Nvidia RTX 4000 Launch
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4070 not really shaping up too well in testing - doesn't actually keep up with a 3080 at 1440p-4k in general:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHDq-LEGzw
I was expecting it to be on a par with, if not a smidge better than a 3080... Think I'll hold off on buying for the time being.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZHDq-LEGzw
I was expecting it to be on a par with, if not a smidge better than a 3080... Think I'll hold off on buying for the time being.
Narcisus said:
So I’ve decided to go for a 4070 to replace my 2070 Super. My 2070 cost around £550 so seems like half decent value …. So I certainty can’t be arsed to be sat pressing F4 on some site to buy one.
I’m flying home from the Canaries tomorrow what are the chances I will just be able to pick one up ?
If I can’t just buy one then f
k it I’ll stick with the 2070 S I’m sick of all this short supply scalper bullst.
Oh what could I expect to get for the 2070 Super ?
If you aren't in the UK at the time they drop, then you won't be able to get a 4070FE .. they geo-restrict purchases and they do quite a bit of extra checking for things like VPNs. That's only for the Founders Cards from NVidia/ScanI’m flying home from the Canaries tomorrow what are the chances I will just be able to pick one up ?
If I can’t just buy one then f
k it I’ll stick with the 2070 S I’m sick of all this short supply scalper bullst.Oh what could I expect to get for the 2070 Super ?
Narcisus said:
Guess I’ll not bother then watching the DF review looked like a decent bump up using the new silicon with RT and frame gen. I’m running 1440.
Check the Gamers Nexus review and see what you think.In terms of raw performance, they are behind 3080. The frame generation is all very well but it's going to add latency and possible graphical artifacts (plus the game has to support it) so I wouldn't rely on it, just treat it as a bonus which might help a particular game.
Of course, if you have a GTX1xxx or RTX2xxx then it could still be a great upgrade.
Looks like the 16GB AMD 6900XT (or 6950XT) is the one to go for at around the £600 mark...unless you really need something only the Nvidia cards offer...especially if you use any of the poorly-optimised games that require as much VRAM as possible (looking at you Hogwarts / Last of Us).
Having seen a few reviews, seems on average that the 4070 (vs the 3080) is a little bit quicker at 1080p, about the same at 1440p and a little bit slower at 4K. So not disastrous but not great either.
Almost certainly the 4K under-performance is down to the restricted memory bandwidth. That's also whats gimping the 4070Ti too, which theoretically should be somewhere between 3090/3090Ti performance but at 4K isn't nearly as much faster than a 3080 as it ought to be.
NVidia not really endearing themselves to gamers here by basically trying to give the bare minimum RAM for high performance cards (which might not be enough for new AAA games in a few years) and pushing 4K gamers to the super expensive 4080 thanks to restricting the memory bandwidth on the 4070 series.
Also notable, the generational price/performance leap nothing like as good as most previous gens. Some real profiteering going on here in the wake of seeing what the market would bear during cryptomania.
Almost certainly the 4K under-performance is down to the restricted memory bandwidth. That's also whats gimping the 4070Ti too, which theoretically should be somewhere between 3090/3090Ti performance but at 4K isn't nearly as much faster than a 3080 as it ought to be.
NVidia not really endearing themselves to gamers here by basically trying to give the bare minimum RAM for high performance cards (which might not be enough for new AAA games in a few years) and pushing 4K gamers to the super expensive 4080 thanks to restricting the memory bandwidth on the 4070 series.
Also notable, the generational price/performance leap nothing like as good as most previous gens. Some real profiteering going on here in the wake of seeing what the market would bear during cryptomania.
Edited by Lucas Ayde on Thursday 13th April 10:39
Yes, prices are still mad and NVidia trying to take all the profits they were upset went to the scalpers during pandemic. Hopefully people will just not buy them, but I suspect they will, similar to me, my old 1070 just was not cutting it on newer games. The AMD alternative is slightly better, but they are not cutting their prices to make NVidia do so either....
Apart perhaps from OEMs who probably get significant discounts I honestly don't know who is buying these cards. I've never been shy of spending money on top of the range GPUs and have done so pretty much for the past 20 years. This stopped with my last upgrade to the 2080ti.
