C63 Tuning Group Buy

[PhantomAMG]

Thanks for the input from Cyclone and Tack....

I have to be very careful because it is pretty obvious what is going to happen here.....

Anyway as I am not allowed to post for commercial gain without complaints being made. it is impossible to talk freely on this topic.

All I will say is that no prices have been set in stone... It was a rough figure based on a very small number of cars.

Obviously if interest is there then I will set something in stone off the forum...

The price that Cheifski26 has quoted was a one off event and indeed there is possibility that we will hold a similar day.

If anyone wants to discuss or has questions please pm me so as to avoid forum sniper fire.... Too old and to tired to get into forum debates....

[chiefski26]

Was not a one off event, was jerrys second such event and i believe msl have another planned this year which jerry will be attending in person again.

A c63 recorded a 536 bhp figure with just a carbon airbox and jerrys tune the rest of the car was 100% as it left the factory and this was a non pp or ppp car just goes to show are headers exhausts etc really required or a waste of £ ?

I think having jerry tune the car is superb value for money as he seems to be a tuning god in amg cirlcles and the results speak for themselves go to eurocharged.com and have a browse.

A member here - palmball had a ppp c63 dynoed at 507bhp stock from factory so if one is spending thousands for a small gain over this figure is it value for money and how often will one make use of the extra power.

I am confident with just a £500 eurocharged remap with jerry present will get approx 520 530 from any c63 now that is a superb vlaue for money mod with no other money spent.

Edited by chiefski26 on Thursday 8th August 19:11

[ecain63]

chiefski26 said:

Was not a one off event, was jerrys second such event and i believe msl have another planned this year which jerry will be attending in person again.

A c63 recorded a 536 bhp figure with just a carbon airbox and jerrys tune the rest of the car was 100% as it left the factory and this was a non pp or ppp car just goes to show are headers exhausts etc really required or a waste of £ ?

I think having jerry tune the car is superb value for money as he seems to be a tuning god in amg cirlcles and the results speak for themselves go to eurocharged.com and have a browse.

A member here - palmball had a ppp c63 dynoed at 507bhp stock from factory so if one is spending thousands for a small gain over this figure is it value for money and how often will one make use of the extra power.

Surely if the maps are from the same source it matters not who is loading it. Does Jerry do any live adjustments or is it simply him applying the map? Ive read about his work and have always bee impressed. I'll be equally impressed with Phil no doubt when he loads the map to mine. Probably more actually as he'll also be fitting a carbon front lip to match the rear.

[chiefski26]

ecain63 said:

Surely if the maps are from the same source it matters not who is loading it. Does Jerry do any live adjustments or is it simply him applying the map? Ive read about his work and have always bee impressed. I'll be equally impressed with Phil no doubt when he loads the map to mine. Probably more actually as he'll also be fitting a carbon front lip to match the rear.

The maps at msl were live maps with obvious gains once jerry had tweaked the original map.

The carbon lip in my eyes is a waste of money as it provides no benefit but each to their own.

[ecain63]

chiefski26 said:

ecain63 said:

Surely if the maps are from the same source it matters not who is loading it. Does Jerry do any live adjustments or is it simply him applying the map? Ive read about his work and have always bee impressed. I'll be equally impressed with Phil no doubt when he loads the map to mine. Probably more actually as he'll also be fitting a carbon front lip to match the rear.

The maps at msl were live maps with obvious gains once jerry had tweaked the original map.

The carbon lip in my eyes is a waste of money as it provides no benefit but each to their own.

You sound like fun tonight?? Chips pissed on today? We are all friends here Chiefski.

[TackMEU]

chiefski26 said:

The maps at msl were live maps with obvious gains once jerry had tweaked the original map.

The carbon lip in my eyes is a waste of money as it provides no benefit but each to their own.

It does indeed sound good, but playing devils advocate here. 530bhp on one dyno is extremely likely to read differently elsewhere. So any talk of such figures can only be limited the that particular dyno/tuner.

I am certainly not saying anyone is wrong here, but dyno a car up in Brum and it might read 536. Bring the same car darn sarf, give it identical conditions and it will almost certainly have a different peak power.

[chiefski26]

TackMEU said:

It does indeed sound good, but playing devils advocate here. 530bhp on one dyno is extremely likely to read differently elsewhere. So any talk of such figures can only be limited the that particular dyno/tuner.

I am certainly not saying anyone is wrong here, but dyno a car up in Brum and it might read 536. Bring the same car darn sarf, give it identical conditions and it will almost certainly have a different peak power.

The dyno was a mobile rig from london lol.

It was also adjusted for weather conditions on the day etc.

Edited by chiefski26 on Thursday 8th August 19:39

[TackMEU]

chiefski26 said:

The dyno was a mobile rig from london lol.

It was also adjusted for weather conditions on the day etc.

Edited by chiefski26 on Thursday 8th August 19:39

I think I will leave it there, as you have somewhat missed my point.

[PhantomAMG]

Lol this is why I love forums..... This thread is getting weird now.... A bit like having an argument with yourself in a mirror..

I'm not really sure what your problem is chiefski but hey what ever makes you feel good.

