Apple Vision Pro

[Mont Blanc]

ChocolateFrog said:

No women in your life?

Because the ones in mine would throw it in a bag along with 500 keys and think nothing of it.

Oh absolutely, and that level of carelessness is standard behaviour for some people. I see people at work, of both sexes, using phones and laptops which genuinely look like they have kicked it round the car park. Screens scratched, corners chipped and broken off laptops, keys missing.

On a personal note, my wife is way more careful than me with things. If she scratches a handbag, phone, shoe, or anything else she would be devastated. She’s never kerbed a wheel or scratched a car in the 15 years we’ve been together. Her car is immaculate inside and out. All her stuff looks brand new.

I’m pretty careful with things, but not quite to her level.

[soupdragon1]

Xbox is way better than PlayStation. Just so you all know

[TGCOTF-dewey]

soupdragon1 said:

Xbox is way better than PlayStation. Just so you all know

Sorry, didn't see you all the way over their from behind my giant PC gaming rig.

[gangzoom]

TGCOTF-dewey said:

soupdragon1 said:

Xbox is way better than PlayStation. Just so you all know

Sorry, didn't see you all the way over their from behind my giant PC gaming rig.

You should have bought a Quest headset, 18million of them have been sold don't you know.

[lizardbrain]

This got me curious, so spent about two hours using my quest 3 with my MacBook. It was far from perfect but it was enough to convince me to delay an overdue MacBook upgrade for a avp

I got some real work done and light stuff like email was fine, but the resolution is still not there on the quest for spreadsheets and that kind of thing.

I’ve never really got on with movies in VR but it was good having one playing massive as a third monitor on my couch. Something I do on my desktop sometimes.

[soupdragon1]

lizardbrain said:

This got me curious, so spent about two hours using my quest 3 with my MacBook. It was far from perfect but it was enough to convince me to delay an overdue MacBook upgrade for a avp

I got some real work done and light stuff like email was fine, but the resolution is still not there on the quest for spreadsheets and that kind of thing.

I’ve never really got on with movies in VR but it was good having one playing massive as a third monitor on my couch. Something I do on my desktop sometimes.

Yeah, I just see it as a cool party trick rather than something to sit and really enjoy as a dedicated experience. It's a 3rd rate experience IMO. Even if you had an enormous TV, it's still not as good as a cinema screen as the image on a cinema screen is reflective rather than emissive (TV) and a TV just can't give that same cinematic 'feel'

And VR movies fall quite a bit behind a good TV experience....so yeah, VR movies can take the bronze medal for me. Where VR can excel is when you are 'in' the experience, rather than observing something.

[gangzoom]

soupdragon1 said:

Yeah, I just see it as a cool party trick rather than something to sit and really enjoy as a dedicated experience. It's a 3rd rate experience IMO. Even if you had an enormous TV, it's still not as good as a cinema screen as the image on a cinema screen is reflective rather than emissive (TV) and a TV just can't give that same cinematic 'feel'

Good hear there is no replacement for displacement, I was getting worried I had add extra work on our build project for no reason .

[lizardbrain]

soupdragon1 said:

Yeah, I just see it as a cool party trick rather than something to sit and really enjoy as a dedicated experience. It's a 3rd rate experience IMO. Even if you had an enormous TV, it's still not as good as a cinema screen as the image on a cinema screen is reflective rather than emissive (TV) and a TV just can't give that same cinematic 'feel'

And VR movies fall quite a bit behind a good TV experience....so yeah, VR movies can take the bronze medal for me. Where VR can excel is when you are 'in' the experience, rather than observing something.

Problem here is that cinema experience is subpar vs a decent OLED TV setup. I've stopped going as the absence of dark blacks annoys me. And the less frequently I go, the less I associate film with 24 fps, which was always a physcholgical thing.

And surround sound on AirPods Pro kicks my 5.1 system into touch as well.

The advantage of VR movies I don't think will be a massive screen. It will be as many massive screens as you like, in any environment you like. Watching a movie whilst dicking around on the internet is kind of the norm now for better or worst.

I can't see anything but exponential growth for 'spatial computing'. Unlike VR pure which was very linear.

[Corso Marche]

lizardbrain said:

This got me curious, so spent about two hours using my quest 3 with my MacBook. It was far from perfect but it was enough to convince me to delay an overdue MacBook upgrade for a avp

I got some real work done and light stuff like email was fine, but the resolution is still not there on the quest for spreadsheets and that kind of thing.

