Nvidia RTX 4000 Launch
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Mr Whippy said:
Ignoring the fact that electronics have tended to get cheaper over time, not go up.
In all charts of overall inflation over time, it’s the consumer electronics that have brought a big negative balancing effect to the overall… not adding to it!
The 70 series (actually, all of the different series) has generally still went up in price between generations .. even taking into account much, much lower inflation.In all charts of overall inflation over time, it’s the consumer electronics that have brought a big negative balancing effect to the overall… not adding to it!
It's just that the increase in price has usually been more than offset by increase in performance. This time around its a steep price increase and much lower performance increase than you usually get. I mean, the 3070 was marketed as a 2080Ti equivalent for less than half the price. The 4070 just about matches the 3080 and is only a little bit cheaper at nominal SRP.
The thing is, other than going for remaining stocks of discounted previous gen cards or buying secondhand, not a lot of alternatives right now. NVidia have very carefully structured the market and AMD do not seem to be taking the chance to muscle in with a strong new RDNA3 competitor at that price point.
Mr Whippy said:
They’re nice cards if the cooler works on your cases airflow setup.
I’ve got my 3070ti fe in a htpc case and it does fine undervolted but OE clocks.
But I know a deshrouded one with airflow running how I want it would be silent rather than slightly wooshy
My 3070FE which runs at a rated 220W is fine in my somewhat cramped and not optimally cooled (compared to modern designs) case - so this should also be good given its rated at 200W. I've never been aware of fan noise from the old card so I'm hoping the new card will be just as quiet.I’ve got my 3070ti fe in a htpc case and it does fine undervolted but OE clocks.
But I know a deshrouded one with airflow running how I want it would be silent rather than slightly wooshy
It's another reason to go for a 4070 ... even the original 3080FE would have been a bit of a struggle to get in my case and be cooled properly given it was rated at around 330W of power consumption. Regardless of what you think about the price/performance, it's impressive to see in one generation the efficiency rise so much (even if a lot of that is down to the TSMC 4nm process node, which wasn't optimal on the Ampere gen using Samsung 8nm).
thatsprettyshady said:
4090 excluded as for some reason Nvidia went all out with that one and it's an amazing card.
You’re not wrong. I was gaming at 4K/120 since getting one but tried 4K/60 a while ago to see what the difference was. Unless I’m playing a competitive game online I’ve left it at 4K/60 now and it’s typically sub 300W and silent.
4090FE is a bit of a beast.
HRL said:
You’re not wrong. I was gaming at 4K/120 since getting one but tried 4K/60 a while ago to see what the difference was.
Unless I’m playing a competitive game online I’ve left it at 4K/60 now and it’s typically sub 300W and silent.
4090FE is a bit of a beast.
Out of interest what power rating PSU are you running?Unless I’m playing a competitive game online I’ve left it at 4K/60 now and it’s typically sub 300W and silent.
4090FE is a bit of a beast.
Retailers still have some insane pricing listed for 30xx series cards.
This 3070 is £210 more than a 4070 - https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-aorus-nvi...
At £800, that's almost what I sold my 3070FE at over a year ago at the height of the crypto boom.
This 3070 is £210 more than a 4070 - https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-aorus-nvi...
At £800, that's almost what I sold my 3070FE at over a year ago at the height of the crypto boom.
FourWheelDrift said:
Retailers still have some insane pricing listed for 30xx series cards.
This 3070 is £210 more than a 4070 - https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-aorus-nvi...
At £800, that's almost what I sold my 3070FE at over a year ago at the height of the crypto boom.
Those retailers are going to have to eat a big loss at the end of the day, I think. I would guess that they bought it in as/just before crypto flamed out and overpaid.This 3070 is £210 more than a 4070 - https://www.scan.co.uk/products/gigabyte-aorus-nvi...
At £800, that's almost what I sold my 3070FE at over a year ago at the height of the crypto boom.
It's a bit funny to watch certain sectors of the internet go mental about a 4070 that is cheaper than the OG 3080, with 20% more memory, way lower power consumption and some cool new features (and actually available to buy at SRP) as being rubbish. And that's after two years of heavy inflation.
I think Nvidia screwed up with their naming conventions. They have to shoehorn everything into the '50/60/70/80/90 series' brackets and then when a series of card doesn't offer a suitable price/performance boost in the new generation, the internet pundits go crazy.
FourWheelDrift said:
More 4070 FE, bizarrely 4080 FE and even more bizarrely more 3090 Ti FE drops right now.
I'm now looking at reviews of the 3070 FE vs 4070 FE. Looks like decent bump in RTX performance at 1440p. Wondering what the performance gain in VR gaming on a Quest 2 is like...FourWheelDrift said:
More 4070 FE, bizarrely 4080 FE and even more bizarrely more 3090 Ti FE drops right now.
Rather strange but backs up the theory that they are holding back 4090s to try and get people to buy a 4080. I am debating lightly used 4090 MSI GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO for £1,400 or a 4080 Gigabyte Aero OC (white) that's new for £949 (box opened item sealed)
Hmm.
I wonder if the 3090Ti link earlier was a mistake, doesn't seem to be showing up. Last non-UK 30xx were on March 6th.
Nothing shows here - https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/gpu/?...
Nothing shows here - https://store.nvidia.com/en-gb/geforce/store/gpu/?...
8bit said:
I'm now looking at reviews of the 3070 FE vs 4070 FE. Looks like decent bump in RTX performance at 1440p. Wondering what the performance gain in VR gaming on a Quest 2 is like...
I haven't benchmarked it for VR but when I went from 3070FE to 4070FE, HL Alyx automatically bumped up the image quality settings, which already looked great but are now even better. In general, any VR stuff that I've tried seems a little more 'solid' feeling but that could just be me wanting to see some difference. I didn't really have any performance quibbles before though.The card does have a nice performance bump overall (25-30%) and going to 12gig of VRAM is definitely welcome. You also get the new features like DLSS3 and such. About 10% less power draw than a 3070 too.
TBH though, if I'd manged to get a 3080FE originally then I wouldn't be upgrading. 3070->4070 is just about justifiable.
simonwhite2000 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
More 4070 FE, bizarrely 4080 FE and even more bizarrely more 3090 Ti FE drops right now.
Rather strange but backs up the theory that they are holding back 4090s to try and get people to buy a 4080. I am debating lightly used 4090 MSI GeForce RTX 4090 GAMING X TRIO for £1,400 or a 4080 Gigabyte Aero OC (white) that's new for £949 (box opened item sealed)
Hmm.
The 4060/Ti rumoured specs are, interestingly lack lustre. Check memory bandwidth, bus and PCIe specs.
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-406...
However a new report today has a rumour of a 16GB Ti model to come later (July) - https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-to-launch-gefor...
https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-406...
However a new report today has a rumour of a 16GB Ti model to come later (July) - https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-to-launch-gefor...
They will ride the frame generation PR wave with the lower 40 cards. Games like Cyberpunk etc double the fps pretty much with no downsides realistically speaking. It is game changing tech for sure, but they will gimp the spec because they know FG will up the frames easily and casual gamers will be all for it.
I'm loving the 4090 Zotac Trinity though, got it at FE price so am fine with that, and it's quieter than FE as it has the dual BIOS modes for quiet at all times operation inc stop fan as per the norm.
I'm loving the 4090 Zotac Trinity though, got it at FE price so am fine with that, and it's quieter than FE as it has the dual BIOS modes for quiet at all times operation inc stop fan as per the norm.
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