Can I use 2 routers on my Broadband? Orange livebox and BT

[james_tigerwoods]

My ISP is Orange and my max speed is a ludicrous 512k (I've had up to 1Mb) - I shan't rant on about this, but I live rurally so it's the best I can get.

The Orange Livebox is a whole other kind of rubbish and using it I can't access WiFi from the other side of the house - something easily remedied by using a BT Business router.

However, I forgot that I got "Inclusive calls at anytime using your Livebox to UK local and national numbers, Orange mobile and 30 international destinations (fair use policy applies)"

So, my question really is - can I put the 2 routers on the same line - I'd need to use the same internet username and password on both routers which might raise an eyebrow/problem, but I'd turn off the wifi on the Orange router so as to not have 2 wireless transmissions....

Has anyone else done/tried this?

[pmanson]

Can you set the BT box to act as a Wireless Access Point?

[ThatPhilBrettGuy]

james_tigerwoods said:

My ISP is Orange and my max speed is a ludicrous 512k (I've had up to 1Mb) - I shan't rant on about this, but I live rurally so it's the best I can get.

The Orange Livebox is a whole other kind of rubbish and using it I can't access WiFi from the other side of the house - something easily remedied by using a BT Business router.

However, I forgot that I got "Inclusive calls at anytime using your Livebox to UK local and national numbers, Orange mobile and 30 international destinations (fair use policy applies)"

So, my question really is - can I put the 2 routers on the same line - I'd need to use the same internet username and password on both routers which might raise an eyebrow/problem, but I'd turn off the wifi on the Orange router so as to not have 2 wireless transmissions....

Has anyone else done/tried this?

Doesn't work. You can only have one router on the line at the same time.

[james_tigerwoods]

pmanson said:

Can you set the BT box to act as a Wireless Access Point?

You mean hang it off the Orange router?

[pmanson]

james_tigerwoods said:

pmanson said:

Can you set the BT box to act as a Wireless Access Point?

You mean hang it off the Orange router?

Exactly.

So switch off the wireless on the orange router, plug the BT box in via CAT5 and use it as a WAP.

You might not be able to do it though. In which case you can pick up a cheap WAP instead.

[MuffDaddy]

Why not get some of these bad boys:

http://www.solwise.co.uk/net-powerline-pl-85pew.ht...

I have a pair, one next to the router, hard wired, and one in my office, two floors away on the ohter side of the house.

[james_tigerwoods]

pmanson said:

james_tigerwoods said:

pmanson said:

Can you set the BT box to act as a Wireless Access Point?

You mean hang it off the Orange router?

Exactly.

So switch off the wireless on the orange router, plug the BT box in via CAT5 and use it as a WAP.

You might not be able to do it though. In which case you can pick up a cheap WAP instead.

The router is a BT2700HGV and it seems fairly high end so I suspect I should be able to run it as a Wireless access point.... Not something I've ever tried or thought about until now to be honest - Would I need DHCP on the WAP or the Router or both?

(I suspect this should be moved to the computers section though too)

[jammy_basturd]

Does a WAP have to be connected to the main router via CAT5? Is it not possible for WAP to be connected via wireless and just bounce the signal on?

[Mexico.]

No

HtH

[james_tigerwoods]

jammy_basturd said:

Does a WAP have to be connected to the main router via CAT5? Is it not possible for WAP to be connected via wireless and just bounce the signal on?

I think so.

A bit more googling (with some more refined terms) has given me this - http://bt2700hgv.tripod.com/ir1002700HGV.htm and this section "Using a 2700HGV as a wireless bridge/WAP" covers it.

The OH is out tonight so this gives me something to do later

[ThatPhilBrettGuy]

james_tigerwoods said:

(I suspect this should be moved to the computers section though too)

Will do in a bit..

[james_tigerwoods]

ThatPhilBrettGuy said:

james_tigerwoods said:

(I suspect this should be moved to the computers section though too)

Will do in a bit..

Thanks - I thought that P&P would provide a higher profile/exposure as it's for home broadband

[LukeBird]

I was going to ask exactly the same question...
Albeit with a Belkin ADSL router and a BT HomeHub...
The HomeHub IMO appears to be an utter piece of ste, so can I just use the Belkin as an access point?

[james_tigerwoods]

swerni said:

ThatPhilBrettGuy said:

james_tigerwoods said:

My ISP is Orange and my max speed is a ludicrous 512k (I've had up to 1Mb) - I shan't rant on about this, but I live rurally so it's the best I can get.

The Orange Livebox is a whole other kind of rubbish and using it I can't access WiFi from the other side of the house - something easily remedied by using a BT Business router.

However, I forgot that I got "Inclusive calls at anytime using your Livebox to UK local and national numbers, Orange mobile and 30 international destinations (fair use policy applies)"

So, my question really is - can I put the 2 routers on the same line - I'd need to use the same internet username and password on both routers which might raise an eyebrow/problem, but I'd turn off the wifi on the Orange router so as to not have 2 wireless transmissions....

Has anyone else done/tried this?

Doesn't work. You can only have one router on the line at the same time.

wrong!!

we have got 2
The sky wireless router that came with the system combo router modem and that is plugged in the Pre N Belkin wireless Router that we already had.

The reason for doing it was the Belkin as a better range, but both wireless networks work fine

Is one a WAP in that case - how do you connect to the internet - is the sky box the internet facing device and the Belkin the WAP with no direct internet access?

