3570k with a 980ti worth? The lad can have that and donate to the VR fund. I'll keep the 1080 and sell a kidney.
A 3070 would have done, but the 3080 was only £150 more and when you are nudging £2k what's another £150 among friends. So instead of an i7 it's got an i9 to share its box. Scope creep at its finest.
What's an i5 3570k with a 980ti worth? The lad can have that and donate to the VR fund. I'll keep the 1080 and sell a kidney.
Bullett said:
I caved. The boy has been pestering me for his own PC, the VR machine has been getting a bit lumpy and I'm sat at home with lots of time on my hands. I would have just stuck a 3060 into the VR machine and moved some bits around but I got bored waiting so a custom build will soon be on its way.
A 3070 would have done, but the 3080 was only £150 more and when you are nudging £2k what's another £150 among friends. So instead of an i7 it's got an i9 to share its box. Scope creep at its finest.
What's an i5 3570k with a 980ti worth? The lad can have that and donate to the VR fund. I'll keep the 1080 and sell a kidney.
I did much the same. Started by deciding to upgrade my 1080ti, ended up with a new mobo, four SSDs, an i9 10900 and a 3080. I paid just over 900 quid for the 3080 and even at that price I kept thinking I should just hang on. Glad I didn’t now!A 3070 would have done, but the 3080 was only £150 more and when you are nudging £2k what's another £150 among friends. So instead of an i7 it's got an i9 to share its box. Scope creep at its finest.
What's an i5 3570k with a 980ti worth? The lad can have that and donate to the VR fund. I'll keep the 1080 and sell a kidney.
I sold my 1080ti to a friend for 200 quid!
Digby said:
Bullett said:
I caved. The boy has been pestering me for his own PC, the VR machine has been getting a bit lumpy and I'm sat at home with lots of time on my hands. I would have just stuck a 3060 into the VR machine and moved some bits around but I got bored waiting so a custom build will soon be on its way.
A 3070 would have done, but the 3080 was only £150 more and when you are nudging £2k what's another £150 among friends. So instead of an i7 it's got an i9 to share its box. Scope creep at its finest.
What's an i5 3570k with a 980ti worth? The lad can have that and donate to the VR fund. I'll keep the 1080 and sell a kidney.
I did much the same. Started by deciding to upgrade my 1080ti, ended up with a new mobo, four SSDs, an i9 10900 and a 3080. I paid just over 900 quid for the 3080 and even at that price I kept thinking I should just hang on. Glad I didn’t now!A 3070 would have done, but the 3080 was only £150 more and when you are nudging £2k what's another £150 among friends. So instead of an i7 it's got an i9 to share its box. Scope creep at its finest.
What's an i5 3570k with a 980ti worth? The lad can have that and donate to the VR fund. I'll keep the 1080 and sell a kidney.
I sold my 1080ti to a friend for 200 quid!
i5 3570k - Ebay sold listings - https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/Computer-Components-Par...
PS rumours continue about older GPUs being brought back to life to plug the holes. Hot on the tails of 2060, 1650, 1050 re-births we now have rumours the 1080 Ti might be put back into production!
https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-...
https://www.techradar.com/news/nvidia-gtx-1080-ti-...
Not a 1080ti unfortunately, just a vanilla 1080.
I'll be keeping that and running it in my office rig and moving the 980ti to what's the VR rig now and giving that to the boy. He's been wanting to buy a PC for a while. I'll 'sell' it to him at a discount.
I did manage to sell an AMD7970 for nearly £100.
I'll be keeping that and running it in my office rig and moving the 980ti to what's the VR rig now and giving that to the boy. He's been wanting to buy a PC for a while. I'll 'sell' it to him at a discount.
I did manage to sell an AMD7970 for nearly £100.
The GPU market really is crazy at the moment .... Unfortunately I'm looking to get a 3070/3080 to actually utilise my new G9 monitor properly and it's virtually impossible to find any except at extreme scalper prices on eBay.
I've been watching the PartAlert twitter feed and just about everything GPU that goes up at an online retailer is snapped up immediately (as in, gone before you have clicked through to the site), even at large markups over RRP. Right now there are a ton of, IMO rather unimpressive, Radeon 6700XTs coming up for well North of 600 quid and going instantly. 3060s (effectively, slightly sub-2070 levels of performance) are coming on around close to 500 quid and also disappearing instantly. The high prices are at legit retailers - not eBay scalpers. 3070s and 3080s (which are what I'd be interested in) are rare as hens teeth and the asking prices are usually at least 30% over what you would expect to see at retail and they of course, go immediately.
Aside from supply shortages and huge gamer demand, Cryptomining is really pushing prices up. As long as cryptos remain at current valuations, powerful GPUs are a potential money printing machine... The prices will be sustained just by crypto demand.
Bizarrely, even secondhand last-gen (or two-gens-ago) GPUs are still fetching good prices. I almost feel lucky to have at least a 1060
I've been watching the PartAlert twitter feed and just about everything GPU that goes up at an online retailer is snapped up immediately (as in, gone before you have clicked through to the site), even at large markups over RRP. Right now there are a ton of, IMO rather unimpressive, Radeon 6700XTs coming up for well North of 600 quid and going instantly. 3060s (effectively, slightly sub-2070 levels of performance) are coming on around close to 500 quid and also disappearing instantly. The high prices are at legit retailers - not eBay scalpers. 3070s and 3080s (which are what I'd be interested in) are rare as hens teeth and the asking prices are usually at least 30% over what you would expect to see at retail and they of course, go immediately.
Aside from supply shortages and huge gamer demand, Cryptomining is really pushing prices up. As long as cryptos remain at current valuations, powerful GPUs are a potential money printing machine... The prices will be sustained just by crypto demand.
Bizarrely, even secondhand last-gen (or two-gens-ago) GPUs are still fetching good prices. I almost feel lucky to have at least a 1060
Lucas Ayde said:
Bizarrely, even secondhand last-gen (or two-gens-ago) GPUs are still fetching good prices. I almost feel lucky to have at least a 1060
Agreed, I bought a near new 2080ti FTW3 for £900 about 4 weeks before the 30 series was launched and at that moment they announced a 3070 for £480 would be faster than my £900 2080ti.It could have been a sour moment but the shortage of supply and so on means that the most recent few 2080ti FTW3 sold second hand on ebay are atleast £900 if not quite a bit higher. So second hand GPUs have held very high values inline with the crazy shortages of 30 series.
In keeping with being a mean miner, I have paid 8 people over the odds for their second hand 2080ti in the last 7 weeks. Each time I have wondered if it was a bad idea but the reality is the market for these devices is holding if not still continuing to rise.
I entirely gave up on buying a 3080 through regular channels due to lack of availability even after monitoring 24/7 for weeks, or otherwise through ebay as the prices are just too high.
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