Windows 11 - lightweight? fast? and Android?
Discussion
saaby93 said:
Is it clear whether TPM is beneficial?
No idea, I hadn't heard of it until tonight.I've turned it on in BIOS and confirmed I have 2.0, but it still says I can't have W11. No idea if I'd need to do anything else or what, but I don't believe my machine won't run it.
The only thing I could see in the BIOS was I have "UEFI and Legacy" turned on, maybe it needs to be UEFI only, but I've no idea.
I'll be annoyed though if I can't get it on my two older machines, they've been upgraded all the way from W7 to W8 to W10 for free, it would be annoying not to get 11 on them as I like having a consistent setup across all my machines and I don't want to end up not being able to carry on upgrading those licenses as they're ones that can be transferred onto new machines in time.
Mr Whippy said:
Is TPM for bitlocker on as default?
Alternatively you could secure with, shock horror, a strong password.
Depends what you mean by secure and whether you want it.Alternatively you could secure with, shock horror, a strong password.
If you forget your password can you still remove the HDD and install it in another machine to retrieve your data?
Nimby said:
colin79666 said:
Requires TPM 2.0.
My 5 year old Gigabyte motherboard has a 14 pin header for the module and they seem cheap enough. Not a showstopper...However the TPM command gives:
.So the Health Check is completely useless as it doesn't say why the system can't run Win11.
Edit: Ahh - my old i5 6500 CPU is not on the supported list.
Edited by Nimby on Friday 25th June 09:34
Nimby said:
Nimby said:
colin79666 said:
Requires TPM 2.0.
My 5 year old Gigabyte motherboard has a 14 pin header for the module and they seem cheap enough. Not a showstopper...However the TPM command gives:
.So the Health Check is completely useless as it doesn't say why the system can't run Win11.
saaby93] said:
Why so bloaty?
Perhaps its not bloaty at all. Perhaps MS are just fed up of people on here running free software on their old s
te machines that they bought in 2004 then bhing and whining about how their brand new £4K macbook is soooooo much faster and how windows is ste.This time round - if your machine is worth less than your underpants you can forget it.
Order66 said:
saaby93] said:
Why so bloaty?
Perhaps its not bloaty at all. Perhaps MS are just fed up of people on here running free software on their old ste machines that they bought in 2004 then bhing and whining about how their brand new £4K macbook is soooooo much faster and how windows is ste.This time round - if your machine is worth less than your underpants you can forget it.
How did their machine with Windows XP and 4MB RAM and a 20GB HDD not only outperform the latest machine with 60GB of bloatware but have decent features like a virtual desktop and if necessary a task manager that could actually stop errant processes
QuartzDad said:
Dromedary66 said:
Didn't like the centre task bar icon arrangement and immediately moved that back to the left. Feels like they are trying to ape macOS
Apparently the taskbar can only be at the bottom now, there's 10+ years of muscle memory I'm going to have to overcome.
Havent they realised that people organise these things to give maximum vertical space for documents on a horizontal wide screen LCD?
i.e. shift the task bar out of the way to the side.
Undock any undockable menu bars so they float to one side.
Kill the ribbon
saaby93 said:
Depends what you mean by secure and whether you want it.
If you forget your password can you still remove the HDD and install it in another machine to retrieve your data?
TPM is just a tamper proof key.If you forget your password can you still remove the HDD and install it in another machine to retrieve your data?
You need to store the encryption key to retrieve on another device.
But if you have a crap password into windows and someone lifts your device, then they’re into your data.
Or you can just encrypt using a password that is equally crap, and manually input it each cold boot up, negating the need for a TPM.
TPM is just a handy way to store a complex key for easy booting and encryption.
But if your hardware fails and no backup of the encryption key, data is lost forever.
For most users, they save data into cloud etc. 2FA and all that jazz. So data should be safe there so TPMis great.
But any user who doesn’t want all that, can manage ALL their encryption needs by themselves with passwords and backups and no TPM.
Given what a recent user of windows had on here, with uploaded kids photos of them in bath naked and their account getting locked, it sounds like a bad move to ‘trust’ Microsoft with all their backup data.
Most users who don’t get what’s going on and just blindly use/assume all is ok, will be protected with cloud/tpm... but then their risk is data loss due to all the new variables they don’t now understand.
Mr Whippy said:
TPM is just a tamper proof key.
You need to store the encryption key to retrieve on another device.
But if you have a crap password into windows and someone lifts your device, then they’re into your data.
Or you can just encrypt using a password that is equally crap, and manually input it each cold boot up, negating the need for a TPM.
TPM is just a handy way to store a complex key for easy booting and encryption.
But if your hardware fails and no backup of the encryption key, data is lost forever.
For most users, they save data into cloud etc. 2FA and all that jazz. So data should be safe there so TPMis great.
But any user who doesn’t want all that, can manage ALL their encryption needs by themselves with passwords and backups and no TPM.
Given what a recent user of windows had on here, with uploaded kids photos of them in bath naked and their account getting locked, it sounds like a bad move to ‘trust’ Microsoft with all their backup data.
Most users who don’t get what’s going on and just blindly use/assume all is ok, will be protected with cloud/tpm... but then their risk is data loss due to all the new variables they don’t now understand.
CheersYou need to store the encryption key to retrieve on another device.
But if you have a crap password into windows and someone lifts your device, then they’re into your data.
Or you can just encrypt using a password that is equally crap, and manually input it each cold boot up, negating the need for a TPM.
TPM is just a handy way to store a complex key for easy booting and encryption.
But if your hardware fails and no backup of the encryption key, data is lost forever.
For most users, they save data into cloud etc. 2FA and all that jazz. So data should be safe there so TPMis great.
But any user who doesn’t want all that, can manage ALL their encryption needs by themselves with passwords and backups and no TPM.
Given what a recent user of windows had on here, with uploaded kids photos of them in bath naked and their account getting locked, it sounds like a bad move to ‘trust’ Microsoft with all their backup data.
Most users who don’t get what’s going on and just blindly use/assume all is ok, will be protected with cloud/tpm... but then their risk is data loss due to all the new variables they don’t now understand.
I was wondering why my PC required tyre pressure monitoring
saaby93 said:
It's the other way around
How did their machine with Windows XP and 4MB RAM and a 20GB HDD not only outperform the latest machine with 60GB of bloatware but have decent features like a virtual desktop and if necessary a task manager that could actually stop errant processes
I dont use Windows often but the task manager is rubbish, highlight what you want and press end task... again and again. How did their machine with Windows XP and 4MB RAM and a 20GB HDD not only outperform the latest machine with 60GB of bloatware but have decent features like a virtual desktop and if necessary a task manager that could actually stop errant processes
Linux you just open a terminal, type top or Htop,find the process number ie 123 and do kill 123.
Nimby said:
Edit: Ahh - my old i5 6500 CPU is not on the supported list.
Wow, that's even more restrictive than the TPM 2.0 requirement. It looks like you need at least an 8th generation processor & they were only released in late 2017/2018.Surely they aren't condemning eveything before 2018 to the bin?
Mr Pointy said:
Wow, that's even more restrictive than the TPM 2.0 requirement. It looks like you need at least an 8th generation processor & they were only released in late 2017/2018.
Surely they aren't condemning eveything before 2018 to the bin?
I'm wondering if that list is for being sold new with 11, rather than compatibility per se.Surely they aren't condemning eveything before 2018 to the bin?
This link https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/compatibi... suggests TPM 1.2 is acceptable.
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