Nvidia RTX 4000 Launch

[MickC]

Brainpox said:

simonwhite2000 said:

Bottled it when the last 4090 drop happened. Still considering one but been offered a 4080 FE lightly used for 900. Hmmmm

4080 for £900 is pretty good!

No it isn't, its feckin extortionate! Just cause its cheaper than the extortionate list price doesn't make it good

[Brainpox]

MickC said:

Brainpox said:

simonwhite2000 said:

Bottled it when the last 4090 drop happened. Still considering one but been offered a 4080 FE lightly used for 900. Hmmmm

4080 for £900 is pretty good!

No it isn't, it’s feckin extortionate! Just cause its cheaper than the extortionate list price doesn't make it good

In the context that you can’t do any better, it is pretty good. If you won’t enter at £900 you’ll be waiting til next gen at least.

[Mr Whippy]

julian64 said:

B0bajobbob said:

I used to build a new top of the range PC every 5 years or so, usually overclocking and upgrading the GPU a couple of times before the CPU/Motherboard became obsolete necessitating a full rebuild. I just haven't felt the need in recent years as software hasn't advanced as fast as hardware. I think my current setup is good enough for one more GPU bump before the CPU becomes a bottleneck but as you say I'm struggling as my 2080 is good enough for everything I play today. Its 4080/90 or wait another year or for AMD/ATI to pull their fingers out.

I'm running a 2080Ti and bought both my sons 3070's. I don't feel in any way disadvantaged to them. I would say in normal gaming I can't see any difference in gameplay or FPS. some games I'm a little fast and in some they are.

Like you I bought the 2080ti new, with overclocked kit, and really not seeing the need for an upgrade

I still run a 1070 Strix oc on my main computer and it’s mostly fine for most stuff.

3070ti on lounge/gaming pc is fine too.

No one makes games that genuinely use the power to good effect.

Settings like ‘extra fancy transparency for grass that eats 50% fps for marginal visual improvement” don’t count


Indeed all the AI driven AA and fps boosting now is a step backwards now… things are getting mushier and all that extra sampling/texture detail etc is now being turned into ‘made up’ data.
Indeed that suggests most users can’t even tell that all that extra detail is of any given quality or another.

Ie, for now, we’re at quality saturation.

And no game developers are genuinely working to really NEED these mega power gpus because it’s probably 1% of the user base.


This has always been the case. Nice to have the bells and whistles. I often did in the old days… but to go spending £1,000 vs £500 for extra bells and whistles, needs some serious man-maths

[smashing]

offspring86 said:

Brainpox said:

Yeah I wouldn’t bother. 3060ti is very capable at 1080p.

Thank you, sometimes we need to be talked down from things. I think I've just go over excited at the prospect of a new card!

Yep I've got a 3060ti and a 1440p monitor and it's been fine in the games I've been playing (for me anyway)

[Mr Whippy]

smashing said:

offspring86 said:

Brainpox said:

Yeah I wouldn’t bother. 3060ti is very capable at 1080p.

Thank you, sometimes we need to be talked down from things. I think I've just go over excited at the prospect of a new card!

Yep I've got a 3060ti and a 1440p monitor and it's been fine in the games I've been playing (for me anyway)

30 series gets you enough bells and whistle features.

The ‘60’ gets you the horsepower for 60hz at 1440p or so.


That said I’m enjoying 60hz in 4k playing Red Alert and C&C

Not sure they need much GPU power though!

[Griffith4ever]

3070 here and maxing out Star Citizen (when it works).

Last Of Us Part 1 looks and runs great - but I soon have to stop upping the sliders as I run out of Video RAM 8Gb. Saying that, the next steps up make very littel visual difference

[FourWheelDrift]

From Paul's Hardware a 70 series to previous generation 80 series comparison.

[Brainpox]

The 3080 is somewhat of an enigma card though, getting on for 1080ti in terms of performance value. It all went pear shaped soon after launch when COVID/crypto hit and you couldn't get one at RRP. Kinda changes the comparison if you label the 3080 as a £1200 card.

Not saying Nvidia's doing the right thing of course, progress has definitely slowed down, although efficiency gains have been nice to have.

[Shadow R1]

Testing games on youtube has done quite a few comparisons.

[Mr Whippy]

Roll on 16gb 5060 cards then

[B0bajobbob]

Where are all the used ex crypto rig cards? With Ether going proof of stake why is the secondary market not flooded with second hand 3000 series cards. Its weird.

[FourWheelDrift]

B0bajobbob said:

Where are all the used ex crypto rig cards? With Ether going proof of stake why is the secondary market not flooded with second hand 3000 series cards. Its weird.

They are out there, but being sold at stupid prices because they crypto-greed is still strong and they don't want to lose any valuable crypto expense by selling their GPUs at a loss.



