Nvidia 3000 Series Tonight

[deckster]

Mr Whippy said:

Digger said:

Wrong thread to ask on, but do we believe that VR will go the way of 3D? I believe so.

VR will have to be holographic or anaglyph, or similar image splitting tech, at a screen or something, to be really practical.

You can’t live with a headset on.

I remember playing a VR game at Meadowhall shopping centre in 1995 or something, it’s still a gaming kinda niche for 99% of todays users I’d say.

I'm still waiting for my cybernetic eyeball with built in VR capabilities. Plus zoom & x-ray vision of course, just to keep my inner teenager happy.

[halo34]

Digger said:

Wrong thread to ask on, but do we believe that VR will go the way of 3D? I believe so.

No - fundamentally for some games like flight sims its an absolute game changer. Going back to flat screen is quite a step back!

[Lucas Ayde]

The new 3050 actually looks like a decent entry-level GPU... at the SRP of $250 (presumably the same price in pounds or even a tad higher) it would be excellent for 1080p gaming and even mostly OK for 1440p.

Can't see it staying at that price though, even though supposedly it's not the best for mining. No FE either.

[HRL]

halo34 said:

Digger said:

Wrong thread to ask on, but do we believe that VR will go the way of 3D? I believe so.

No - fundamentally for some games like flight sims its an absolute game changer. Going back to flat screen is quite a step back!

Sony don’t think so either, PSVR2 is on its way and looks to be a decent bit of kit.

[mmm-five]

Digger said:

Out of interest what lowly CPU's are people still running in their main rig.

I still have an I5-3570K stock, paired with a 1660 Super & 16GB RAM . . . 1080P. Main game I play is WoWs (World of Warships) & runs fine maxed out.

Let's see:

• AMD Zen 3 Ryzen 7 5800X with Nvidia RTX3080Ti (gaming PC)
• Intel I7-4790k with AMD R9 M295X (5k 27" work Mac #1)
• Intel I7-8700 with Nvidia Radeon Pro Vega 20 (4k 21.5" work Mac #2)
• Intel i5-8259U with Intel Iris Plus 655 iGPU (NUC media centre)
• Intel i7-6820HQ with Nvidia Quadra M1000M (work laptop)

They're just mine...there are a couple of MacMinis and W10 laptops floating around too.

[HM-2]

I've just upgraded from a 6900K to 5900X. Still on a 2080, but keeping an eye out for a 3080ti or 3090 at or near MSRP. The processor upgrade has actually made a much bigger difference in gaming than I thought it would

[Muppet007]

Digger said:

Out of interest what lowly CPU's are people still running in their main rig.

I still have an I5-3570K stock, paired with a 1660 Super & 16GB RAM . . . 1080P. Main game I play is WoWs (World of Warships) & runs fine maxed out.

i7-11700k

TR 3950X

[HRL]

2700X & 2080Ti
5950X & 3090FE

[Jinx]

i7 7820X (Skylake X) Gaming and PC I do my work on. (1080Ti WinX)
i7 3630QM (laptop) (communicating via teams/zoom etc.) (660M WinX)
Ryzen 4500U (OH's thin an light laptop) (WinX but might put 11 on to test it)
Broadcom BCM2711Co quad-core A72 (ARMv8-A) - pi400
Intel core2quad Q8200 (HTPC - R7-340 GPU, Linux Mint)

[FourWheelDrift]

GPU pricing, Scan's wet finger in the air and see what direction the wind is blowing has some weird consequences. Cards just appeared on the site.

They have priced up the the OC card for £200 less than the standard 3090 card.



Unless that's more of a comment on how good the Palit cooler isn't.

[Digger]

Are people actually paying those prices? What were the high end GPU prices before covid? £1k or thereabouts?

Bonkers.

[mackie1]

HRL said:

halo34 said:

Digger said:

Wrong thread to ask on, but do we believe that VR will go the way of 3D? I believe so.

No - fundamentally for some games like flight sims its an absolute game changer. Going back to flat screen is quite a step back!

Sony don’t think so either, PSVR2 is on its way and looks to be a decent bit of kit.

Sim racing too for those that can't justify or don't have the space for triple screens. I recently did the Roar Before The 24 (2.4 hours) in iRacing with no bother using a Valve Index.

Headset fidelity is increasing all the same and they are shrinking and getting ligher too. Give it a couple of years and we'll have consumer-level eye tracking, foveated rendering, micro-oled headsets that are no more onerous to wear than some chunky sunglasses.

[8bit]

Digger said:

Are people actually paying those prices? What were the high end GPU prices before covid? £1k or thereabouts?

Bonkers.

I presume these are going the way of cars - bought on finance.

[Mr Whippy]

8bit said:

Digger said:

Are people actually paying those prices? What were the high end GPU prices before covid? £1k or thereabouts?

Bonkers.

I presume these are going the way of cars - bought on finance.

£1,000+ was 2080Ti or Titan cards pretty much.

But Nvidia Quadro have always been very expensive vs GTX (now RTX) for same kinda power.


I’m not sure why you’d buy any of these top cards on finance in a ‘normal’ market.

