iPhone vs PalmPre War has already been won.

[CommanderJameson]

jamoor said:

page3 said:

jamoor said:

the iPhone is an extremely basic handset with very limited features, so it's easy to use.

Clearly a full UNIX OS, capacitance multi-touch, integrated desktop software and 100,000+ applications mean nothing.

It lacks some very basic functions and 100,000 applications which mainly consist of apps such as calculate the acceleration fo your car isn't exactly great.

Also UNIX OS which noone can actually use.

1/ Which "very basic" functions is it missing? >looks at his iPhone<: Nope. It's got a phone, a crap camera, a calculator, an address book, bluetooth, a music player, a calendar, an alarm clock. It's also got a GPS mapping tool, a weather doodad. It can send and receive MMS and SMS messages. It can read my email and browse the web. What "very basic" functions are not present?

2/ Do you really mean "no-one", or do you mean something else?

[jamoor]

CommanderJameson said:

jamoor said:

page3 said:

jamoor said:

the iPhone is an extremely basic handset with very limited features, so it's easy to use.

Clearly a full UNIX OS, capacitance multi-touch, integrated desktop software and 100,000+ applications mean nothing.

It lacks some very basic functions and 100,000 applications which mainly consist of apps such as calculate the acceleration fo your car isn't exactly great.

Also UNIX OS which noone can actually use.

1/ Which "very basic" functions is it missing? >looks at his iPhone<: Nope. It's got a phone, a crap camera, a calculator, an address book, bluetooth, a music player, a calendar, an alarm clock. It's also got a GPS mapping tool, a weather doodad. It can send and receive MMS and SMS messages. It can read my email and browse the web. What "very basic" functions are not present?

2/ Do you really mean "no-one", or do you mean something else?

Forwarding SMS, Sending SMS to multiple recipients, video recording, no 3rd party apps/java, a2dp, replaceable battery, expandable memory, drag and drop stuff onto it, sending stuff via bluetooth

I would say they are basic features of a smart phone which the iphone claims to be.

Also by "noone" i mean you can't just stick an application onto it, don't you have to go through the app store?

These are all my experiences from when I had it, I sold mine in June.

At it's release it was revolutionary, now the competition has caught up, and is starting to beat it.

[CommanderJameson]

jamoor said:

Forwarding SMS, Sending SMS to multiple recipients, video recording, no 3rd party apps/java, a2dp, replaceable battery, expandable memory, drag and drop stuff onto it, sending stuff via bluetooth

In order: Yes, yes, yes (in 3GS), yes (well, what's the App Store if not 3rd party apps? No java, true), yes, sort of (has to be done in shop), no, yes, no.

So, other than the (sort of) replaceable battery, memory, and "sending stuff via bluetooth", what's your beef?

jamoor said:

I would say they are basic features of a smart phone which the iphone claims to be.

Well, they're mostly there. And you've moved the goalposts from "very basic features" to "basic features of a smartphone", and still not made your point.

jamoor said:

Also by "noone" i mean you can't just stick an application onto it, don't you have to go through the app store?

Not if you jailbreak it. So the "no-one" bit isn't right, either.

jamoor said:

These are all my experiences from when I had it, I sold mine in June.

Perhaps you should have looked more closely.

jamoor said:

At its release it was revolutionary, now the competition has caught up, and is starting to beat it.

If you say so. The thing is, you've not shown any reason to believe that assertion.

Edited by CommanderJameson on Saturday 24th October 22:50

[cho]

whenever i'm asked if the iPhone is any good (as people see me using it) i always say it suits my purposesand does what i need it to. The camera isn't particularly good but i don't use it very much and didn't use my Sony Ericsson 5 meg camera when i had that. I never replaced the battery on any previous phones i had as they were being upgraded maximum every two years. I don't need to send anything via bluetooth and don't see the real need to.

