Windows 10 to be retired in 2025
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It's an OK OS but needs a lot of tweaking to be secure...
https://www.stigviewer.com/stig/windows_10/
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I'm sure I know another one but can't remember it.Magnum 475 said:
Win 10 may be the best OS MS has ever put out, but Mac OS is still ahead in terms of stability and usability. My Win 10 work laptop will crash / freeze / have applications stop responding several times a week. Finding settings takes ages (but I’m more of a Mac user). By contrast, my Macs just work, faultlessly, all the time.
And I still dread Windows Patch Days!
My personal laptop is older, has been up and running longer and is of lesser specification than my work laptop, but it runs faster and without fault. I blame my work laptop being badly setup by our IT department with loads of crap on it.And I still dread Windows Patch Days!
Finding settings in Windows 10 is ridiculous though and I hate the lack of contrast between windows and also the scroll bar. I hope Windows 11 will be more customisable. Windows 10 has high contrast themes, but they are too extreme and ugly.
gottans said:
The Win10 machine is a brand new Dell laptop with OEM windows install, only non MS app is Adobe Reader. Yesterday rebooted several times because of the sleep settings being reset and not able to wake the bloody thing up so forced to reboot trashing my work.
How hard is it to preserve a few WINDOWS settings before an update? It isn't but MS just don't give a s
t about users.
New version of Windows is just same st, different name.
My wife bought a fairly high spec HP laptop about a year ago and it ran like sHow hard is it to preserve a few WINDOWS settings before an update? It isn't but MS just don't give a s
t about users.New version of Windows is just same s
t, different name.t until I poked about in the drivers etc and found it needed about 2hrs worth of driver updates and other non-Microsoft things patching.It runs well since and my wife doesn't notice it doing the updates.
Whoozit said:
I rebuild my father-in-law's cheap laptop recently as HD errors were rapidly increasing. Even when new it took a minute to boot up. Replaced with an SSD, fresh install, and boots up within 3 seconds from cold. It regularly used to lock, now it's stable. Quite an amazing difference.
I have several old computers which still see regular use, many of them have W7 or W10 and those upgraded with SSDs saw a very noticeable difference.In some cases, the old computers only had 2GB RAM for W7 or W10 and they benefitted immensely from an increase in RAM to 4GB (more effective than SSD upgrade) and a small additional gain if upgraded from 4GB to 8GB.
Updates are usually done in the background without any of the quirkiness that old HDDs and low RAM used to cause.
RVB said:
gottans said:
The Win10 machine is a brand new Dell laptop with OEM windows install, only non MS app is Adobe Reader. Yesterday rebooted several times because of the sleep settings being reset and not able to wake the bloody thing up so forced to reboot trashing my work.
How hard is it to preserve a few WINDOWS settings before an update? It isn't but MS just don't give a st about users.
New version of Windows is just same st, different name.
My wife bought a fairly high spec HP laptop about a year ago and it ran like sHow hard is it to preserve a few WINDOWS settings before an update? It isn't but MS just don't give a s
t about users.New version of Windows is just same s
t, different name.t until I poked about in the drivers etc and found it needed about 2hrs worth of driver updates and other non-Microsoft things patching.It runs well since and my wife doesn't notice it doing the updates.
NMNeil said:
Windows 11 or Windows Sun Valley are the possible names.
New name(s) same old bloat and spyware, and the good old updates and fixes every few days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMHgM_hTzlw&t=...
Beginning to look a lot like Linux
Looks like KDE with a hint of Cinnamon !New name(s) same old bloat and spyware, and the good old updates and fixes every few days.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMHgM_hTzlw&t=...
Beginning to look a lot like Linux
Microsoft would be onto a winner if they just stuck the XP interface on the Windows 10 kernel IMHO.
Instead Windows 11 is shaping up to be another mash up of different UI standards from different Windows generations and bits borrowed from Mac and probably a continuing focus on nonsense “features”
Instead Windows 11 is shaping up to be another mash up of different UI standards from different Windows generations and bits borrowed from Mac and probably a continuing focus on nonsense “features”
colin79666 said:
Microsoft would be onto a winner if they just stuck the XP interface on the Windows 10 kernel IMHO.
Problem is it needs to look good, that's why a huge percentage of new Mac users jump ship because it looks a lot better. Followed by the "my £900-1400" Macbook is so much better than my £200-400 Windows laptop".It can't be that different if the beta installs over Win10 and preserves data and applications.....
First thoughts, centralised dock-like pinned shortcuts rather than on the right. Widgets are just a toast coming from the side of News and Interests, performance seems OK, nothing seems much different bar the start menu which is concentrated.
Oh and round corners on Windows. Because that's important
First thoughts, centralised dock-like pinned shortcuts rather than on the right. Widgets are just a toast coming from the side of News and Interests, performance seems OK, nothing seems much different bar the start menu which is concentrated.
Oh and round corners on Windows. Because that's important
Windows 10 is fine on a decent machine but pretty rubbish on a crappy one (basically any work machine).
Random bullst like adding a weather/news widget no one asked for to the taskbar is what grinds my gears. In isolation it's a very small thing but over time it just adds bloat that no one cares about.
