Nvidia 3000 Series Tonight

[Rojibo]

I really hope AMD give Nvidia a good thorough spanking, and I say that with 3 3080 orders in place.

They’ve botched this launch with sod all supply and they’ve been far too comfortable. I don’t understand the fanboyism in PC gaming. Competition greatly benefits us all. Team green has been taking the piss for a while now.

[8bit]

DuncsGTi said:

Big navi is out tomorrow then 3070 on Thursday!!

Are the AMD cards actually going on sale tomorrow or just being officially announced?

[Motorrad]

8bit said:

Are the AMD cards actually going on sale tomorrow or just being officially announced?

Nobody knows for sure but it seems likely they won't be on sale today as there have been very few leaks and it took them a month from announcement to launch of Zen 3.

What puts me off the 3070 and to a lesser extent the 3080 is the lack of VRAM when you look at some of the benchmarks. I saw one where Doom Eternal required 9GB at 4K maxxed out settings. As a result the 3070s performance was compromised. Not an issue right now for the 3080 but I want at least a couple of years of use out of a 500 quid plus graphics card.

Of the few leaks we've heard about AMD's offerings 16gb cards are going to be the mainstream.

Exciting times for the video card buyer, not least trying to find one for sale.

[Glade]

Looking forward to this announcement.

[Durzel]

I feel for anyone who actually wants these cards. Nvidia's launch (and their AIB partners) has been a total shambles. It's nigh on impossible to get a card if you're not sat in front of your computer all day long, to try and catch a "drop" that lasts all of a minute.

Nvidia's FE cards are competitively priced compared to the last generation... if you can actually buy one. They're double+ the price on eBay.

I fear that AMD is going to be the same, particularly as your general scalper is going to be aware of the overs that the RTX cards delivered, so they're going to be all over these too, regardless of their specs.

[Monty Python]

Durzel said:

I feel for anyone who actually wants these cards. Nvidia's launch (and their AIB partners) has been a total shambles. It's nigh on impossible to get a card if you're not sat in front of your computer all day long, to try and catch a "drop" that lasts all of a minute.

Nvidia's FE cards are competitively priced compared to the last generation... if you can actually buy one. They're double+ the price on eBay.

I fear that AMD is going to be the same, particularly as your general scalper is going to be aware of the overs that the RTX cards delivered, so they're going to be all over these too, regardless of their specs.

AMD may be in a better place as they're using TSMC, and they have greater capacity than Samsung.

[Rojibo]

So it was legit, and I've not received a bag of rice!



Cooler is a serious unit:



and I promptly got to work voiding my warranty:



Unfortunately the water block doesn't fit as it doesn't clear one of the white terminals at the top, so I've ordered another after butchering this EK one with a drill, stupidly. So it's just going to have to sit there for the time being, all naked.

[8bit]

anonymous said:

[redacted]

I read that too, IIRC the current issues are with Samsung yields on GDDR6X chips as used on the 3080 and 3090. The 3070 uses "regular" GDDR6 which apparently is in much more plentiful supply, which may explain why Nvidia are claiming much better availability for tomorrow's launch.

I can't find the article now but I read some analysis on figures provided by a German retailer on the numbers of orders received from customers for each of the different partner cards, the numbers they'd ordered from partners and the numbers actually received - in many cases they were ordering 1000 cards of each brand and in most of those cases they were receiving a handful or a few tens of cards. Nvidia's statement about this being all down to unprecedented demand and not insufficient supply looks a lot like bull to me.

[Jinx]

Rojibo said:

Unfortunately the water block doesn't fit as it doesn't clear one of the white terminals at the top, so I've ordered another after butchering this EK one with a drill, stupidly. So it's just going to have to sit there for the time being, all naked.

I'd pop the cooler back on and give it a quick "test" if I was in your shoes (4 hours of Doom Eternal should do it)..

[Rojibo]

Jinx said:

I'd pop the cooler back on and give it a quick "test" if I was in your shoes (4 hours of Doom Eternal should do it)..

I wish I could but it won't fit in the case with the behemoth of an air cooler on it. Almost tempted to unsolder the connector that's voiding the block but I've not actually tested the card at all yet...

[Motorrad]

8bit said:

I read that too, IIRC the current issues are with Samsung yields on GDDR6X chips as used on the 3080 and 3090. The 3070 uses "regular" GDDR6 which apparently is in much more plentiful supply, which may explain why Nvidia are claiming much better availability for tomorrow's launch.

I can't find the article now but I read some analysis on figures provided by a German retailer on the numbers of orders received from customers for each of the different partner cards, the numbers they'd ordered from partners and the numbers actually received - in many cases they were ordering 1000 cards of each brand and in most of those cases they were receiving a handful or a few tens of cards. Nvidia's statement about this being all down to unprecedented demand and not insufficient supply looks a lot like bull to me.

From what I've read it's the Samsung yield that's the problem and Nvidia have a stockpile of GDDR6x. If that's the case then the 3070 might be more plentiful as there will be more produced per die and it uses standard GDDR6 in any case which should leave the faster/hotter stuff for them to make all the 3080s people want.

Regarding TSMC and AMD the 5700 series cards were 7nm so it's a mature process and the NAVI architecture is meant to scale very well so presumably they will be able to at least offer a reasonable number of cards at launch compared to Nvidia's failure. Proshop, who sell to a number of European countries, figures for RTX 3000 series orders vs fulfillment are laughable.

Edited by Motorrad on Wednesday 28th October 14:54

[8bit]

So there it is, 6800XT on Nov 18 starting at $649. Reckon most people (like me) waiting to decide between that and a 3070 will still be trying to order a 3070 tomorrow.

ETA - and 6900XT at $999. No midrange card, WTF!

Edited by 8bit on Wednesday 28th October 16:26

[Monty Python]

Looks like my new build is settled - 5900X and a 6800XT.

[Shiv_P]

Jheeze, go on AMD

[anonymous-user]

8bit said:

So there it is, 6800XT on Nov 18 starting at $649. Reckon most people (like me) waiting to decide between that and a 3070 will still be trying to order a 3070 tomorrow.

ETA - and 6900XT at $999. No midrange card, WTF!

Edited by 8bit on Wednesday 28th October 16:26

The 6800XT is a 3080 competitor though.

[Narcisus]

Monty Python said:

Looks like my new build is settled - 5900X and a 6800XT.

Fingers crossed we can get them !

[leglessAlex]

Monty Python said:

Looks like my new build is settled - 5900X and a 6800XT.

If these cards are as good as AMD claim, an all AMD build is going to be a real alternative to Intel + Nvidia. I'm excited to see what the numbers look like!

[bloomen]

Less power draw, less cost, less size and more stock hopefully. Never done AMD before but it looks far more compelling to me so far.

[Narcisus]

I'm really looking forward to a few evenings of AMD v Nvidia on Youtube !

I've pretty much decided to stay with my 2700S for the present but will probably swap out my 3700 for a 5000 series. Great times :-)

I wonder how long it will take DF to get a vid out !

[8bit]

mstrbkr said:

8bit said:

So there it is, 6800XT on Nov 18 starting at $649. Reckon most people (like me) waiting to decide between that and a 3070 will still be trying to order a 3070 tomorrow.

ETA - and 6900XT at $999. No midrange card, WTF!

Edited by 8bit on Wednesday 28th October 16:26

The 6800XT is a 3080 competitor though.

Yes - but the rumour was that it was going to be cheaper, i.e. around $500, at least as far as I'd read. My point was that I suspect a lot of folks would be waiting to find out if that were true as it would make the 3070 look like pretty poor value.