AMD Radeon 6000 series cards

[FourWheelDrift]

Don't buy anything just yet, Nvidia are launching the 3070 tomorrow and they might have a few other announcements then or to come regarding Super or Ti cards.

[Motorrad]

FourWheelDrift said:

Don't buy anything just yet, Nvidia are launching the 3070 tomorrow and they might have a few other announcements then or to come regarding Super or Ti cards.

3070 is like a 2080Ti more or less. The worrying aspect of that card is that is 'only' has 8gb of VRAM. Going forward that's potentially a problem in the future in 4K gaming. They are likely to release some other SKUs with more VRAM which might make the current cards look weaker and less desirable. There's no way I'd be buying an NVIDIA card at the moment despite being hot to trot with my Credit card for weeks now.

[130R]

6800 XT with 16GB memory for less money than the 3080 should sell pretty well.

I imagine Nvidia will panic and release a card with more memory now.

[Motorrad]

130R said:

6800 XT with 16GB memory for less money than the 3080 should sell pretty well.

I imagine Nvidia will panic and release a card with more memory now.

If they have availability at $650 then I'll buy the mid range card without wasting my time on Nvidia. 8gb VRAM issue is going to be a problem going forward, you would be mad to buy a RTX3070 unless you can be sure to flip it.

[bunchofkeys]

Well done AMD! Amazing results and brilliant value compare to Nvidia.

[130R]

Motorrad said:

130R said:

6800 XT with 16GB memory for less money than the 3080 should sell pretty well.

I imagine Nvidia will panic and release a card with more memory now.

If they have availability at $650 then I'll buy the mid range card without wasting my time on Nvidia.

I can't see any reason to buy a 3080 with 10GB memory now really

[Motorrad]

130R said:

can't see any reason to buy a 3080 with 10GB memory now really

Availability (lol), RT and DLSS.

[130R]

Motorrad said:

130R said:

can't see any reason to buy a 3080 with 10GB memory now really

Availability (lol), RT and DLSS.

RT is supported and 'super resolution' is their version of DLSS

[Motorrad]

130R said:

T is supported and 'super resolution' is their version of DLSS

Can't help feeling this is going to have the support and performance of DLSS 1 ie not so good DLSS2 is pretty good now despite being 'fake 4K'. Nvidia deffo have ray tracing covered. Availability and VRAM not so much!

[FourWheelDrift]

130R said:

6800 XT with 16GB memory for less money than the 3080 should sell pretty well.

I imagine Nvidia will panic and release a card with more memory now.

Which is why I think they delayed the 3070 announcement until tomorrow to give them the opportunity to add a few new cards with more VRAM.

[Motorrad]

FourWheelDrift said:

Which is why I think they delayed the 3070 announcement until tomorrow to give them the opportunity to add a few new cards with more VRAM.

sounds about right

[skinnyman]

Question.

I have a G-Sync monitor (Acer x34p). Does that mean I'm effectively 'stuck' with Nvidia? It's an ultrawide 120hz 1440p, so there was never any danger of my 1080ti hitting the limiter, but the latest generation cards might. Looking tonight a 5000 series CPU & 6000 series card look like a brilliant match, but I'd hate to get screen tearing on a £700 monitor

[Monty Python]

Motorrad said:

Can't help feeling this is going to have the support and performance of DLSS 1 ie not so good DLSS2 is pretty good now despite being 'fake 4K'. Nvidia deffo have ray tracing covered. Availability and VRAM not so much!

TBH, I don't really care about real-time ray-tracing. I'd take a good game without ray-tracing over a mediocre game with it any day.

[deckster]

Monty Python said:

Motorrad said:

Can't help feeling this is going to have the support and performance of DLSS 1 ie not so good DLSS2 is pretty good now despite being 'fake 4K'. Nvidia deffo have ray tracing covered. Availability and VRAM not so much!

TBH, I don't really care about real-time ray-tracing. I'd take a good game without ray-tracing over a mediocre game with it any day.

Bizarre statement. What about a really good game with ray-tracing?

[Monty Python]

deckster said:

Bizarre statement. What about a really good game with ray-tracing?

What's "bizarre"? A crap game with ray-tracing is still a crap game. To me, gameplay is more important than eye-candy.

[FourWheelDrift]

Monty Python said:

deckster said:

Bizarre statement. What about a really good game with ray-tracing?

What's "bizarre"? A crap game with ray-tracing is still a crap game. To me, gameplay is more important than eye-candy.

What games with ray tracing are crap?

[Jinx]

FourWheelDrift said:

Monty Python said:

deckster said:

Bizarre statement. What about a really good game with ray-tracing?

What's "bizarre"? A crap game with ray-tracing is still a crap game. To me, gameplay is more important than eye-candy.

What games with ray tracing are crap?

The choice isn't really a game with/without but performance with/without. If you are happy at 30 fps then ray tracing is an additional bit of eye candy (unless you have serious gpu muscle). If you prefer silky smoothness and rapid movement then turning off ray tracing will give you a performance boost (e.g. some games on the new X box series S will run without ray tracing). Some of this performance can be regained with DLSS (where available) but will never have the fidelity of native resolution with ray tracing on.
I'm not sold on real time ray tracing yet (looks pretty but sometimes makes things too shiny/reflective) but I'm look forward to seeing more games start to use it.

[Rojibo]

Just to weigh in on the Ray Tracing point, I did wonder what the big deal was but I picked up a 3080 and decided to give Control a blast, which is actually a really fun game with a great art direction and styling, but thats besides point. Some of the reflections and stuff you realise are incredibly accurate and it's pretty great to look at, it does add some genuine realism to the game and it happily runs around 80 fps at 3840x1600. It's the future

[FourWheelDrift]

Rojibo said:

Just to weigh in on the Ray Tracing point, I did wonder what the big deal was but I picked up a 3080 and decided to give Control a blast, which is actually a really fun game with a great art direction and styling, but thats besides point. Some of the reflections and stuff you realise are incredibly accurate and it's pretty great to look at, it does add some genuine realism to the game and it happily runs around 80 fps at 3840x1600. It's the future

This is a good video to show the difference between screen space reflections and ray tracing.



There's also a Control one

[Rojibo]

That first video is great for showing it, I think it's the little things that add up to something greater than the sum of it's parts.