Huge mistake Nokia

[clonmult]

MarkRSi said:

Pr1964 said:

The difference is *some hypothetical bullst - let's face it if they adopted android you'd still be bhing that they should have adopted Windows phone instead or gone back to making paper or something*

All the lumia products I've seen fail on either build quality or battery life or both.

Obviously you haven't tried a Lumia 710 - superior battery life and build quality is at least as good as my Motorola Atrix and superior to my very cheap ZTE Blade, despite being the same price as the latter.

The only downside is a the lack of a gazillion apps, but the core phone itself is nicer to use. And the camera is excellent.

I'm seriously tempted by a Windows 8 Nokia as my next phone.

A couple of days battery life is not excellent.

And as for the camera being excellent, define excellent. The 920, 710, etc. are not good enough to replace a dedicated camera. Whereas the N8 could equal a lot of compacts, and the 808 can happily replace/better almost anything up to a bridge camera. Strange that the new generation of Nokias can't even equal their 2+ year old Symbian cameras.

But then the camera isn't really a priority for them as it once was (although there are rumours of the Feb MWC announcements being something quite interesting)

[lestag]

Pr1964 said:

Whereas a smart phone which dies 1/2 way through a working day is IMO totally unacceptable even if it runs a billion apps and does gps and etc and etc

Utter utter bkS yet again PR, turn all those things of and it will last 2 days, using it as a phone

[Regiment]

Pr1964 said:

Apps FFS as if they matter to anyone who's over 14

The reviews all go on and on about a lack of f-ing apps.

But how many ever say the battery life is rubbish
or the phone is laggy in use none ..

The phone industy is one of the few where the core use is going backwards ...


ie for making calls most of these smart phones are poor at best ..


That is where nokia was excellent now just like all the others rubbish.


edit to add

the motor industry has flappy paddle to compare it goes wrong and in normal use isn't any benefit just there to make a profit.

Edited by Pr1964 on Tuesday 29th January 10:47

Using my Lumia 800, it's as smooth as an iPhone and a damnsite better than any android phone I've used, including the htc wildfire s, Samsung ace, and Samsung s2. The battery life is the same as the iPhone 4 and my old 3GS, that's from personal experience. Build quality of my Lumia range is also comparable to an iPhone and better than all the htc and Samsung phones ive used. The only down side I've ever had when living with my Lumia is the lack of apps.

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from about the Lumia range of Nokia phones but it doesn't appear to be from personal use unless you're very unlucky.

[clonmult]

lestag said:

Pr1964 said:

Whereas a smart phone which dies 1/2 way through a working day is IMO totally unacceptable even if it runs a billion apps and does gps and etc and etc

Utter utter bkS yet again PR, turn all those things of and it will last 2 days, using it as a phone

For once I agree with Pr1964.

When I have location services enabled on my 4S, I can't get a day out of a charge. Use it purely as a phone (and barely making calls) and it can maybe go for a couple of days. At which point you may as well just buy a basic phone that'll last for a week on a charge - heck, my old BB Curve would go for 5+ days on a charge with a decent push mail service. Transition to the 4S doing the same job, its already had to be reconfigured to only poll for mails every 15 minutes, make a couple of calls and it won't make it through the day.

2 days battery life for just being used as a phone is rubbish.

There is a reason why juice packs, cases with extended batteries, etc. tend to be more popular now - its because the phones capabilities are in excess of what the batteries can offer.

[clonmult]

Regiment said:

Using my Lumia 800, it's as smooth as an iPhone and a damnsite better than any android phone I've used, including the htc wildfire s, Samsung ace, and Samsung s2. The battery life is the same as the iPhone 4 and my old 3GS, that's from personal experience. Build quality of my Lumia range is also comparable to an iPhone and better than all the htc and Samsung phones ive used. The only down side I've ever had when living with my Lumia is the lack of apps.

I'm not sure where you're getting your information from about the Lumia range of Nokia phones but it doesn't appear to be from personal use unless you're very unlucky.

I'd hope that the Lumia would be better built than the iPhone (and SGS3), as they seem to be ridiculously fragile bits of kit. We've all got shiny iPhone 4S or SGS3s at work, and unless you treat them with ridiculous amounts of care, they tend to shatter/crack/break with ridiculous ease.

I really don't find the Nokia 808 lacking in build, I've thrown it around with an abandon that I can't do with my iPhone, and it still looks (almost) as good as new (almost due to the "lower" section of the camera bump looking a little worn)

[Regiment]

clonmult said:

I'd hope that the Lumia would be better built than the iPhone (and SGS3), as they seem to be ridiculously fragile bits of kit. We've all got shiny iPhone 4S or SGS3s at work, and unless you treat them with ridiculous amounts of care, they tend to shatter/crack/break with ridiculous ease.

