Nvidia RTX 4000 Launch

[B0bajobbob]

MickC said:

With a 2080Ti you are still doing ok in most games. Of course if you needed a 2080Ti back then, then you probably want the best experience so even skipping a generation as you say you will need a 4080 or higher to get a decent upgrade. Now I've paid the stupid price, I'm hoping the 16GB of RAM and decent memory bandwidth and ok core counts/clock speeds will keep me going past the 50xx cards, whatever they may bring. Hopefully nvidia eventually comes to its senses on pricing (and AMD too!), but it doesn't look like it. I can't see people who managed to get hold of high end 20xx or any 3070/3080/3090 card paying 4080 money for not much of an upgrade, so maybe the market will grind to a halt and they'll be forced to price sensibly.

I used to build a new top of the range PC every 5 years or so, usually overclocking and upgrading the GPU a couple of times before the CPU/Motherboard became obsolete necessitating a full rebuild. I just haven't felt the need in recent years as software hasn't advanced as fast as hardware. I think my current setup is good enough for one more GPU bump before the CPU becomes a bottleneck but as you say I'm struggling as my 2080 is good enough for everything I play today. Its 4080/90 or wait another year or for AMD/ATI to pull their fingers out.

[Narcisus]

Looking at Scan stock doesn’t look like I’m going to have to rush making my mind up …

[MickC]

B0bajobbob said:

I used to build a new top of the range PC every 5 years or so, usually overclocking and upgrading the GPU a couple of times before the CPU/Motherboard became obsolete necessitating a full rebuild. I just haven't felt the need in recent years as software hasn't advanced as fast as hardware. I think my current setup is good enough for one more GPU bump before the CPU becomes a bottleneck but as you say I'm struggling as my 2080 is good enough for everything I play today. Its 4080/90 or wait another year or for AMD/ATI to pull their fingers out.

Yes similar. I'm currently running an AM4 board which I've had for more than 2 years now, with a Ryzen 7 3800X processor and 32GB of 3600 DDR4 and 2x 1TB M.2 drives. That started as 16GB and only 1TB M.2, originally paired with the GTX1070. So the other components have got an upgrade, and the graphics card has had to wait till now. The plan was to eventually go with the fastest CPU and most cores this board would eventually take, but I'm torn between a 5800X3D or a 5950X now, and have held off on that for now. The 4080 doen't seem to be bottlenecked by that 3800X in the games I play yet, but soon....

[Lucas Ayde]

FourWheelDrift said:

And still available, maybe the first link was an error.

Possibly they closed purchases but kept the page there? IIRC the last time for 3000s you would get the product page when the drop started but if they were sold out, clicking to put in basket did not work. Then if sales fell through they became buyable again, that's actually how I got my 3070FE. Once all were fully allocated, the product page just disappeared.

Since the alert didn't come through til 14:14 I may have initially landed on the page (using the PC browser) when all were sold, then by the time I switched to phone a few mins later, they were available again (staged stock release, sales falling through?).

Anyway, will be interesting to see how the new card fares. I think I will be able to get decent performance on full 32:9 games on my G9 and it will be more than good enough for my 1080p streams to TV (which were totally fine on the 3070 anyway) ... I might render at 1440p to get oversampling and improve the 1080p image.

I do think that NVidia are taking the mickey somewhat with the RTX4000 releases. Crazy how AMD aren't trying to take the opportunity to get in there when they are vulnerable. Also, they have annoyed a lot of former fans so have hurt the brand IMO.

[Lucas Ayde]

MickC said:

Yes similar. I'm currently running an AM4 board which I've had for more than 2 years now, with a Ryzen 7 3800X processor and 32GB of 3600 DDR4 and 2x 1TB M.2 drives. That started as 16GB and only 1TB M.2, originally paired with the GTX1070. So the other components have got an upgrade, and the graphics card has had to wait till now. The plan was to eventually go with the fastest CPU and most cores this board would eventually take, but I'm torn between a 5800X3D or a 5950X now, and have held off on that for now. The 4080 doen't seem to be bottlenecked by that 3800X in the games I play yet, but soon....