Since then cryptomania meant that even if I wanted a 3080/90ti they simply weren't available and if they were the prices were comically high. I gave up on this series as my 2080ti was still quick enough for all the games I play and I assumed that I'd just jump a generation and grab the top of the range card in the 4000 series once they came out and were hopefully actually available to buy.
Now they are available but at levels where the relative value of the upgrade is not even close to being worth it, even for a lifelong PC geek with the disposable income to cover it. I'm really struggling to understand Nvidia's strategy when the cheapest card they offer in the new series is £600 and this is outperformed by legacy cards. I get the halo card argument but even if the 4080/90 are just halo cards to sell the lower end cards where are the lower end cards to be sold?
What am I missing. Is Nvidia actually selling any cards?
Since then cryptomania meant that even if I wanted a 3080/90ti they simply weren't available and if they were the prices were comically high. I gave up on this series as my 2080ti was still quick enough for all the games I play and I assumed that I'd just jump a generation and grab the top of the range card in the 4000 series once they came out and were hopefully actually available to buy.
Now they are available but at levels where the relative value of the upgrade is not even close to being worth it, even for a lifelong PC geek with the disposable income to cover it. I'm really struggling to understand Nvidia's strategy when the cheapest card they offer in the new series is £600 and this is outperformed by legacy cards. I get the halo card argument but even if the 4080/90 are just halo cards to sell the lower end cards where are the lower end cards to be sold?
What am I missing. Is Nvidia actually selling any cards?
B0bajobbob said:
Apart perhaps from OEMs who probably get significant discounts I honestly don't know who is buying these cards. I've never been shy of spending money on top of the range GPUs and have done so pretty much for the past 20 years. This stopped with my last upgrade to the 2080ti.
Since then cryptomania meant that even if I wanted a 3080/90ti they simply weren't available and if they were the prices were comically high. I gave up on this series as my 2080ti was still quick enough for all the games I play and I assumed that I'd just jump a generation and grab the top of the range card in the 4000 series once they came out and were hopefully actually available to buy.
Now they are available but at levels where the relative value of the upgrade is not even close to being worth it, even for a lifelong PC geek with the disposable income to cover it. I'm really struggling to understand Nvidia's strategy when the cheapest card they offer in the new series is £600 and this is outperformed by legacy cards. I get the halo card argument but even if the 4080/90 are just halo cards to sell the lower end cards where are the lower end cards to be sold?
What am I missing. Is Nvidia actually selling any cards?
I agree and was in the same position in pandemic, no way I was paying those prices. My problem is I was stuck with a 1070 which i bought from OCUK when they had a member only offer on during that crytomania so I really needed an upgrade. If I'd paid the extra 100 quid for the 1080 I might have been in a better position and I held out as long as i could, but the 1070 was dieing, so.... I bit the bullet and hopefully this 4080 will last ages. Time will tell. Still stings to be stung for over a grand though, for a damn graphics card.... The 12GB 4070Ti just didnt cut it.Since then cryptomania meant that even if I wanted a 3080/90ti they simply weren't available and if they were the prices were comically high. I gave up on this series as my 2080ti was still quick enough for all the games I play and I assumed that I'd just jump a generation and grab the top of the range card in the 4000 series once they came out and were hopefully actually available to buy.
Now they are available but at levels where the relative value of the upgrade is not even close to being worth it, even for a lifelong PC geek with the disposable income to cover it. I'm really struggling to understand Nvidia's strategy when the cheapest card they offer in the new series is £600 and this is outperformed by legacy cards. I get the halo card argument but even if the 4080/90 are just halo cards to sell the lower end cards where are the lower end cards to be sold?
What am I missing. Is Nvidia actually selling any cards?
This one probably will sell well .. its a decentupgrade for anything 2070 downwards even if it disappointing as a generational upgrade.
A lot of people missed out on getting an RTX3000 series due to the shortages and crazy scalper prices, so this one is their first chance to get a decent performance boost.
A lot of people missed out on getting an RTX3000 series due to the shortages and crazy scalper prices, so this one is their first chance to get a decent performance boost.