I also don't think that Apple marketed the iPhone as a smartphone to begin with(may be wrong) and it was only labelled with that by the press and it did a lot of what smart phones a few years ago were able to do but a lot slower. It isn't a perfect phone but no phone is and suits ME perfectly. Obviously companies want you to buy their phone which is why they put more and more features on but maybe the way to go is to carry smaller netbooks and a phone which does what it's supposed to. Make calls!

[jamoor]

Oh and multitasking, I constantly multitask on my bold, something the iphone for some reason doesn't do, unless it's changed.

I used to own an iphone for nine months while there wasn't much competition in this market, now that there is, the iphone is now frankly dated and doesn't justify its price tag.

It also doesn't have push email for alot of services.

Also jailbreaking an iphone doesnt count as you will cosntantly be messing around with it every time you get an update.

Edit - I have no beef, I am merely looking at it beyond its usability which is no longer unique and its browser, again which isn't unique.

Edited by jamoor on Saturday 24th October 23:36

[Ordinary_Chap]

cho said:

Obviously companies want you to buy their phone which is why they put more and more features on but maybe the way to go is to carry smaller netbooks and a phone which does what it's supposed to. Make calls!

I'd entirely disagree with this.

Phones are becoming more like pocket PC's each day.

The market is certainly moving to being able to achieve more on mobile devices.

As for the discussion, I like both devices. Right now the Iphone has several years of development in the bag vs the Pre and is hence a much more polished device. The 3GS is the first Iphone for me thats ticked most of my boxes but it's been a long time coming and it's certainly a lot more capable than the original device.

I think on balance the Iphone is the better device but it's a little unfair to compare a new to market device vs a well developed device.

[page3]

jamoor said:

page3 said:

jamoor said:

the iPhone is an extremely basic handset with very limited features, so it's easy to use.

Clearly a full UNIX OS, capacitance multi-touch, integrated desktop software and 100,000+ applications mean nothing.

It lacks some very basic functions and 100,000 applications which mainly consist of apps such as calculate the acceleration fo your car isn't exactly great.

Also UNIX OS which noone can actually use.

I think you need to define the missing 'basic functions' because I cannot find any. It does have one basic function that's missing from an awful lot of other phone, and its a whopper - USABILITY.

I suggest you also need to take a serious look at some of those 100,000 applications.

Of course, the iPhone might not be for everyone and there are some excellent alternatives, of which the Pre is one.

[jamoor]

page3 said:

jamoor said:

page3 said:

jamoor said:

the iPhone is an extremely basic handset with very limited features, so it's easy to use.

Clearly a full UNIX OS, capacitance multi-touch, integrated desktop software and 100,000+ applications mean nothing.

It lacks some very basic functions and 100,000 applications which mainly consist of apps such as calculate the acceleration fo your car isn't exactly great.

Also UNIX OS which noone can actually use.

I think you need to define the missing 'basic functions' because I cannot find any. It does have one basic function that's missing from an awful lot of other phone, and its a whopper - USABILITY.

I suggest you also need to take a serious look at some of those 100,000 applications.

Of course, the iPhone might not be for everyone and there are some excellent alternatives, of which the Pre is one.

Usability was unique back when it was released, now the competition have caught up and lots of phones offer a simialr interface.

[Technonotice]

I do like the iphone but it is just too big. Obviously a smart phone has to be a certain size to maintain usability, but I hate carrying round loads of stuff.

Also I would be constantly worried about it getting stolen, broken or lost.

[elster]

croyde said:

My 3 and 7 year old boys were playing with both in the O2 shop and although I have to say that I liked the look of the Palm Pre, it was my 3 year old that got a handle on the OS very quickly yet when I asked them which one they preferred it was unanimous.....the iPhone.

I asked why and my 7 year old said "Because it just works, Dad!"

War over.

I will be sure to ask your kids on any of other future purchases, thanks.