I wouldn't rush into an AVP reading your comment above.
The one consistent comment and sentiment from every review and piece of coverage I've seen has been that text displayed still isn't sharp enough and is 'fuzzy' so if you deal with text a lot the AVP isn't there yet.

[Griffith4ever]

lizardbrain said:

soupdragon1 said:

Yeah, I just see it as a cool party trick rather than something to sit and really enjoy as a dedicated experience. It's a 3rd rate experience IMO. Even if you had an enormous TV, it's still not as good as a cinema screen as the image on a cinema screen is reflective rather than emissive (TV) and a TV just can't give that same cinematic 'feel'

And VR movies fall quite a bit behind a good TV experience....so yeah, VR movies can take the bronze medal for me. Where VR can excel is when you are 'in' the experience, rather than observing something.

Problem here is that cinema experience is subpar vs a decent OLED TV setup. I've stopped going as the absence of dark blacks annoys me. And the less frequently I go, the less I associate film with 24 fps, which was always a physcholgical thing.

And surround sound on AirPods Pro kicks my 5.1 system into touch as well.

The advantage of VR movies I don't think will be a massive screen. It will be as many massive screens as you like, in any environment you like. Watching a movie whilst dicking around on the internet is kind of the norm now for better or worst.

I can't see anything but exponential growth for 'spatial computing'. Unlike VR pure which was very linear.

I agree about OLED making cinemas look sub par. I stopped going a long time ago, not because of that, but because of other people, and, cinema's obsession with deafening the audience (and I'm not shrinking violet, got a pretty serious home cinema setup). Saying that, last time I went to the cinema I could not get over how washed out the image was. My home DLP projector fares better.

Movies are still 24fps at home, unless you enable motion smoothing or other "features".

I've tried movies on the Quest 2 and its just not the same, even ignoring techincal differences, it's an isolated experience. I'm sitting next to my partner and I want to interact, talk, scooch up, you know - that kind of thing! I've also tried the odd desktop app in VR, simply so I can do a few things without taking the headset off but tis stilla gimmick, and it will be until the headset is barely heavy enough to feel, the environment properly clear outside, and virtual keyboards work properly (or 100% voice control).

I don't dick about with the internet when a film is on, but I appreciate the current gen can't stop it, ever.

[croyde]

otolith said:

I think I know what the real future of VR is. You filthy animals!

It does look easy to wipe clean.

[otolith]

Baldchap said:

You forgot that this is Apple users. I don't think I've ever seen an iPhone in the wild without a cracked screen.

"Here is a beautiful piece of industrial design, now bury it under an ugly case and a screen protector"

[Griffith4ever]

otolith said:

Baldchap said:

You forgot that this is Apple users. I don't think I've ever seen an iPhone in the wild without a cracked screen.

"Here is a beautiful piece of industrial design, now bury it under an ugly case and a screen protector"

Be nice if their design suited the typical user, and that's not just iPhones I'm singling out. I have to use a back/corner case with all my android phones or I break the screen in a matter of weeks. Only takes one drop that lands on a corner and your screen is toast

[SpudLink]

Griffith4ever said:

otolith said:

Baldchap said:

You forgot that this is Apple users. I don't think I've ever seen an iPhone in the wild without a cracked screen.

"Here is a beautiful piece of industrial design, now bury it under an ugly case and a screen protector"

Be nice if their design suited the typical user, and that's not just iPhones I'm singling out. I have to use a back/corner case with all my android phones or I break the screen in a matter of weeks. Only takes one drop that lands on a corner and your screen is toast

The manufactures would have to be certain the market will buy a phone that is 50g heavier and a bit thicker than the opposition on the basis that 'it doesn't need a case'. It's a multi billion dollar gamble. It's safer to keep doing what they know works.
Perhaps they've done the market research and it says most of the people that upgrade regularly are also happy to buy a case to 'personalise' their device?

[Griffith4ever]

SpudLink said:

Griffith4ever said:

otolith said:

Baldchap said:

You forgot that this is Apple users. I don't think I've ever seen an iPhone in the wild without a cracked screen.

