Nvidia RTX 4000 Launch
Discussion
Live now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uo8rs5YfIYY
Remix Mod looks amazing. - https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-remix-ai-assisted-...
They showed Elder Scrolls III Morrowind modded using Remix.
Remix Mod looks amazing. - https://wccftech.com/nvidia-rtx-remix-ai-assisted-...
They showed Elder Scrolls III Morrowind modded using Remix.
Edited by FourWheelDrift on Tuesday 20th September 19:53
FourWheelDrift said:
RTX 4090 - $1599 from Oct 12th
RTX 4080 (16GB) - $1,199 from November
RTX 4080 (4070 spec) 12GB - $899 from November.
Ouch :-( Refer to my last post on 3000 Series thread RTX 4080 (16GB) - $1,199 from November
RTX 4080 (4070 spec) 12GB - $899 from November.
Looks like i'll be sticking with my 2070 Super mind you at 1440 I cant complain however the PC has been very neglected since I received my Steam Deck.
Edited by Narcisus on Tuesday 20th September 18:20
A strange 'launch' ... they actually have pushed up the performance/price but largely because they previously charged so much for the 3090 cards.
The 16GB 4080 has now been massively increased in price compared to the 3080 and even the lesser specced 12GB model is still considerably more expensive than the old 3080.
Really, the 12GB 4080 is different enough to the 16GB model that it shouldn't have even been called a 4080. Ideally it would be a 4070 (or maybe a 4070Ti) but I guess they knew that if they tried to sell a '4070' model at $900 compared to the $500 that the 3070 was officially priced at, they'd have got a ton of criticism.
So it's impressive that they've improved their top end but I will hold judgement until I see the mainstream cards - how much they cost and what sort of performance relative to 30xx that they offer.
Allegedly there are massive stocks of 30xx chips/cards still out there, so the 30xx is likely to continue to be available for a while and probably at decent prices. Maybe they won't bother offering 40xx 'value' cards until that stock is out of the channel.
The 16GB 4080 has now been massively increased in price compared to the 3080 and even the lesser specced 12GB model is still considerably more expensive than the old 3080.
Really, the 12GB 4080 is different enough to the 16GB model that it shouldn't have even been called a 4080. Ideally it would be a 4070 (or maybe a 4070Ti) but I guess they knew that if they tried to sell a '4070' model at $900 compared to the $500 that the 3070 was officially priced at, they'd have got a ton of criticism.
So it's impressive that they've improved their top end but I will hold judgement until I see the mainstream cards - how much they cost and what sort of performance relative to 30xx that they offer.
Allegedly there are massive stocks of 30xx chips/cards still out there, so the 30xx is likely to continue to be available for a while and probably at decent prices. Maybe they won't bother offering 40xx 'value' cards until that stock is out of the channel.
At actual RRP the 30xx cards offer good price/performance.
It's just that during almost the entire time since release, you couldn't get a third party 30xx card at anything remotely close to the RRP, if you could even get one at all
More than that, RRP was never really going to be achievable for third party AIBs anyway, based on what NVidia were charging them for the chips. NVidia released their own FE cards at RRP but in very limited quantities which sold out instantly.
It'll be interesting to see what 40xx cards at around the price points of 3080 and 3070 eventually become available, and how they measure up. My guess is that you'll be looking at maybe a 25-30% boost for the same RRP, with some power savings. Likely to be quite some time before we see the more affordable cards though.
It's just that during almost the entire time since release, you couldn't get a third party 30xx card at anything remotely close to the RRP, if you could even get one at all
More than that, RRP was never really going to be achievable for third party AIBs anyway, based on what NVidia were charging them for the chips. NVidia released their own FE cards at RRP but in very limited quantities which sold out instantly.
It'll be interesting to see what 40xx cards at around the price points of 3080 and 3070 eventually become available, and how they measure up. My guess is that you'll be looking at maybe a 25-30% boost for the same RRP, with some power savings. Likely to be quite some time before we see the more affordable cards though.
Until these cards are available at retail I'm a bit wary of Nvidia paper launches. I'm still on a 2080TI that runs everything I play up to 180FPS depending on the game. I'm always interested in new hardware but over the past few years it has been impossible to buy these cards due to Crypto use. There may well be a glut of second hand cards flooding the market now that ETH has moved to proof of stake and energy prices are high. Probably worth holding out for a bargain high end 3080/3090 on ebay in a few months time.
oh I do hope so !Remember the 4080 12GB will not be anywhere at its RRP as there is no Founders Edition for the 12GB, only the 16GB, so them even stating an RRP is laughable. I fully expect to see the 4080 12GB (AKA gimped edition) at 4 figures as a result.
As a 3080 Ti FE owner, I see no reason to upgrade. DLSS 3 would have been nice, but the DLSS 3 system is a superset of DLSS 2, and whilst DLSS will continue to be developed and improved, 30xx card owners will still benefit from those improvements in DLSS Super Res and Reflex. The missing part is Frame Generation which is only efficient on 40xx hardware as the 30xx flow accelerators aren't as fast or good quality to manage it.
So yeah, we will still see DLSS gains as time goes on with 30xx cards so no reason to panic as if DLSS is dead going forwards for 30xx cards.
If the 4080 16GB was around the £700 mark and shows actual raster performance in leagues ahead of a 3080 Ti then sure, I could see a situation where selling the 3080 Ti and adding a bit to get the 4080 16GB would make sense as not all games coming out will offer DLSS (Callisto Protocol is hot on my list and is an AMD sponsored game so raster performance will come into it when enabling the ray tracing settings).
As a 3080 Ti FE owner, I see no reason to upgrade. DLSS 3 would have been nice, but the DLSS 3 system is a superset of DLSS 2, and whilst DLSS will continue to be developed and improved, 30xx card owners will still benefit from those improvements in DLSS Super Res and Reflex. The missing part is Frame Generation which is only efficient on 40xx hardware as the 30xx flow accelerators aren't as fast or good quality to manage it.
So yeah, we will still see DLSS gains as time goes on with 30xx cards so no reason to panic as if DLSS is dead going forwards for 30xx cards.
If the 4080 16GB was around the £700 mark and shows actual raster performance in leagues ahead of a 3080 Ti then sure, I could see a situation where selling the 3080 Ti and adding a bit to get the 4080 16GB would make sense as not all games coming out will offer DLSS (Callisto Protocol is hot on my list and is an AMD sponsored game so raster performance will come into it when enabling the ray tracing settings).
Edited by robbiekhan on Wednesday 21st September 12:16
4000 series around 55% at best faster than 3000 series at rasterization, it's DLSS 3.0 doing all the heavy lifting to achieve the 2x-4x improvements and then only if the game supports DLSS 3.0. Some games have been updated to v2 but there are still some on v1 and many that don't use it.
Glad to see pricing and availability has dropped to more realistic levels and, as my 5700XT is now 'long in the tooth', I'm looking at a purchase this Christmas. Struggling to decide between a 68/900 XT or go with a 3800. I'm aware that the 4 series will perform better but I'm not confident in future availability and bang-per-buck pricing. Both the AMD and NVidia gpus are more than capable of dealing with modern titles maxxed out and will be for some time to come. I guess it all comes down to the Ray tracing and full confidence in NVidias capability and performance over AMDs pricing.
I'm currently leaning on the AMD side at the moment....
I'm currently leaning on the AMD side at the moment....
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