MickC said:
I agree and was in the same position in pandemic, no way I was paying those prices. My problem is I was stuck with a 1070 which i bought from OCUK when they had a member only offer on during that crytomania so I really needed an upgrade. If I'd paid the extra 100 quid for the 1080 I might have been in a better position and I held out as long as i could, but the 1070 was dieing, so.... I bit the bullet and hopefully this 4080 will last ages. Time will tell. Still stings to be stung for over a grand though, for a damn graphics card.... The 12GB 4070Ti just didnt cut it.
I guess I will probably and eventually relent and follow you down the 4080 route. It feels like the best bang for the buck card at the moment despite being way too many bucks. At least with that card I won't have to upgrade my PSU as well whereas that seems necessary with the 4090. Hopefully one of the 3rd party card builders will find a way to release these at a more competitive price point as demand wains.With a 2080Ti you are still doing ok in most games. Of course if you needed a 2080Ti back then, then you probably want the best experience so even skipping a generation as you say you will need a 4080 or higher to get a decent upgrade. Now I've paid the stupid price, I'm hoping the 16GB of RAM and decent memory bandwidth and ok core counts/clock speeds will keep me going past the 50xx cards, whatever they may bring. Hopefully nvidia eventually comes to its senses on pricing (and AMD too!), but it doesn't look like it. I can't see people who managed to get hold of high end 20xx or any 3070/3080/3090 card paying 4080 money for not much of an upgrade, so maybe the market will grind to a halt and they'll be forced to price sensibly.
I know it’s a bit of a dirty word but frame generation needs to play a factor in decision making when it comes to 4070 vs 6950 or 3080 (the latter you can’t get new anymore anyway).
Frame gen is already in a decent state as long as you base frame rate is over 50ish fps and will improve with time as DLSS has.
Fixing frame gen to 4000 series cards feels somewhat artificial but fact remains it does a decent job.
AMD will introduce their version at some point but no one knows what it’ll look like or when it’ll arrive. You can’t make an informed decision on it so you have to consider 6950 with just FSR vs 4070 with DLSS and frame generation and imo tips the balance in favour of the 4070. While the specs on paper are bullst the actual experience on screen will be better.
Frame gen also all happens on the GPU so older CPUs will last longer before bottlenecking.
Frame gen is already in a decent state as long as you base frame rate is over 50ish fps and will improve with time as DLSS has.
Fixing frame gen to 4000 series cards feels somewhat artificial but fact remains it does a decent job.
AMD will introduce their version at some point but no one knows what it’ll look like or when it’ll arrive. You can’t make an informed decision on it so you have to consider 6950 with just FSR vs 4070 with DLSS and frame generation and imo tips the balance in favour of the 4070. While the specs on paper are bulls
t the actual experience on screen will be better. Frame gen also all happens on the GPU so older CPUs will last longer before bottlenecking.
Edited by Brainpox on Thursday 13th April 13:26
4070 cards live from 2pm look to be £589 for partner boards.
Same price as higher boosting Founders cards also available now - https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/gpu/?...
Lets see how long they last.
Same price as higher boosting Founders cards also available now - https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/gpu/?...
Lets see how long they last.
14:08 4070 FE out of stock, probably didn't have many on launch day.
Other boards still available at £589 some more examples - https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-...
Other boards still available at £589 some more examples - https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-...
2nd FE delivery or failed sales, back to available - https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/gpu/?...
Decided to pick one up anyway (the FE) despite my reservations ... just got one from the alert on the PE discord.
For some reason the link didn't work in a PC browser so just did if from the phone .. ?
More expensive than I thought ... 589 quid. But hopefully I can get a decent amount back when I sell the 3070
For some reason the link didn't work in a PC browser so just did if from the phone .. ?
More expensive than I thought ... 589 quid. But hopefully I can get a decent amount back when I sell the 3070
FourWheelDrift said:
2nd FE delivery or failed sales, back to available - https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/gpu/?...
I only got the Part Alert discord notification at 14:14 ... must have been the 'second' batch from failed sales.... ?
Actual buying process was pretty smooth on the phone browser, I don't believe I had to log in to the Scan website unlike with the 3070FE drop a couple of years ago ... just had to give an email and credit card details. There was also an option where you could give a different address for the CC than the delivery address, which was something that screwed a lot of people over and lead to failed sales back for the 3000 series drops.
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