Also see any overpriced single GPU on Ebay and other selling sites.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334301441040

And

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/364213826896

[B0bajobbob]

FourWheelDrift said:

They are out there, but being sold at stupid prices because they crypto-greed is still strong and they don't want to lose any valuable crypto expense by selling their GPUs at a loss.



Also see any overpriced single GPU on Ebay and other selling sites.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/334301441040

And

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/364213826896

The delusion is strong. When does reality set in? 100 cards in one lot priced at $3,700 each. Insanity.

[Lucas Ayde]

If you take the horrendous rates of inflation we have been experiencing in the last few years into account, the 4070FE price actually isn't massively higher than the 3070FE price in 2021 when it was released (£469)

https://www.officialdata.org/uk/inflation/2021?amo...

said:

£469 in 2021 is equivalent in purchasing power to about £574.74 today, an increase of £105.74 over 2 years. The pound had an average inflation rate of 10.70% per year between 2021 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 22.54%.

4070FE price is £589 , so basically 40 quid more expensive taking into account inflation.

[Lucas Ayde]

Card just arrived - got to admit its probably the most amazingly packaged graphics card I've ever seen. Even the plain carboard outer box is pretty trick (sides sort of tilt out to let you get the presentation box out) never mind the main box.

As with 3070FE, card is super compact (looks to be exactly the same size and design) and a real thing of engineering and design beauty.

[Mr Whippy]

Lucas Ayde said:

If you take the horrendous rates of inflation we have been experiencing in the last few years into account, the 4070FE price actually isn't massively higher than the 3070FE price in 2021 when it was released (£469)

https://www.officialdata.org/uk/inflation/2021?amo...

said:

£469 in 2021 is equivalent in purchasing power to about £574.74 today, an increase of £105.74 over 2 years. The pound had an average inflation rate of 10.70% per year between 2021 and today, producing a cumulative price increase of 22.54%.

4070FE price is £589 , so basically 40 quid more expensive taking into account inflation.

Ignoring the fact that electronics have tended to get cheaper over time, not go up.

In all charts of overall inflation over time, it’s the consumer electronics that have brought a big negative balancing effect to the overall… not adding to it!

[thatsprettyshady]

B0bajobbob said:

Where are all the used ex crypto rig cards? With Ether going proof of stake why is the secondary market not flooded with second hand 3000 series cards. Its weird.

Most of the cards are in Asia, I've seen pics of guys with a rug out front of a shop piled high with GPUs.

I suspect many mining cards worldwide have been repurposed into AI/Machine learning rigs so still being used.

I managed to get £900 for my 3090FE in September and I was very happy with that.

If I was looking at the best value card right now I'd be going for a 3080ti, they are LHR and came along quite late so unlikely to have been mined on, they offer fantastic performance for about £5-600.

A lot of the reviews and press material around the 40 series is centred around raytracing performance and DLSS3 which gives good headline figures from certain games but in truth performance with the 40 series isn't the massive step forwards some make out.

4090 excluded as for some reason Nvidia went all out with that one and it's an amazing card.

[julian64]

FourWheelDrift said:

From Paul's Hardware a 70 series to previous generation 80 series comparison.

Not sure about that I run a 2080ti and my boys run 3070s, no difference in speed. Not seeing a 26% anywhere and don't think the ti makes it26% faster

[B0bajobbob]

thatsprettyshady said:

Most of the cards are in Asia, I've seen pics of guys with a rug out front of a shop piled high with GPUs.

I suspect many mining cards worldwide have been repurposed into AI/Machine learning rigs so still being used.

I managed to get £900 for my 3090FE in September and I was very happy with that.

If I was looking at the best value card right now I'd be going for a 3080ti, they are LHR and came along quite late so unlikely to have been mined on, they offer fantastic performance for about £5-600.

A lot of the reviews and press material around the 40 series is centred around raytracing performance and DLSS3 which gives good headline figures from certain games but in truth performance with the 40 series isn't the massive step forwards some make out.

4090 excluded as for some reason Nvidia went all out with that one and it's an amazing card.

That would have been my choice last year as someone who went from a 1080ti to a 2080ti. This year it just didn't feel like enough of an upgrade to justify the not insignificant 500/600 quid and to last me a couple of years. Maybe I'm wrong on that and I should take a look. I don't recall seeing how much of an upgrade the 3080ti was on the 2080ti.

[Brainpox]

julian64 said:

Not sure about that I run a 2080ti and my boys run 3070s, no difference in speed. Not seeing a 26% anywhere and don't think the ti makes it26% faster

It’s going to be game and resolution dependent. The difference between 2080 and 2080 ti isn’t that small though.