I reckon my neighbours have got 10MB broadband
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BliarOut said:
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It isn't unauthorised, it's a publicly accessible access point. No password required.
So, seeing as I'm playing the devil here.... Is using someones bandwidth for a purpose other than that intended theft?
If you don't have the owner's permission, it's unauthorised.
what jars me off the most is that I spent 8 hours at the weekend reloading my fathers pc as someone had done what you had done to his network and messed it up by hacking into it, his network was not secure due to his not knowing about firewalls etc
He lost all his access to Ebay, hotmail etc
He is 65 and an internet newbie and he didnt know what he was doing so I think you should give your next door a break
You may think it is cool but I think it isnt big and it isnt clever
I work in the industry and things like this get my goat as people like me have to take time out to go and sort it out
Would you take someones car round the block if he had left the keys in the ignition by accident?
Even if it isnt illegal it is immoral and childish in my opinion
What a selfish self centred nation we have become
IMHO of course.
He lost all his access to Ebay, hotmail etc
He is 65 and an internet newbie and he didnt know what he was doing so I think you should give your next door a break
You may think it is cool but I think it isnt big and it isnt clever
I work in the industry and things like this get my goat as people like me have to take time out to go and sort it out
Would you take someones car round the block if he had left the keys in the ignition by accident?
Even if it isnt illegal it is immoral and childish in my opinion
What a selfish self centred nation we have become
IMHO of course.
Err, how will MY ISP know? porkus said:RTFM?
He is 65 and an internet newbie and he didnt know what he was doing so I think you should give your next door a break
Not having a go directly at your dad, but at everyone who just goes out and buys a wireless modem and plugs it in. The manual is there for a reason, and certainly my Linksys manual is full of warnings about the dangers of wifi.
Plenty of warning in the press too. If you don't understand something, ask before you install it to save the hassle later.
I suppose now wouldn't be a good time to say that when my neighbour went away and left me his house keys, I went round and switched his wireless on so that I could surf from the living room....
yes he does know, and yes he does think it's funny - he says it makes him feel less guilty about all the times he plugged his garden hose on to my outside tap, so that the water went on my meter instead of his
yes he does know, and yes he does think it's funny - he says it makes him feel less guilty about all the times he plugged his garden hose on to my outside tap, so that the water went on my meter instead of his
rude girl said:Nope, we're both gonna burn in hell
I suppose now wouldn't be a good time to say that when my neighbour went away and left me his house keys, I went round and switched his wireless on so that I could surf from the living room....
yes he does know, and yes he does think it's funny - he says it makes him feel less guilty about all the times he plugged his garden hose on to my outside tap, so that the water went on my meter instead of his
BliarOut said:
I suppose now wouldn't be a good time to say that when my neighbour went away and left me his house keys, I went round and switched his wireless on so that I could surf from the living room....
yes he does know, and yes he does think it's funny - he says it makes him feel less guilty about all the times he plugged his garden hose on to my outside tap, so that the water went on my meter instead of his
I think it might be a bit hotter for me - I borrowed his Sky card as well
rude girl said:
I suppose now wouldn't be a good time to say that when my neighbour went away and left me his house keys, I went round and switched his wireless on so that I could surf from the living room....
yes he does know, and yes he does think it's funny - he says it makes him feel less guilty about all the times he plugged his garden hose on to my outside tap, so that the water went on my meter instead of his
rude girl said:"rude girl"... I reckon you should change that to "downright bloody cheeky girl"
I suppose now wouldn't be a good time to say that when my neighbour went away and left me his house keys, I went round and switched his wireless on so that I could surf from the living room....
yes he does know, and yes he does think it's funny - he says it makes him feel less guilty about all the times he plugged his garden hose on to my outside tap, so that the water went on my meter instead of his
I think it might be a bit hotter for me - I borrowed his Sky card as well
puggit said:
He is 65 and an internet newbie and he didnt know what he was doing so I think you should give your next door a break
Not having a go directly at your dad, but at everyone who just goes out and buys a wireless modem and plugs it in. The manual is there for a reason, and certainly my Linksys manual is full of warnings about the dangers of wifi.