The GPU space is hotting up again, so ample supply.
The transistor tech is moving a bit again, so decent generational gains in performance, alongside raytracing, ram and faster pc speeds generally (data on and off cards)

To buy a top end card, say the 1% market, which no game developer will target for, leaves you just paying mega money, generating mega heat, needing mega PSU etc, suffering mega depreciation, to get what you’ve got.


Fine really, but it’s a niche, and if that’s a big enough niche for nvidia to fill and profit from then great.

[FourWheelDrift]

RTX 2080 Ti = RTX 3070 now.
£1200 against £469.

It's the low FE MSRP of cards matching previous range toppers that's the main issue.

My thoughts of realistic MSRP Founders edition cards should have been:

3050 - £350
3060 - £500
3060 Ti - £600
3070 - £650
3070 Ti - £700
3080 - £850
3080 Ti - £950
3090 - £1,200

Then add £100-£200 for improved non-FE overclocked and cooled cards. But due to the crypto market and demand it could have pushed resale prices even higher than we have seen. But I do think Nvidia went in too low and has put this thought in our heads that they should be low now reflected in us seeing "high prices". Some are high, stupidly high but there still reasonable deals out there.

[Donbot]

The 1660 super would have to go up to around £300 for that to work on the 'budget' end. It would look pretty bad on Nvidia if they did that.

Plus if they announced a (X)X70 card was going to be £650 at around the time of release they would have got absolutely shat on. Performance of previous gens isn't a great metric. The 10 series was a big step up from the 9 series, without a gigantic price increase lower down the stack.

Plus a (X)X50 card being £350. fk me.

Edited by Donbot on Saturday 29th January 11:50

[Lucas Ayde]

8bit said:

Digger said:

Are people actually paying those prices? What were the high end GPU prices before covid? £1k or thereabouts?

Bonkers.

I presume these are going the way of cars - bought on finance.

You could help pay off the cost of the card by using it for mining when not using the PC for gaming. Places like nicehash make it pretty easy.

[Bullett]

Digger said:

Wrong thread to ask on, but do we believe that VR will go the way of 3D? I believe so.

No. It has its use cases, Sim racing and flying are two already mentioned. It needs to develop more and better methods of moving and interacting in VR, some things work and some doesn't.

The metaverse or ReadyPlayer1 type experiences are unlikely to take off in any significant way for the foreseeable, because they are nothing like RP1 and the kit is still expensive, bulky and quirky. I can't see a metaverse shopping experience working like the high street, who wants to slog around going in and out of various stores when you can have 5 tabs open on a browser comparing multiple stores instantly.

[RacerMike]

Bullett said:

Digger said:

Wrong thread to ask on, but do we believe that VR will go the way of 3D? I believe so.

No. It has its use cases, Sim racing and flying are two already mentioned. It needs to develop more and better methods of moving and interacting in VR, some things work and some doesn't.

The metaverse or ReadyPlayer1 type experiences are unlikely to take off in any significant way for the foreseeable, because they are nothing like RP1 and the kit is still expensive, bulky and quirky. I can't see a metaverse shopping experience working like the high street, who wants to slog around going in and out of various stores when you can have 5 tabs open on a browser comparing multiple stores instantly.

Sim racing it really is a game changer. I use my oculus for iRacing and it’s amazing how much of an extra level of immersion it adds. Far more than something like a motion platform would even. I can judge distances as I would on track for real, see elevation and have a much better and more realistic field of view.

[8bit]

Mr Whippy said:

£1,000+ was 2080Ti or Titan cards pretty much.

But Nvidia Quadro have always been very expensive vs GTX (now RTX) for same kinda power.


I’m not sure why you’d buy any of these top cards on finance in a ‘normal’ market.

The GPU space is hotting up again, so ample supply.
The transistor tech is moving a bit again, so decent generational gains in performance, alongside raytracing, ram and faster pc speeds generally (data on and off cards)

To buy a top end card, say the 1% market, which no game developer will target for, leaves you just paying mega money, generating mega heat, needing mega PSU etc, suffering mega depreciation, to get what you’ve got.


Fine really, but it’s a niche, and if that’s a big enough niche for nvidia to fill and profit from then great.

I'm not sure what you're getting at - nobody mentioned Quadro cards until now (unless I missed it), the prices in the screenshot above are GeForce cards. But yes, I buy Quadro cards at work sometimes, although not recently, shudder to think what they're priced at right now.

Lucas Ayde said:

8bit said:

Digger said:

Are people actually paying those prices? What were the high end GPU prices before covid? £1k or thereabouts?

Bonkers.

I presume these are going the way of cars - bought on finance.

You could help pay off the cost of the card by using it for mining when not using the PC for gaming. Places like nicehash make it pretty easy.

Shouldn't have to do that though. If Nvidia can sell the FE cards at the prices they are and presumably turn a profit then the partner board manufacturers and retailers are price-gouging big time. I wouldn't have bought a 3070 from Asus or MSI etc. at the sort of prices they go for if I hadn't got lucky and got a 3070 FE on launch day. Unfortunately there are enough foik prepared to pay way, way over the odds for these things that the vendors and resellers can get away with it.