Windows 11 - lightweight? fast? and Android?

[anxious_ant]

Mr Pointy said:

rustyuk said:

My 2013 Macbook Pro is far quicker and much nicer to develop on than any of my recent windows laptops with most of them costing nearly 2k each.

Why is that relevant to a discusion about Windows 11?

[808 Estate]

I dont think I upgraded to W10 until it had been out for 2 years and most of the bugs sorted out. Will probably do the same with 11.

[FourWheelDrift]

Scalpers have moved into TPM modules, don't get conned. If you have a new PC that meets all the requirements but fails the TPM check you only have to turn on TPM in the BIOS because your motherboard has a TPM module already, see end of this story - https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-windows-11-...

Don't do it yet though, not until you need to as Windows 11 may still change. And it's just another thing to remember if you need to reset the BIOS.

[Mr Pointy]

FourWheelDrift said:

Scalpers have moved into TPM modules, don't get conned. If you have a new PC that meets all the requirements but fails the TPM check you only have to turn on TPM in the BIOS because your motherboard has a TPM module already, see end of this story - https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-windows-11-...

Don't do it yet though, not until you need to as Windows 11 may still change. And it's just another thing to remember if you need to reset the BIOS.

Nope, there are plenty of PCs that are only capable of TPM v1.2 (old PCs, but still perfectly serviceable). It's not as straightforward as you make out.

[sjg]

Had to enable fTPM in the BIOS of my AMD Ryzen deskop and it passes OK now.

Work laptop has an i7-7500U so fails just on the CPU requirement. I've had it just over 3 years.

[saaby93]

sjg said:

Had to enable fTPM in the BIOS of my AMD Ryzen deskop and it passes OK now.

Work laptop has an i7-7500U so fails just on the CPU requirement. I've had it just over 3 years.

Has anyone worked out why it needs the extra CPU requirement? It looked like it was removing quite a few Win10 features

[sjg]

This references a "soft floor" - your CPU needs to be on the list for best experience and you'll be deterred (but not prevented) from upgrading. The "hard floor" is it needs to be dual core and over 1Ghz, or it won't run at all.

https://uk.pcmag.com/migrated-3765-windows-10/1341...

[Nimby]

saaby93 said:

Has anyone worked out why it needs the extra CPU requirement? It looked like it was removing quite a few Win10 features

There's a well-argued post on a Dell forum asking Microsoft why at least Kaby Lake / Skylake i5/i7 CPU's aren't supported while some lower-spec Celerons are.

Response from a Microsoft VP is a rather flippant "There's a bunch of factors"... "to ensure everyone has a great experience".

[Jinx]

Hmm looks like I won't be bothering installing 11 even though my PC now says it is capable - you can't reposition the task bar! I have mine at the top on my home PC and on the bottom for any remote machine I'm accessing. It is a simple visual cue so I know what machine I'm working on. I also have ObjectDock installed on my home machine (hence why the task bar is at the top of the screen) and this has been installed on my PCs since Vista days so I will be unlikely to switch to the central start menu in Win 11.

[saaby93]

sjg said:

This references a "soft floor" - your CPU needs to be on the list for best experience and you'll be deterred (but not prevented) from upgrading. The "hard floor" is it needs to be dual core and over 1Ghz, or it won't run at all.

https://uk.pcmag.com/migrated-3765-windows-10/1341...

it probably needs all its processing power to keep the spinning circle of dots going while deciding how long to wait to do the task youve just asked.

[Nimby]

Nimby said:

... So the Health Check is completely useless as it doesn't say why the system can't run Win11.

A new version just has just been released which does at least explain why a bit better.

In my case it said I didn't have Secure Boot enabled. So I disabed CSM in BIOS which revealed a Secure Boot menu. Enabled that and ended up with no bootable devices. Realised my SSD must be MBR, so undid the BIOS changes, ran MBR2GPT, re-enabled secure boot and mercifully Windows started OK.
But now Health Check says my CPU isn't up to snuff, which I knew anyway.

So just be aware: the new Health Check only reports the first problem it finds, not all of them.

[808 Estate]

Gary C said:

Thought MS had declared windows 10 was the last operating system needed ?

[TameRacingDriver]

Jinx said:

Hmm looks like I won't be bothering installing 11 even though my PC now says it is capable - you can't reposition the task bar!

This annoys me. I was hoping they would improve the vertical taskbars, not get rid of the option entirely. Very poor move IMO.

[saaby93]

Gary C said:

Thought MS had declared windows 10 was the last operating system needed ?

Here we go 808 Estate

[NGRhodes]

saaby93 said:

sjg said:

Had to enable fTPM in the BIOS of my AMD Ryzen deskop and it passes OK now.

Work laptop has an i7-7500U so fails just on the CPU requirement. I've had it just over 3 years.

Has anyone worked out why it needs the extra CPU requirement? It looked like it was removing quite a few Win10 features

A big thing is CPU/Motherboards still need to be supported by manufacturers (Intel, AMD) so that drivers can be developed/tested/updated for Win11 to support any new features utilised or fix any bugs exposed during testing.
Some of it is simply capacity, with limited resources to test Windows 11 hardware compatibility, a line has to be drawn in the sand or Win11 would never ship in a reasonable timeframe.

[saaby93]

anonymous said:

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Do you have a VM that can return the TPM requirements without that being a feature of the base unit?

[FunkyNige]

Mr Pointy said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Scalpers have moved into TPM modules, don't get conned. If you have a new PC that meets all the requirements but fails the TPM check you only have to turn on TPM in the BIOS because your motherboard has a TPM module already, see end of this story - https://hothardware.com/news/microsoft-windows-11-...

Don't do it yet though, not until you need to as Windows 11 may still change. And it's just another thing to remember if you need to reset the BIOS.

Nope, there are plenty of PCs that are only capable of TPM v1.2 (old PCs, but still perfectly serviceable). It's not as straightforward as you make out.

I'm not sure if mine is capable of TPM 2.0 or not, a quick Google throws up an old forum post saying it only supports up to 1.2 but there's nothing on the Gigabyte website that show anything useful except where the socket is to put the TPM module in. Nowhere in the BIOS that I can see has the option just to turn it on, but I've never flashed it so maybe that's something that was updated later?
I ordered one from Scan on Friday and it's now on pre-order so maybe one will turn up before Windows 11 is available, maybe it won't...!
It's a "gigabyte z97x-gaming 3", released in 2014 (I think).

[Nimby]

FunkyNige said:

I'm not sure if mine is capable of TPM 2.0 or not, a quick Google throws up an old forum post saying it only supports up to 1.2 but there's nothing on the Gigabyte website that show anything useful except where the socket is to put the TPM module in. Nowhere in the BIOS that I can see has the option just to turn it on, but I've never flashed it so maybe that's something that was updated later?
I ordered one from Scan on Friday and it's now on pre-order so maybe one will turn up before Windows 11 is available, maybe it won't...!
It's a "gigabyte z97x-gaming 3", released in 2014 (I think).

On my Gigabyte BIOS it was something like "Intel platform technology" that enabled TPM 2.0.

[snuffy]

I've just installed it on a Hyper-V VM.

You have to create a Gen 2 VM, then enable TPM in the VM.

I'm already signed up for the Insider Program, so I downloaded the Windows 10 Insider iso, installed it (linked to my MS account), then "check for updates" and it downloaded and installed Windows 11.

My PC won't install W11 because the OS disk is set to MBR, and if I change the BIOS to Secure Boot it won't boot. I know I can convert the OS disk to GPT but I don't fancy doing that !

[FiF]

https://youtu.be/qzj6hFk_fgI

didn't take long.