"Here is a beautiful piece of industrial design, now bury it under an ugly case and a screen protector"

Be nice if their design suited the typical user, and that's not just iPhones I'm singling out. I have to use a back/corner case with all my android phones or I break the screen in a matter of weeks. Only takes one drop that lands on a corner and your screen is toast

The manufactures would have to be certain the market will buy a phone that is 50g heavier and a bit thicker than the opposition on the basis that 'it doesn't need a case'. It's a multi billion dollar gamble. It's safer to keep doing what they know works.
Perhaps they've done the market research and it says most of the people that upgrade regularly are also happy to buy a case to 'personalise' their device?

They absolutely have, and I agree with them, but my post was in response to :

""Here is a beautiful piece of industrial design, now bury it under an ugly case and a screen protector""

- i.e. we HAVE to bury it in an ugly case unless we value form over function. I have a mate who wanted to see his new phone in all its naked glory - he managed 5 days before breaking the screen :-) Its no suprise you see all those "naked" iphones with cracked screens. Apple and image go hand in hand, plus, their phones are so expensive its no wonder people have to keep running them with cracked screens - they can't afford another.

[Mont Blanc]

Pretty much every modern smartphone is vulnerable to drops, scratches, cracked screens and so on, because as correctly pointed out, the manufacturers know that if they made a that could withstand drops, people wouldn't buy it as it would be thicker, heavier, and uglier.

There are a selection of rugged smartphones available, but yeah.... I wouldn't want one.

[Durzel]

If people walking around in public talking to shop staff etc whilst wearing them becomes normalised then just kill me now. The scary thing is Apple is exactly the company that could make such a ludicrous state of affairs stick.

Right now it's just influencers, Twitch goombas and such that are trying to make this all seem totally normal, but it could easily spread.

Keep Apple Vision At Home 2024.

[Mont Blanc]

I wouldn’t worry.

When the Sony Walkman arrived, people were claiming it was the end of social interaction between humans. They said everyone would be walking around in their own world, not listening to others, not speaking, not interacting.

It was the end of civilisation apparently.

[otolith]

Mont Blanc said:

When the Sony Walkman arrived, people were claiming it was the end of social interaction between humans. They said everyone would be walking around in their own world, not listening to others, not speaking, not interacting.

Teenager with headphones in one.

[soupdragon1]

lizardbrain said:

soupdragon1 said:

Yeah, I just see it as a cool party trick rather than something to sit and really enjoy as a dedicated experience. It's a 3rd rate experience IMO. Even if you had an enormous TV, it's still not as good as a cinema screen as the image on a cinema screen is reflective rather than emissive (TV) and a TV just can't give that same cinematic 'feel'

And VR movies fall quite a bit behind a good TV experience....so yeah, VR movies can take the bronze medal for me. Where VR can excel is when you are 'in' the experience, rather than observing something.

Problem here is that cinema experience is subpar vs a decent OLED TV setup. I've stopped going as the absence of dark blacks annoys me. And the less frequently I go, the less I associate film with 24 fps, which was always a physcholgical thing.

And surround sound on AirPods Pro kicks my 5.1 system into touch as well.

The advantage of VR movies I don't think will be a massive screen. It will be as many massive screens as you like, in any environment you like. Watching a movie whilst dicking around on the internet is kind of the norm now for better or worst.

I can't see anything but exponential growth for 'spatial computing'. Unlike VR pure which was very linear.

Absolutely, and thats why I put 'IMO' and 'for me' in my post, as its something quite personal. Not that much different from the digital audio versus vinyl type debate, which can be personal taste too.

On a technical level, OLED absolutely destroys projection images, not only from a contrast point of view, but also the ANSI contrast, which is where OLED excels. The key difference being, one is emissive and one if reflective. I just happen to love that reflected feel that you get. Once you get into very large screen sizes, a TV doesn't feel natural to me, despite the superior technical capabilities. Fully understand why people would prefer OLED over projection though, its a very strong argument.

Although I can't stand by your airpods v surround sound comment without chipping in. A proper subwoofer hits in a way that airpods could never, despite what the spec might say. 15hz is inaudible for most of us but boy, can you feel it. I had a deaf family friend in my cinema room on one occasion and had the subtitles going. She was absolutely thrilled with the subwoofer, tanks were rolling past and she could see everything on screen, she could read the subtitles but for maybe the 1st time, she could hear it (through feel). But it needs to be a good subwoofer, one that does proper sub bass.

Moving from 5.1 to an 11 channel atmos set up is another level up again too, which I would recommend @gangzoom if you're setting up a cinema room.