Nvidia RTX 4000 Launch

[Digger]

Ti ?

[TonyTony]

Digger said:

Ti ?

Yea, £295.98.

[Digger]

What Donbot said!

[FourWheelDrift]

FourWheelDrift said:

Just ran the Horizon Zero Dawn benchmark to compare it to my 3080. Averaged 204 fps at ultimate quality and only pulling between 180w and 210w.

52 degrees was a hot as it got, and the fans didn't start until it hit 48.

I found that rebar at 1440p really dropped the frames on HZD.

Rebar off 204 fps
Rebar on 165 fps

at 4k
Rebar on 153 fps (very close to 1440p)
Didn't test hardware rebar off

Then I realised I could turn off rebar just for HZD by using the latest NVidia Inspector whilst keeping it on for others.

1440p rebar off - 194 fps
4k rebar off - 175 fps

(all tested at 60% power limits)

Just FYI if anyone wants to try it. I downloaded the latest NVidia Inspector from the github repository - https://github.com/Orbmu2k/nvidiaProfileInspector/...

[TonyTony]

Digger said:

What Donbot said!

It was still available to buy at £295 when I posted it! Nobody took the jump though.

Its a nice upgrade over my blower 1070ti though!

[FourWheelDrift]

Could there be another GPU supply/demand problem and higher prices coming?

AI companies buying up gaming GPUs due to supply issues and higher prices with professional GPUs - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/evidence-shows-a...

[conkerman]

TonyTony

SCORE!

Edited by conkerman on Thursday 3rd August 15:48

[pquinn]

FourWheelDrift said:

Could there be another GPU supply/demand problem and higher prices coming?

AI companies buying up gaming GPUs due to supply issues and higher prices with professional GPUs - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/evidence-shows-a...

Not sure I really believe it - for the crypto lashups yes but I'm not sure I see it for people wanting to run big AI models. At least not in any quantity big enough to nudge the market.

Most of the really big AI stuff is just run on AWS or whatever anyway, as it wants loads of capacity to train it but normally not for long enough to be worth buying your own kit to do it on.

Or if you are building your own it just isn't worth skipping past the data center type kit for these jobs.

Right now if I see AI mentioned in stories like this I just see it as a sales/stock/hype pump rather than anything significant.

[deckster]

pquinn said:

Not sure I really believe it - for the crypto lashups yes but I'm not sure I see it for people wanting to run big AI models. At least not in any quantity big enough to nudge the market.

Most of the really big AI stuff is just run on AWS or whatever anyway, as it wants loads of capacity to train it but normally not for long enough to be worth buying your own kit to do it on.

Or if you are building your own it just isn't worth skipping past the data center type kit for these jobs.

Right now if I see AI mentioned in stories like this I just see it as a sales/stock/hype pump rather than anything significant.

Yes and no. Whilst I agree that people aren't going out and building data centres out of RTX cards, they absolutely do use Nvidia tech (https://aws.amazon.com/nvidia/) which use broadly speaking the same CUDA and Tensor cores that you get in gaming cards. So it's entirely possible that an uptick in GPU consumption to run GPT models will result in a constriction in the supply of consumer kit.

[Shadow R1]

pquinn said:

Right now if I see AI mentioned in stories like this I just see it as a sales/stock/hype pump rather than anything significant.

[pquinn]

deckster said:

Yes and no. Whilst I agree that people aren't going out and building data centres out of RTX cards, they absolutely do use Nvidia tech (https://aws.amazon.com/nvidia/) which use broadly speaking the same CUDA and Tensor cores that you get in gaming cards. So it's entirely possible that an uptick in GPU consumption to run GPT models will result in a constriction in the supply of consumer kit.

They're broadly similar but you aren't going to knock up anything even vaguely close to the proper AI rackmount/data center Nvidia kit from the gaming GPUs, the consumer stuff doesn't have any of the fast interconnects for a start. OK for small stuff but it won't scale.

Haven't looked recently but I assume you'd also still be in breach of the Nvidia licenses deploying the consumer stuff that way too as there was a time when they excluded datacentre use of the gaming GPUs, which the crypto boys likely couldn't care about but 'proper' AI businesses might need to be more careful of.

Guess it might be better than nothing but still feels unlikely for anyone serious to be buying enough RTX cards for AI for the market to even notice.

[Lucas Ayde]

Just to put it into perspective, current data centre sales outstrip home graphics cards sales for Nvidia and next year they are forecast to massively outstrip them (4x by the second quarter):

Edited by Lucas Ayde on Thursday 24th August 14:15

Edited by Lucas Ayde on Thursday 24th August 14:16

[ajprice]

Half Life 2 RTX. (RTX lighting and a lot of new models and high res textures)

[FourWheelDrift]

FourWheelDrift said:

Could there be another GPU supply/demand problem and higher prices coming?

AI companies buying up gaming GPUs due to supply issues and higher prices with professional GPUs - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/evidence-shows-a...

Well, 4090s are getting very thin on the ground, prices for partner cards have gone up.

And the 4070/4080 Supers are coming - https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-4080-super-...

Refreshed and mild increases compared to some earlier "leaks" suggesting the 4080 Super using the AD102 silicon and having 20 or 24GB of VRAM. 4080 getting 520 extra cores. Similarly the 4070 Ti Super gets a small core boost.

A cynic Everyone will say the 4080 Super has been engineered to be just better than the 7900XTX - https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-...

The 4070 Super gets a big increase, a 1,280 core boost.

[thatsprettyshady]

FourWheelDrift said:

FourWheelDrift said:

Could there be another GPU supply/demand problem and higher prices coming?

AI companies buying up gaming GPUs due to supply issues and higher prices with professional GPUs - https://www.tomshardware.com/news/evidence-shows-a...

Well, 4090s are getting very thin on the ground, prices for partner cards have gone up.

And the 4070/4080 Supers are coming - https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-rtx-4080-super-...

Refreshed and mild increases compared to some earlier "leaks" suggesting the 4080 Super using the AD102 silicon and having 20 or 24GB of VRAM. 4080 getting 520 extra cores. Similarly the 4070 Ti Super gets a small core boost.

A cynic Everyone will say the 4080 Super has been engineered to be just better than the 7900XTX - https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/geforce-rtx-...

The 4070 Super gets a big increase, a 1,280 core boost.

On November 17th the 4090 is banned from import into China, this is creating demand at the moment. Wait a few weeks and see what happens.

[FourWheelDrift]

Supers arriving in January - https://videocardz.com/newz/nvidia-geforce-rtx-40-...

RTX 4070 Super : January 17th
RTX 4070 Ti Super : January 24th
RTX 4080 Super : January 31st

[mmm-five]

What, no 4090Ti Super?

That's me very disappointed

[FourWheelDrift]

mmm-five said:

What, no 4090Ti Super?

That's me very disappointed

That will be launched 3 months before the 5000 series.

[mmm-five]

FourWheelDrift said:

That will be launched 3 months before the 5000 series.

Comes with free HX1500i PSU to power it...and charge your Tesla on the side.

[Digger]

Do we think 4070 Super will be around £600 - £650 or is that overly optimistic?