5800X3D would be a very easy choice to make if gaming is your bag

To be fair, when I went 3700X to 5900X (thats 8 to 12 cores and a generational update), day to day use and most games didn't really feel any different. You notice it when using handbrake or doing a lot of archive compression/decompression though. Also meant I could fire up lots of things at once with little slowdown which is really nice. I can't remember the last time any application seemed to lag on me, even if I'm running something like a handbrake encode in the background.

[OpenToeSlipper]

I've purchased an FE 4070 card from nvidia site. Is this considered the better card or should I have went for one of the third party iterations?..

Edited by OpenToeSlipper on Thursday 13th April 17:54

[Brainpox]

OpenToeSlipper said:

I've purchased an FE 4070 card from nvidia site. Is this considered the better card or should I have went for one of the third party iterations?..

Edited by OpenToeSlipper on Thursday 13th April 17:54

There’s nothing in it really especially at 70 series level. The FE models this gen all run cool and efficient and imo look the best. Unless you need a certain brand to match other components generally speaking you might as well just get the cheapest version you can find. Enjoy the new card!

[FourWheelDrift]

Notice 2 blank RAM sockets, each VRAM chip is 2GB so the 12GB 4070 could have been 16GB. It's not a 4070Ti ot 4080 board because it's a smaller PCB.

https://youtu.be/pjaxUCPqqbI?t=1000



Or the cynic says those 8 sockets were designed to hold 1GB VRAM chips for an underwhelming 8GB total VRAM, but they changed the spec following the calls that 8GB was too small......?

[offspring86]

I'm currently running:

Ryzen 7 5800X
32GB DDR4 Ram @ 3200
650w PSU
1920 x 1080 165Hz monitor
RTX 3060TI

I'm not an online gamer, at all. For me it's story driven, solo games. The only other change I will probably make to my setup in the next 18 months is a change to a 1440 monitor. For me, it's not about lightening fast refresh rates, it's about the game running at 70-100fps and looking great while doing it.

Would an upgrade to a 4070 be utterly pointless at this stage?

[Brainpox]

offspring86 said:

I'm currently running:

Ryzen 7 5800X
32GB DDR4 Ram @ 3200
650w PSU
1920 x 1080 165Hz monitor
RTX 3060TI

I'm not an online gamer, at all. For me it's story driven, solo games. The only other change I will probably make to my setup in the next 18 months is a change to a 1440 monitor. For me, it's not about lightening fast refresh rates, it's about the game running at 70-100fps and looking great while doing it.

Would an upgrade to a 4070 be utterly pointless at this stage?

Yeah I wouldn’t bother. 3060ti is very capable at 1080p.

[B0bajobbob]

MickC said:

Yes similar. I'm currently running an AM4 board which I've had for more than 2 years now, with a Ryzen 7 3800X processor and 32GB of 3600 DDR4 and 2x 1TB M.2 drives. That started as 16GB and only 1TB M.2, originally paired with the GTX1070. So the other components have got an upgrade, and the graphics card has had to wait till now. The plan was to eventually go with the fastest CPU and most cores this board would eventually take, but I'm torn between a 5800X3D or a 5950X now, and have held off on that for now. The 4080 doen't seem to be bottlenecked by that 3800X in the games I play yet, but soon....

I'm still running an overclocked i5 on a Asus Strix board. Have reached the CPU socket ceiling so next upgrade will be expensive. I haven't looked at AMD for a generation but sounds like I should for the next build.

[cadmunkey]

FourWheelDrift said:

Notice 2 blank RAM sockets, each VRAM chip is 2GB so the 12GB 4070 could have been 16GB. It's not a 4070Ti ot 4080 board because it's a smaller PCB.

https://youtu.be/pjaxUCPqqbI?t=1000



Or the cynic says those 8 sockets were designed to hold 1GB VRAM chips for an underwhelming 8GB total VRAM, but they changed the spec following the calls that 8GB was too small......?