I really don't find the Nokia 808 lacking in build, I've thrown it around with an abandon that I can't do with my iPhone, and it still looks (almost) as good as new (almost due to the "lower" section of the camera bump looking a little worn)

My Lumia 800 gets used a lot and is dropped on the odd occasion as well and never had problems with its build. It has lived in its little black case that the Lumia's come with as standard so whether that has anything to do with how new, apart from the finger prints all over the screen, I'm not sure but it looks as new underneath and reliability has been rock solid. ,I trust my Lumia 800 more than my iPad 2, which hangs and crashes once every few days.

[CommanderJameson]

Pr1964 said:

The worst thing about these smart phones is when you use one the battery drain varies a lot
Some days you'll get a whole day another you'll get 1/2 a day whilst doing the same things.

Even when I've turned off all the crap.
and set it to 2G etc etc

They're all the same android iphone win8 just cack.

The new BB 10 will be the same a battery eating piece of junk.



I know I'm in the minority but I really really really would love a basic phone that looks good is well built and just does 4 things.

Email Phone TEXT and WEB.

I remember seeing a phone which had a screen front and back one side oled the other epaper.

I'd like a phone which is just e-paper black and white high resolution is fine for business.

Maybe then it would give a battery life of a few days.

Maybe there's no demand the weird thing is they won't know if there's any demand because they only ask teenagers what they want.

No-one but you wants what you want.

Go and set something up on Kickstarter if you're convinced that there's a market for a phone that does fk all but still has all the infrastructure required to do telephony+internet.

pr1964 said:

It an insane market where they are like sheep following apple insane ! Lack of development and a continued lack of variety.


Why Nokia or other manufacturer can’t look at ultra robust ultra thin ultra long life battery phones and use a little lateral thinking is beyond me.

How about a phone which can have a colour screen for the weekend and an e-paper screen for the work week?

You’d think one of them would do it rather than just copy everything else which is on the market…

Bonkers////

Ultra robust! Ultra thin! Ultra long life! Colour! Black and white! It's a floor wax! It's a dessert topping! And widescreen! And 3D! And easy to use!

[clonmult]

Pr1964 said:

I know I'm in the minority but I really really really would love a basic phone that looks good is well built and just does 4 things.

Email Phone TEXT and WEB.

I remember seeing a phone which had a screen front and back one side oled the other epaper.

I'd like a phone which is just e-paper black and white high resolution is fine for business.

Maybe then it would give a battery life of a few days.

My old BB Curve. Perfect for email, text and phone. Browser was a bit naff, but it just about worked. Colour screen, would go for an easy 5 days on a charge. I really am regretting changing to the iPhone, which really is lousy as a corporate communications tool. Great as a toy, but it wasn't bought for that.

So they do exist - but you'd "have" to just go for a basic "poverty" spec Blackberry (which still has no peers in push mail).

[CommanderJameson]

clonmult said:

My old BB Curve. Perfect for email, text and phone. Browser was a bit naff, but it just about worked. Colour screen, would go for an easy 5 days on a charge. I really am regretting changing to the iPhone, which really is lousy as a corporate communications tool. Great as a toy, but it wasn't bought for that.

So they do exist - but you'd "have" to just go for a basic "poverty" spec Blackberry (which still has no peers in push mail).

I've got an 8520 right here.

5 days on a charge? Not in this universe.

2 days, if you're lucky, and you don't talk on it.

It's fking st in every possible way; the screen's crap, the email client is crap, the keyboard's crap, the contact management is crap, the call management is crap. It's got crap running through it like a stick of brown rock.

And it takes 5 minutes to start up, which happens when it locks up and the only thing you can do is pull the battery out.

Perhaps there's a good BlackBerry out there, but it's not the 8520 and it's definitely not the Storm 2 (I had one of those of my own. What I was thinking at the time, I'll never know).

[lestag]

clonmult said:

So they do exist - but you'd "have" to just go for a basic "poverty" spec Blackberry (which still has no peers in push mail).

HA! My lumia 800 (against an exchange server) bet the guys I was working with ... by 1 sec....

[CommanderJameson]

clonmult said:

(which still has no peers in push mail).

Given that world+dog does EAS these days, what does this even mean?

[ZesPak]

clonmult said:

My old BB Curve. Perfect for email, text and phone. Browser was a bit naff.

Sorry, but you misspelled "borderline useless".

The phrase before that was acceptable though: "Perfect for email, text and phone". End of.

Edited by ZesPak on Wednesday 30th January 12:14

[MarkRSi]

clonmult said:

A couple of days battery life is not excellent.

