Nvidia 3000 Series Tonight

[FourWheelDrift]

anonymous said:

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Yes, the full range.

[Lucas Ayde]

FourWheelDrift said:

anonymous said:

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Yes, the full range.

There's no 3060 or 3050FE.

[Lucas Ayde]

8bit said:

Lucas Ayde said:

8bit said:

Digger said:

Are people actually paying those prices? What were the high end GPU prices before covid? £1k or thereabouts?

Bonkers.

I presume these are going the way of cars - bought on finance.

You could help pay off the cost of the card by using it for mining when not using the PC for gaming. Places like nicehash make it pretty easy.

Shouldn't have to do that though. If Nvidia can sell the FE cards at the prices they are and presumably turn a profit then the partner board manufacturers and retailers are price-gouging big time. I wouldn't have bought a 3070 from Asus or MSI etc. at the sort of prices they go for if I hadn't got lucky and got a 3070 FE on launch day. Unfortunately there are enough foik prepared to pay way, way over the odds for these things that the vendors and resellers can get away with it.

The cards unfortunately are 'worth it' as they sell on the open market (eBay) for silly prices well in excess of the official SRP. Supply and demand determines price and demand is huge between miners and people wfh WfH with excess cash.

Cryptomining is largely the reason why the cards are deemed worth it since they can be used to generate an income hence people bid up the price to get hold of them. If you're a gamer who paid big bucks to secure one as a result of having to compete with miners, certainly worth considering a bit of mining on the side to lower the effective price.

[FourWheelDrift]

Ebuyer joining the weird price shenanigans.



Ignore the high price it's high but they are selling the same card twice, one with a motherboard and one without but both for the same price. It's a £229 motherboard btw.

[FourWheelDrift]

Still no sign of the 3090 Ti, Nvidia haven't fcked this up too have they?

https://www.overclock3d.net/news/cpu_mainboard/it_...

[FourWheelDrift]

They might be high prices but I think Overclockers might have more success selling these ones if they weren't listed in the 3d Printers section.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/peripherals/printer...

[Sporky]

Ouch. That 3070 is more than I paid for my Gigabyte 3070ti and 1G SSD from Scan.

[Steven_RW]

Mr Whippy said:

To buy a top end card, say the 1% market, which no game developer will target for, leaves you just paying mega money, generating mega heat, needing mega PSU etc, suffering mega depreciation, to get what you’ve got.


Fine really, but it’s a niche, and if that’s a big enough niche for nvidia to fill and profit from then great.

I ran a 1080, then a 1080ti, then 2080ti FTW3 and now a 3090.

Sold my 1080 for £400, my 1080ti for £500 after buying it for £500 initially a year old. Sold my 2080ti FTW for £800 after buying it for £975 opened unused. My 3090FE was bought for retail and would sell above list currently.

The other end of the picture you are painting is just enjoying high frames per second on whatever game you like. Compared to messing around with modifying cars, having a high end GPU is cheap as chips.

[FourWheelDrift]

My recent GPU buying & selling.

Feb 2020 - brand new MSI RTX 2060 Super Ventus bought for £314
June 2021 - brand new Nvidia RTX 3070 Founders Edition bought for £469
June 2021 - MSI RTX 2060 Super Ventus sold for £550 (£480 after fees)
January 2022 - brand new EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra bought for £1100
February 2022 - Nvidia RTX 3070 Founders Edition sold for £810 (£798 after fees)

Means I have spent £605 for an EVGA RTX 3080 FTW3 Ultra. £44 less than an 3080 FE at MSRP.

[Mr Whippy]

Steven_RW said:

The other end of the picture you are painting is just enjoying high frames per second on whatever game you like. Compared to messing around with modifying cars, having a high end GPU is cheap as chips.

Kinda fair enough if you’re just rich and happy to render excess frames at extra watts and heat in your case.