I think the cynic in you is correct!

[Lucas Ayde]

Brainpox said:

OpenToeSlipper said:

I've purchased an FE 4070 card from nvidia site. Is this considered the better card or should I have went for one of the third party iterations?..

Edited by OpenToeSlipper on Thursday 13th April 17:54

There’s nothing in it really especially at 70 series level. The FE models this gen all run cool and efficient and imo look the best. Unless you need a certain brand to match other components generally speaking you might as well just get the cheapest version you can find. Enjoy the new card!

The FE cards (since the RTX3000 gen) are incredibly well made .. really top notch engineering and construction. They're also a lot more compact than third party cards (a lot of third party RTX3000/4000 would simply not fit in my 'retro' case, but the 3070FE fits just fine) - NVidia sunk a lot of cash into their cooler design and it pays off with effective, quiet cooling in a compact and good looking form factor.

IMO the FE versions are the ones to go for unless you are really into overclocking your kit, in which case there are OEMs that specialise in absurdly huge, highly-cooled solutions that cost quite a bit more and guzzle power.

[MickC]

Yep although i was aware the 4070Ti/4080 cards were bigger than standard, I was surprised just how big they were.... I am lucky in that my full tower case (Antec P180) is big enough, but only just... I keep thinking my gear is well up to date but thinking about it now that case must be more than 15 years old now...

Had I realised the 3070 would be smaller, that might well have been a consideration.

[130R]

I've got a Phanteks Evolv ATX Glass Flow Edition case which I've had for years. It's not a huge case but it fits my 4090 Suprim X with loads of room to spare. The 4090 is actually not that much bigger than the 3090 Suprim I had before (just thicker).

[Lucas Ayde]

MickC said:

Yep although i was aware the 4070Ti/4080 cards were bigger than standard, I was surprised just how big they were.... I am lucky in that my full tower case (Antec P180) is big enough, but only just... I keep thinking my gear is well up to date but thinking about it now that case must be more than 15 years old now...

Had I realised the 3070 would be smaller, that might well have been a consideration.

Yeah, my case is over 20 years old now and just doesn't have room for huge expansion cards. I like it though and will keep using it for as long as I can (Coolermaster ATCS201 : https://m.hexus.net/tech/reviews/chassis/135-coole...

The 3070FE fitted just great, the 4070FE is apparently pretty much identical in size so no worries there. The FE cards generally are a LOT more compact than the third party ones thanks to the expensively engineered heatsinks/fans. When you see one in the flesh, it really is a nicely engineered thing of beauty unlike most 3rd party models which have massive heat sinks and fans and tend to aim for the brutalist 'serious bit of expensive techie kit' look.

[simonwhite2000]

Bottled it when the last 4090 drop happened. Still considering one but been offered a 4080 FE lightly used for 900. Hmmmm

[julian64]

B0bajobbob said:

I used to build a new top of the range PC every 5 years or so, usually overclocking and upgrading the GPU a couple of times before the CPU/Motherboard became obsolete necessitating a full rebuild. I just haven't felt the need in recent years as software hasn't advanced as fast as hardware. I think my current setup is good enough for one more GPU bump before the CPU becomes a bottleneck but as you say I'm struggling as my 2080 is good enough for everything I play today. Its 4080/90 or wait another year or for AMD/ATI to pull their fingers out.

I'm running a 2080Ti and bought both my sons 3070's. I don't feel in any way disadvantaged to them. I would say in normal gaming I can't see any difference in gameplay or FPS. some games I'm a little fast and in some they are.

Like you I bought the 2080ti new, with overclocked kit, and really not seeing the need for an upgrade

[Brainpox]

simonwhite2000 said:

Bottled it when the last 4090 drop happened. Still considering one but been offered a 4080 FE lightly used for 900. Hmmmm

4080 for £900 is pretty good!

[offspring86]

Brainpox said:

Yeah I wouldn’t bother. 3060ti is very capable at 1080p.

Thank you, sometimes we need to be talked down from things. I think I've just go over excited at the prospect of a new card!