Plenty of warning in the press too. If you don't understand something, ask before you install it to save the hassle later.
Indeed, ignorance isn't a defence, it certainly isn't when anyone commits a crime they didn't know existed, so why should ignorance work here?
I work in IT, and I say fair play. If you can't secure your property, then people will take advantage of it. If I left my car door open, engine running with keys in it, you'd expect that if there were no pre-concieved social standards which we have generated over many decades, that it was acceptable to have a go with.
The problem is, WiFi in the home is relatively new. There is a very good chance people could un-willingly (they simply don't read the manual) be already using other people's connections and not their own! I bet there is at least one example of two people with WiFi, each using the others connection unwittingly!
There is no accepted social regard for what to do with respects to wireless. If I was an occasional user of the internet, I may well leave it open for other local users, why not? By leaving it open do I not accept the use of it?
I honestly think we shouldn't protect stupidity. WiFi is the perfect means for whole areas to share a single connection cheaply and effectively. Why sour the milk because a few idiots didn't RTFM, and simply close what could be a shared resource!
I'd prefer it to be:
Unlocked, I agree for free to use.
Locked, this is mine, I want it all to myself.
Rather than:
Anyone who comes near is a criminal, argghhhh, what a sad society we have become greed greed greed, mine mine mine, ignorance is bliss, fingers in ears, nerr nerr nerr
I think of myself as an open-minded easy going person. If my ignorance gets me taken advantage of, then thats a learning curve for me! Happens every day when people service their cars at main dealers @ £100 an hour labour rate, and 3x the RRP for the oil! You don't see any laws stopping those people being stupid and saving them from being dumbasses!
Lets not turn society into one big law-enforced, red-taped, ignorance fest of idiocy, lets take some bloody personal responsibility and share! Maybe if we had a society like that we *could* leave our homes unlocked, but the more we alienate each other and get all defensive over a bloody internet connection, the more we deserve the negative element we generate in society!
Rant over
Dave
Okay so can someone help me out here?
One of my neighbours has an unsecured network so can you tell me how to secure it for them?
That way I can tell them about it and offer to help out rather than just tell them and let them have to sort it out themselves.
Yes I RTFM for mine but am not certain that it would apply to there's and don't fancy cocking it up for them
One of my neighbours has an unsecured network so can you tell me how to secure it for them?
That way I can tell them about it and offer to help out rather than just tell them and let them have to sort it out themselves.
Yes I RTFM for mine but am not certain that it would apply to there's and don't fancy cocking it up for them
Start -> Run -> cmd -> ipconfig
Enter the IP address of the default gateway into Internet Explorer. Logon to the router, typically no password will be set.
Under security/Encryption enable "WEP"
It will then set a passcode (the method of generating it varies)
This will need to be entered under any wireless devices connecting to the network by double clicking on the wireless icon in the taskbar.
Enter the IP address of the default gateway into Internet Explorer. Logon to the router, typically no password will be set.
Under security/Encryption enable "WEP"
It will then set a passcode (the method of generating it varies)
This will need to be entered under any wireless devices connecting to the network by double clicking on the wireless icon in the taskbar.
rude-boy said:
Okay so can someone help me out here?
One of my neighbours has an unsecured network so can you tell me how to secure it for them?
That way I can tell them about it and offer to help out rather than just tell them and let them have to sort it out themselves.
Yes I RTFM for mine but am not certain that it would apply to there's and don't fancy cocking it up for them
If it's a Buffalo router, and the computers are running Windows, it's dead easy. You install the bit of software that came on the CD with the router, click a button on the computer, press the red button on the router, and you're done. Secure wireless.
Don't care 
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