[croyde]

elster said:

croyde said:

My 3 and 7 year old boys were playing with both in the O2 shop and although I have to say that I liked the look of the Palm Pre, it was my 3 year old that got a handle on the OS very quickly yet when I asked them which one they preferred it was unanimous.....the iPhone.

I asked why and my 7 year old said "Because it just works, Dad!"

War over.

I will be sure to ask your kids on any of other future purchases, thanks.

No problem but there will be a small charge of course

[elster]

croyde said:

elster said:

croyde said:

My 3 and 7 year old boys were playing with both in the O2 shop and although I have to say that I liked the look of the Palm Pre, it was my 3 year old that got a handle on the OS very quickly yet when I asked them which one they preferred it was unanimous.....the iPhone.

I asked why and my 7 year old said "Because it just works, Dad!"

War over.

I will be sure to ask your kids on any of other future purchases, thanks.

No problem but there will be a small charge of course

I would expect nothing less to be communicating with an oracle

[jamoor]

elster said:

croyde said:

My 3 and 7 year old boys were playing with both in the O2 shop and although I have to say that I liked the look of the Palm Pre, it was my 3 year old that got a handle on the OS very quickly yet when I asked them which one they preferred it was unanimous.....the iPhone.

I asked why and my 7 year old said "Because it just works, Dad!"

War over.

I will be sure to ask your kids on any of other future purchases, thanks.

Or buy an iphone if you have the brainpower of a three year old!

[Frik]

Comments like that hardly strengthen your argument.

[6655321]

jamoor said:

elster said:

croyde said:

My 3 and 7 year old boys were playing with both in the O2 shop and although I have to say that I liked the look of the Palm Pre, it was my 3 year old that got a handle on the OS very quickly yet when I asked them which one they preferred it was unanimous.....the iPhone.

I asked why and my 7 year old said "Because it just works, Dad!"

War over.

I will be sure to ask your kids on any of other future purchases, thanks.

Or buy an iphone if you have the brainpower of a three year old!

Jamoor, you just sound like a techno-dullard. The iPhone, does the phone bit well, the email bit well, the music bit well, the internet bit well, the movies bit well, the application bit well, and so on, and so on. I'm sure the Palm-pre does these things well, also, but your dogged insistence that one is better than the other is PURE unadulterated boredom. How about you actually list the points you have issue with, and why, and give examples if you want to get technical. Just saying rather blanket statements makes you look a bit twisted.

[jamoor]

6655321 said:

jamoor said:

elster said:

croyde said:

My 3 and 7 year old boys were playing with both in the O2 shop and although I have to say that I liked the look of the Palm Pre, it was my 3 year old that got a handle on the OS very quickly yet when I asked them which one they preferred it was unanimous.....the iPhone.

I asked why and my 7 year old said "Because it just works, Dad!"

War over.

I will be sure to ask your kids on any of other future purchases, thanks.

Or buy an iphone if you have the brainpower of a three year old!

Jamoor, you just sound like a techno-dullard. The iPhone, does the phone bit well, the email bit well, the music bit well, the internet bit well, the movies bit well, the application bit well, and so on, and so on. I'm sure the Palm-pre does these things well, also, but your dogged insistence that one is better than the other is PURE unadulterated boredom. How about you actually list the points you have issue with, and why, and give examples if you want to get technical. Just saying rather blanket statements makes you look a bit twisted.

It doesn't do the email bit well, it does it *OK* blackberry do the email bit well, as they offer push services for numerous providers, and handles it much better than the iphone.
The internet bit it does "well", I don't have a clue about the music part as I never used it.

The application bit IMO does poorly as there is no way of installing apps without jailbreaking it or using the app store.

Essentially for most people, buying the iphone is just the start, after that you need to pay to add any apps onto it using the app store.

It also doesn't have any IM clients for it? That's probbably because it has zero multitasking.