It's natural to draw comparisons with macOS as it's the biggest alternative. Updates there are mostly aimed at improving the Apple ecosystem as a whole. An operating system doesn't need more and more features to be considered an upgrade. Ideally you would have a base and then add the features you want, rather than what the developer thinks you need.
I don't really care what they do with the start menu. As long as you can hit the Windows key and type in the name of what you want then I'm okay with it.
Random bulls
t like adding a weather/news widget no one asked for to the taskbar is what grinds my gears. In isolation it's a very small thing but over time it just adds bloat that no one cares about. It's natural to draw comparisons with macOS as it's the biggest alternative. Updates there are mostly aimed at improving the Apple ecosystem as a whole. An operating system doesn't need more and more features to be considered an upgrade. Ideally you would have a base and then add the features you want, rather than what the developer thinks you need.
I don't really care what they do with the start menu. As long as you can hit the Windows key and type in the name of what you want then I'm okay with it.
I designed my PC around my needs. I have no superfluous programmes (apart from Win10 bits). The only time my programmes crash is when I try to manipulate models in Blender that far exceed the ability of my GPU.
I upgrade a bit every year or so. A new MB and processor was about £500 this time last year and that'll do me for years yet. I've got a decent enough GPU, and see no reason to update. This year I'll probably upgrade an internal HDD. I also do video and images and require a lot of space.
To buy a similar Mac would cost a fortune. From what I can gather, it would be about twice what I'd have to pay for a PC of similar spec, which is twice what I paid.
I've used Macs, mainly laptops but one desktop a few years ago. Nice design, smooth running, and not hitches, but given it's four times what I've paid, it should be.
I upgrade a bit every year or so. A new MB and processor was about £500 this time last year and that'll do me for years yet. I've got a decent enough GPU, and see no reason to update. This year I'll probably upgrade an internal HDD. I also do video and images and require a lot of space.
To buy a similar Mac would cost a fortune. From what I can gather, it would be about twice what I'd have to pay for a PC of similar spec, which is twice what I paid.
I've used Macs, mainly laptops but one desktop a few years ago. Nice design, smooth running, and not hitches, but given it's four times what I've paid, it should be.
Best of both worlds.
Windows ease of use with Linux reliability and a lack of spy and bloatware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsZmxy-tf1c
Windows ease of use with Linux reliability and a lack of spy and bloatware.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zsZmxy-tf1c
gottans said:
I'd still rather use a Mac, my Win10 work laptop is a right PITA.
Opposite for me - I've got a Macbook Pro from work but use Windows (and some Linux) on my own machines .. My personal opinion is that Windows 10 is nicer to use than OSX. It just feels more solid and integrated - there's something about OSX that feels a bit piecemeal. They've tried to hang on to little parts of the original MacOS, then had the flashy OSX stuff put on top and now seem to be bringing in bits of iOS too. Doesn't hang together for me. Windows just seems to be more consistent and coherent as it no longer tries to be anything other than a desktop OS (when MS were trying to make it a hybrid mobile OS with Win8 it was just awful, they were lucky to survive that huge mis-step).The Mac hardware is nothing special either ... it looks really good but there are performance issues due to overheating and quite a few people in the office have suffered issues with batteries, keyboards, webcams etc. It doesn't really justify the higher prices that Apple charge and I wouldn't put my own money down on one. Their ARM based Macs look interesting and when more software is ported over to the new architecture in a year or two then they might be worth a look for the battery life/performance that they can offer.
I am surprised that MS are going for Win11 though - Win10 was supposed to be the last Windows was it not? The idea was that they would just add to it. If they are junking it for a complete new release I guess it was just getting too convoluted to maintain. It also gives them an excuse to drop support for older tech too I would guess.
anonymoususer said:
This came as a surprise to me as I too thought Win 10 was here to stay
Depending where you read this coming Thursday is either a presentation or an actual release date
That part is just branding though, there'll be nothing coming as W11 that wasn't coming as W10 Release 21H2 or whatever it the Autumn update should be called. At best a few things have been held back this year to bump up the changes.Depending where you read this coming Thursday is either a presentation or an actual release date
I suspect what's happened is someone pointed out it makes no difference to anyone other than the marketing team who need something 'new' to sell. And even they're not that bothered as, a few weirdos aside, everyone uses Windows anyway.
paulrockliffe said:
That part is just branding though, there'll be nothing coming as W11 that wasn't coming as W10 Release 21H2 or whatever it the Autumn update should be called. At best a few things have been held back this year to bump up the changes.
I suspect what's happened is someone pointed out it makes no difference to anyone other than the marketing team who need something 'new' to sell. And even they're not that bothered as, a few weirdos aside, everyone uses Windows anyway.
I can go along with that. I cant remember it was probably a YouTube Video but someone did a comparison between Windows 10 as it was late last year and the initial release. Along the way some things had obviously changed I suspect what's happened is someone pointed out it makes no difference to anyone other than the marketing team who need something 'new' to sell. And even they're not that bothered as, a few weirdos aside, everyone uses Windows anyway.
This latest thing seems to be more about the start menu but whether its in the middle of the screen to the left or the right so long as it functions its fine
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