Compared to a dumb/feature phone, it's rubbish, but then if that was the priority then I'd have one of the gazillion available (even from Nokia) rather than a smart phone. My Android phones are lucky to survive a day on a single charge although to be fair I tend to leave a lot of stuff on.

clonmult said:

And as for the camera being excellent, define excellent. The 920, 710, etc. are not good enough to replace a dedicated camera. Whereas the N8 could equal a lot of compacts, and the 808 can happily replace/better almost anything up to a bridge camera. Strange that the new generation of Nokias can't even equal their 2+ year old Symbian cameras.

But then the camera isn't really a priority for them as it once was (although there are rumours of the Feb MWC announcements being something quite interesting)

Excellent for a camera phone - again I'm just comparing against my Motorola Atrix & ZTE Blade here, but my 710 seems to be a notch above these two. I'm sure it's no match for the best on the market, but these are mid-spec phones at best.

Here's a video I took with the 710 - even the audio recording quality is good IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hZDG63NWI&lis...

TBH though, even something like an 808 wouldn't replace my Lumix bridge camera (let alone my Pentax SLR) simply because they don't have a zoom lens on them and don't have full manual control.

Now that you mention it I did used to have a Nokia 5800 - would be good to compare the photos/videos from this against my 710...

[MarkRSi]

Pr1964 said:

I know I'm in the minority but I really really really would love a basic phone that looks good is well built and just does 4 things.

Email Phone TEXT and WEB.

I remember seeing a phone which had a screen front and back one side oled the other epaper.

I'd like a phone which is just e-paper black and white high resolution is fine for business.

Maybe then it would give a battery life of a few days.

Not sure why I'm bothering, but how about this?

http://www.carphonewarehouse.com/mobiles/mobile-ph...

[clonmult]

MarkRSi said:

Excellent for a camera phone - again I'm just comparing against my Motorola Atrix & ZTE Blade here, but my 710 seems to be a notch above these two. I'm sure it's no match for the best on the market, but these are mid-spec phones at best.

Here's a video I took with the 710 - even the audio recording quality is good IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hZDG63NWI&lis...

TBH though, even something like an 808 wouldn't replace my Lumix bridge camera (let alone my Pentax SLR) simply because they don't have a zoom lens on them and don't have full manual control.

Now that you mention it I did used to have a Nokia 5800 - would be good to compare the photos/videos from this against my 710...

Ugh, the 5800 was horrible. If they'd put the camera in from the N73, it would have been okay ... but they didn't.

The audio is prety good on the 710, thats the first sample I've heard. Wonder how it would compare to the 808, which is truly stellar and unlike the 920 it records in stereo (I've stood next to speakers at rather heavy gigs and it recorded them like it was connected direct to the guitars feed).

The 808 does actually make you use the camera slightly different; I'd almost put money on it equalling your Lumix bridge on image quality (iirc it equalled an Olympus EP1 in a double-blind type test), but obviously its lacking on the manual controls (well, it has no aperture control). I've got rid of my old compact, and the SLR only gets used when i know I'll need the F1.8/50mm or the zoom. For the rest of the time, the 808 does an indecently good job.

[CommanderJameson]

Pr1964 said:

http://yota.com.ni/en/htc_max_4g/comm/

Epaper mobile.

No, it's not.

It's a five-year-old relic with a fancy skin on a Russian carrier.

Not really sure what it's got to do with anything, tbh.

[clonmult]

Pr1964 said:

It Appears there is still big demand for Nokia Dumb Phones 100 and c2-01 !!


Cnet
""""""""
Nokia also continued to do well, with four phones in the top 10. One slight snag -- none of them run Windows Phone 8, hinting that while that mobile OS might have a hardcore following, it's not yet penetrated the mainstream. The Symbian-running Nokia 100 and C2-01 were positioned four and five, while the Lumia 800 and 610 were eight and nine, respectively.
""""""""

CNet showing their quality reporting as always; the 100 and C2-01 are not running Symbian, think the 100 is running S30, the C2-01 is running S40. Neither of which is Symbian or even slightly related.

[RumbleOfThunder]

Pasta for tea, I think.

[Simbu]

Pr1964 said:

Nokia are so Useless

On their Home page today 4th Feb 2013 they are showing images of the Nokia C5 as a business phone when they don't NOW sell the C5 !
Maybe they know a lot of business people want a numeric mobile like the C5?
Ah but they do sell the Asha 302 qwerty phone ... which is what 12 year old school kids use.

I'd like to think we're a bit better than useless! Anyway, I agree with your point about the Nokia for Business section looking a bit outdated. For what it's worth I've created a post on our intranet making the point, so something good may come of it!

[RumbleOfThunder]

Here you go Pr! A chance for you to turn Nokia's fortunes around!