Edited by jamoor on Sunday 25th October 14:23

[6655321]

Erm... What doesn't it do well email wise? I have a yahoo account, a company account, and a .me account on there, and haven't had an issue. It has preset 'easy peasy' settings for gmail, microsoft exchange, yahoo, etc, as well as allowing you to set up mail however you want. What, exactly, are your issues with it?

As for internet, it does it well. The interface is easy, and the keyboard is a doddle. You can sync toy bookmarks, etc from your home computer. What's the issue?

The application does poorly? There are applications up the yin-yang. Pretty much all of them have a 'lite' version that is free, as well as PLENTY of full versions that are free. Are all palm pre apps free? So no. you don't 'need' t pay for anything. The amount of free apps is astounding.

Yes, there are IM applications for the iphone. I use ping, which you can turn notifications on, or off. There are plenty of others which have such ability, including shape, AIM, ping, and fring...

[jamoor]

6655321 said:

Erm... What doesn't it do well email wise? I have a yahoo account, a company account, and a .me account on there, and haven't had an issue. It has preset 'easy peasy' settings for gmail, microsoft exchange, yahoo, etc, as well as allowing you to set up mail however you want. What, exactly, are your issues with it?

As for internet, it does it well. The interface is easy, and the keyboard is a doddle. You can sync toy bookmarks, etc from your home computer. What's the issue?

The application does poorly? There are applications up the yin-yang. Pretty much all of them have a 'lite' version that is free, as well as PLENTY of full versions that are free. Are all palm pre apps free? So no. you don't 'need' t pay for anything. The amount of free apps is astounding.

Yes, there are IM applications for the iphone. I use ping, which you can turn notifications on, or off. There are plenty of others which have such ability, including shape, AIM, ping, and fring...

Email wise - does it have one inbox for all your emails? Does it filter facebook messages into the facebook app?
If I recieve an email on my blackberry, I can read it without pressing a single button, the iphone requires a few clicks. I can also customise each message I recieve with a custom buzz/tone.

Internet is good, no complaints about that, not head and shoulders above the rest like it was when it was launched though.

Re IM apps - can you get google talk, msn messenger etc on there? Does it run in the background and do you recieve messages instantly?

Also re apps, lets say you want to make your own app, can you write it and install it to your iphone or do you need to install it via the appstore?

The big gripe is the fact that it's completely locked down, buying it is the first step toi lining apples pockets, after that you must conitinuously pay for any apps you may like, all the competition however are open to allow you to install whatever you want.

I know you can jailbreak it, but every time they launch a new OS, they try to block it.


Out of interest, what other devices have you used for email, browsing etc?

Edited by jamoor on Sunday 25th October 15:12

[6655321]

jamoor said:

Email wise - does it have one inbox for all your emails?
I have different accounts for a reason... Why would I have different accounts, and then lump them all in one inbox?

Does it filter facebook messages into the facebook app?
Sorry, I'm not 13, so don't have facebook, can't help you there. I would imagine the facebook app would handle your facebook mail, but I don't have it.

If I recieve an email on my blackberry, I can read it without pressing a single button, the iphone requires a few clicks. I can also customise each message I recieve with a custom buzz/tone.
Without pressing a button, so it appears no matter what you are doing? That's annoying. yes, having to press something twice is indeed a bind, and such an utter waste of resources! As for buzzes and beeps, nope, not that I'm aware of. Not sure why you need a buzz or beep different, to be honest. I don't have that on my mail client, and as yours pops up without pressing any buttons it wouldn't matter, would it?

Internet is good, no complaints about that, not head and shoulders above the rest like it was when it was launched though.
OK

Re IM apps - can you get google talk, msn messenger etc on there? Does it run in the background and do you recieve messages instantly?
There are an abundance of messenger clients that cope with MSN, AOL, AIM, twitter, etc, all in one app

Also re apps, lets say you want to make your own app, can you write it and install it to your iphone or do you need to install it via the appstore?
No idea.. Never written one

The big gripe is the fact that it's completely locked down, buying it is the first step toi lining apples pockets, after that you must conitinuously pay for any apps you may like, all the competition however are open to allow you to install whatever you want.
That's a gripe for a tiny minority I would imagine. I can find whatever app I want on the iTunes store, and despite your insistence that you have to pay, you don't. The amount of free apps is extensive. As for installing whatever I want... Such as? I have a VNC program, an office suite, IM client, file transfer, access to offsite storage, etc... Not sure what else I really need that would get me as grumpy as you about it. As for lining apples pockets? Fine, go and line Palms pockets, or Nokias pockets...