I appreciate some people like max detail at 4k at 144hz with all details on… but as noted the majority of developers will still target waaaay lower spec.
Artwork is expensive and there is no point creating assets at double the cost that only 1% of your users will enjoy.

[stevesingo]

Mr Whippy said:

Kinda fair enough if you’re just rich and happy to render excess frames at extra watts and heat in your case.

I appreciate some people like max detail at 4k at 144hz with all details on… but as noted the majority of developers will still target waaaay lower spec.
Artwork is expensive and there is no point creating assets at double the cost that only 1% of your users will enjoy.

A similar parallel can drawn between cars and GPUs and games which run on them. Why does a manufacturer design a car that will do 150mph and 0-60mph is 6secs? It is far more than the average user will ever need.

Marketing!

Car media review products and compare them to the competition. An extra 2-3mph and 0.5sec on the 0-60 make news in the reviews and the reader will be influenced by what they read.

In the same way tech and gaming media review GPUs and games. In the case of a game, a more immersive experience provided by the artwork is a seller. With GPUs, being able to render that artwork at a frame rate which doesn't have stutters and tearing is also a seller.

[Mr Whippy]

Yeah it’s a tough one buying the right kit.

Desired FPS more than anything.

But if you’re not crazy into fps, vsync/nvidia/ati refresh stuff sorts tearing, and over-fps/tearing/over-loading gpu.

Then if you’re into anything over 60hz, chances are a gaming screen has all the sync stuff.
And as noted, if you’re going 4k at 144hz+ you’ll probably need decent speed gpu… though arguably many games might be more “playable” for competitive use at lower quality settings.

All depends what you need.


Also I suppose since the Titan cards disappeared then having a few top end cards at daft prices isn’t so odd looking… just previously the 80/90 cards were called Titan.

[Taff107]

Pay 2k for a GPU!!!!!!
Never, ever going to happen.

Absurd.

[FourWheelDrift]

Lowest priced retail 3080 (it is the basic Zotac Trinity though) £999 at Scan - https://www.scan.co.uk/products/zotac-nvidia-gefor...

[mmm-five]

FourWheelDrift said:

Lowest priced retail 3080 (it is the basic Zotac Trinity though) £999 at Scan - https://www.scan.co.uk/products/zotac-nvidia-gefor...

...and only £50 less than my FE 3080Ti - what a bargain

[Mr Whippy]

Taff107 said:

Pay 2k for a GPU!!!!!!
Never, ever going to happen.

Absurd.

It depends.

Tons of people used to buy Titans etc for gaming and content creation.

Now the 80ti/90 cards are like the titans were.

If I did gpu heavy work I’d pay £2k for a GPU maybe.

But CPU scaling bang/buck is much better, ie, 64 core threadripper over 32 core is less than double for double the perf.


But yeah for just gaming, 4k 144hz+ is definitely niche.


GPUs have definitely got expensive though.

The TNT2 Ultra 20 years ago was about £250. TNT1 was half the price and good… similar fps to voodoo2 but in higher res.

In todays money that’s £380 for a TNT2 Ultra level card… possibly in line with a 3070FE?

So 3080 and 3090 are definitely out on a new limb of exuberance and cost for a small % market but big enough in volume to cater for.


As noted, loads of content creators will be buying them.

[Narcisus]

I consider the 3080 to be expensive even at RRP but I would probably buy one at that price ( if I could of course ). It looks like i'm going to own my 2070 Super for a long time !

Mind you I find myself doing most of my gaming on the Xbox now.

[HRL]

3090FE’s still available if anyone is looking for one.

https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/?page...

[FourWheelDrift]

HRL said:

3090FE’s still available if anyone is looking for one.

https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/?page...

And still there an hour later.

[Simon-c6p6m]

Thanks for the heads up, been toying with a 3060ti but then thought fek it in the true pistonheads way. Go large or go home!

Interestingly it is Scan supplying them, and on their site the cheapest 3090 is £2000.

S