[james_tigerwoods]

swerni said:

james_tigerwoods said:

swerni said:

ThatPhilBrettGuy said:

james_tigerwoods said:

My ISP is Orange and my max speed is a ludicrous 512k (I've had up to 1Mb) - I shan't rant on about this, but I live rurally so it's the best I can get.

The Orange Livebox is a whole other kind of rubbish and using it I can't access WiFi from the other side of the house - something easily remedied by using a BT Business router.

However, I forgot that I got "Inclusive calls at anytime using your Livebox to UK local and national numbers, Orange mobile and 30 international destinations (fair use policy applies)"

So, my question really is - can I put the 2 routers on the same line - I'd need to use the same internet username and password on both routers which might raise an eyebrow/problem, but I'd turn off the wifi on the Orange router so as to not have 2 wireless transmissions....

Has anyone else done/tried this?

Doesn't work. You can only have one router on the line at the same time.

wrong!!

we have got 2
The sky wireless router that came with the system combo router modem and that is plugged in the Pre N Belkin wireless Router that we already had.

The reason for doing it was the Belkin as a better range, but both wireless networks work fine

Is one a WAP in that case - how do you connect to the internet - is the sky box the internet facing device and the Belkin the WAP with no direct internet access?

they are both wireless.
The skyone has a built in modem so plugs into the phone socket. The belkin is then plugged into the sty one via the network connection

Thanks - that's helpful

[ThatPhilBrettGuy]

swerni said:

james_tigerwoods said:

swerni said:

ThatPhilBrettGuy said:

james_tigerwoods said:

My ISP is Orange and my max speed is a ludicrous 512k (I've had up to 1Mb) - I shan't rant on about this, but I live rurally so it's the best I can get.

The Orange Livebox is a whole other kind of rubbish and using it I can't access WiFi from the other side of the house - something easily remedied by using a BT Business router.

However, I forgot that I got "Inclusive calls at anytime using your Livebox to UK local and national numbers, Orange mobile and 30 international destinations (fair use policy applies)"

So, my question really is - can I put the 2 routers on the same line - I'd need to use the same internet username and password on both routers which might raise an eyebrow/problem, but I'd turn off the wifi on the Orange router so as to not have 2 wireless transmissions....

Has anyone else done/tried this?

Doesn't work. You can only have one router on the line at the same time.

wrong!!

we have got 2
The sky wireless router that came with the system combo router modem and that is plugged in the Pre N Belkin wireless Router that we already had.

The reason for doing it was the Belkin as a better range, but both wireless networks work fine

Is one a WAP in that case - how do you connect to the internet - is the sky box the internet facing device and the Belkin the WAP with no direct internet access?

they are both wireless.
The skyone has a built in modem so plugs into the phone socket. The belkin is then plugged into the sty one via the network connection

Ah, but that's not actually on the same line though is it, which was the question

Good solution though.

[james_tigerwoods]

swerni said:

ThatPhilBrettGuy said:

swerni said:

james_tigerwoods said:

swerni said:

ThatPhilBrettGuy said:

james_tigerwoods said:

My ISP is Orange and my max speed is a ludicrous 512k (I've had up to 1Mb) - I shan't rant on about this, but I live rurally so it's the best I can get.

The Orange Livebox is a whole other kind of rubbish and using it I can't access WiFi from the other side of the house - something easily remedied by using a BT Business router.

However, I forgot that I got "Inclusive calls at anytime using your Livebox to UK local and national numbers, Orange mobile and 30 international destinations (fair use policy applies)"

So, my question really is - can I put the 2 routers on the same line - I'd need to use the same internet username and password on both routers which might raise an eyebrow/problem, but I'd turn off the wifi on the Orange router so as to not have 2 wireless transmissions....

Has anyone else done/tried this?

Doesn't work. You can only have one router on the line at the same time.

wrong!!

we have got 2
The sky wireless router that came with the system combo router modem and that is plugged in the Pre N Belkin wireless Router that we already had.

The reason for doing it was the Belkin as a better range, but both wireless networks work fine

Is one a WAP in that case - how do you connect to the internet - is the sky box the internet facing device and the Belkin the WAP with no direct internet access?

they are both wireless.
The skyone has a built in modem so plugs into the phone socket. The belkin is then plugged into the sty one via the network connection

Ah, but that's not actually on the same line though is it, which was the question

Good solution though.

We only have one phone line and the routers are daisy chained.

2 routers 1 line

job done

That is sortof the solution that would work - I did wonder if I could have 2 routers configured for 'net use, but there's no need as the only one that would be doing anything would be the BT one (as the Orange one is, well, st)

[benoli]

pmanson said:

You might not be able to do it though. In which case you can pick up a cheap WAP instead.

routers are not good as 'just' access points
i've got one under my desk, and i need to restart it at least once a day
and if it's not setup right, you might find yourself beng double NAT'ed
get a proper WAP

re the original question - two routers in parallel on the same phone is not possible, as the one would connect to you ISP's RADIUS server and collect an IP address.
the second router would be locked out, and maybe even alert the ISP to a problem with your account and stop access to your account

[Odie]

Plug them into Different phone extensions and try it, worst case would be that you could only use 1 at a time. So you could switch between as and when you need it.

[james_tigerwoods]

Odie said:

Plug them into Different phone extensions and try it, worst case would be that you could only use 1 at a time. So you could switch between as and when you need it.

A lot of messing though....

I'm going to try using it as a WAP though - couldn't hurt to try really....