I know you can jailbreak it, but every time they launch a new OS, they try to block it.
That's up to them. Sounds like a pain in the arse to me, but then again I don't feel the need to hack my microwave oven, DVD player, TV, radio, speakers either


Out of interest, what other devices have you used for email, browsing etc?
That would be considered a 'smart phone' then an N95, and a blackberry curve... I seldom used their features as they really weren't great to use, plus the keyboards annoyed me

Edited by jamoor on Sunday 25th October 15:12

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[jamoor]

6655321 said:

jamoor said:

Email wise - does it have one inbox for all your emails?
I have different accounts for a reason... Why would I have different accounts, and then lump them all in one inbox?

Does it filter facebook messages into the facebook app?
Sorry, I'm not 13, so don't have facebook, can't help you there. I would imagine the facebook app would handle your facebook mail, but I don't have it.

If I recieve an email on my blackberry, I can read it without pressing a single button, the iphone requires a few clicks. I can also customise each message I recieve with a custom buzz/tone.
Without pressing a button, so it appears no matter what you are doing? That's annoying. yes, having to press something twice is indeed a bind, and such an utter waste of resources! As for buzzes and beeps, nope, not that I'm aware of. Not sure why you need a buzz or beep different, to be honest. I don't have that on my mail client, and as yours pops up without pressing any buttons it wouldn't matter, would it?

Internet is good, no complaints about that, not head and shoulders above the rest like it was when it was launched though.
OK
Re IM apps - can you get google talk, msn messenger etc on there? Does it run in the background and do you recieve messages instantly?
There are an abundance of messenger clients that cope with MSN, AOL, AIM, twitter, etc, all in one app

Also re apps, lets say you want to make your own app, can you write it and install it to your iphone or do you need to install it via the appstore?
No idea.. Never written one

The big gripe is the fact that it's completely locked down, buying it is the first step toi lining apples pockets, after that you must conitinuously pay for any apps you may like, all the competition however are open to allow you to install whatever you want.
That's a gripe for a tiny minority I would imagine. I can find whatever app I want on the iTunes store, and despite your insistence that you have to pay, you don't. The amount of free apps is extensive. As for installing whatever I want... Such as? I have a VNC program, an office suite, IM client, file transfer, access to offsite storage, etc... Not sure what else I really need that would get me as grumpy as you about it. As for lining apples pockets? Fine, go and line Palms pockets, or Nokias pockets...

I know you can jailbreak it, but every time they launch a new OS, they try to block it.
That's up to them. Sounds like a pain in the arse to me, but then again I don't feel the need to hack my microwave oven, DVD player, TV, radio, speakers either


Out of interest, what other devices have you used for email, browsing etc?
That would be considered a 'smart phone' then an N95, and a blackberry curve... I seldom used their features as they really weren't great to use, plus the keyboards annoyed me

Edited by jamoor on Sunday 25th October 15:12

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I have different accounts for business and personal, when replying I want to reply from different email addresses.

Also re: the checking of email, I just have to take it out of the holster and the email is there in front of me, it also has a handy LED to let you know if you have recieved a message.

Different buzzes and beeps for different types of messages (IM, PIN, Email)

IMO the blackberries are designed for communcation, the iphones seem to be designed around music, browsing and the like.

Edit - I guess if you didn't need your curve for email, Messaging etc then you probbably don't see its strengths.

Edited by jamoor on Sunday 25th October 15:36