Jerry is a good friend of mine both personally and business wise, that is why we are a Eurocharged dealer....we have been giving him plenty of data logging and feed back on the C63 in the UK environment now for the best part of 12 months..

We have the capacity to do remote live tuning or flash tuning with him as we need...

I have no arguements that he is one of the best that is why we use him!

You obviously have an axe to grind at everything we offer but hey ho lth ate the joy of the Internet these days..

But I'm still lost at what you are arguing about as the AMG tuning we provide is Eurocharged product and we have never hidden it!

I happy to leave it there but I'm sure you will have some witty retort....or pearl of wisdom...

[ecain63]

Agreed! It does seem somebody has an underlying issue with this topic. Everyone is entitled to an opinion but generally it should be one formed from experience, not just damaging lines of sniping for no apparent reason.

[bmw320ci]

ecain63 said:

Could just have an lsd fitted as part of the upgrade.

why would you want to retro fit an LSD? just trade in and buy one with an LSD simples

The performance Plus pack included the uprated engine from the SLS, uprated brakes,(in red)ohhhh... on later models you had to buy the LSD in addition to the PP+, I have owned both and the current C63 doesnt have it and it feels better round corners, the last car had an LSD and scrubbed tyres every 3000 miles and slipped round every corner.

Anyway can I join the queue please im in Pompey

Edited by bmw320ci on Tuesday 13th August 16:06

[bmw320ci]

[quote=ecain63]Ive spoken to Phil at Rebellion and he's agreed to do a group buy deal on C63 mapping. Standard price is £699 but he has agreed to £550 a head if we get a handful of names. If you want facts and figures I can find out but from memory I think 515bhp isnt unusual with their tune, bringing it up to almost DR520 figures with better drivability. Not sure when the tuning session will be done but we can work that out as we go. Add names below if youre keen.

1. ecain63 - 2010 PP+
2. BMW320ci - 2013 non PP+

[ecain63]

bmw320ci said:

why would you want to retro fit an LSD? just trade in and buy one with an LSD simples

Edited by bmw320ci on Tuesday 13th August 16:06

I reckon you'd lose more than £1600 by trading in a non lsd car for an lsd car????????

Also, its not the sls engine, only a few bits from it to lighten the internals. The sls engine comes with about an extra foot of induction feed as well as some other bits.

[Gareth135R]

I just have a few questions regarding my 2013 C63:

1) Some maps on the market improved MPG. What about this map? Appreciate we're throwing out more power.
2) It's a substantial increase from 460bhp to circa 510-530bhp especially being N/A. Any reports of cars going into limp/safe mode?
3) How traceable is the map to Mercedes? Can it be removed (maybe with laptop/dongle) prior to going into Mercedes for a service?
4) With this extra power, how does the gearbox cope? Would the gearbox not require some sort of map (or is that not possible)?
5) Customers based many miles from Eurocharged dealer. What sort of customer support do we get? We can't just nip to dealer.

TIA

[mb26]

[quote=Gareth135R]I just have a few questions regarding my 2013 C63:

1) Some maps on the market improved MPG. What about this map? Appreciate we're throwing out more power. DONT EXPECT ANY IMPROVEMENT.
2) It's a substantial increase from 460bhp to circa 510-530bhp especially being N/A. Any reports of cars going into limp/safe mode? NOT IN MY EXPERIENCE
3) How traceable is the map to Mercedes? Can it be removed (maybe with laptop/dongle) prior to going into Mercedes for a service? GET THE MY GENIUS IF YOU ARE AT ALL CONCERNED
4) With this extra power, how does the gearbox cope? Would the gearbox not require some sort of map (or is that not possible)? NO PROBLEM AT ALL
5) Customers based many miles from Eurocharged dealer. What sort of customer support do we get? We can't just nip to dealer. ITS EXCELLENT DIRECT FROM EC. REALLY SIMPLE PROCESS. JUST NEED A LAPTOP AND A PHONE.

[Parisien]

Guys, we did a group offer e-map on our Maseratis, off the sportsmaserati forum, very much a 50:50 split as to whether or not it made ANY difference whatsoever!!!

[MOD500]

From my experience with tuning cars (albeit turbo Pork), the tuner needs to give proper DIN output data from a engine dyno where the tuned motor was properly loaded simulating very high road speed and run at near max revs for a sustained time. You need to be sure 1hp from MB = 1hp from tuner, and the power is reliable and sustainable. Some examples from the Porsche world:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_hMSBRGvbRc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EeVlpF5Fccs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Q6LwaF9LyM

Or tuner show's Performance Box data from say Bruntingthorpe where the car is tested standard, then mapped and retested showing the improvement in bench mark acceleration numbers plus top speed and in-gear acceleration. This is also a good opportunity to check the critical engine parameters during high speed runs to ensure the motor is not running lean, etc, etc after the mapping. The Porsche tuner 9e have recently showcased their products very well in this way.

I have no idea if the MB tuner mentioned in this thread does either of the above or not, but you would hope this is the case.

[TackMEU]

Parisien said:

Guys, we did a group offer e-map on our Maseratis, off the sportsmaserati forum, very much a 50:50 split as to whether or not it made ANY difference whatsoever!!!

Not particularly relevant to a C63 though!

[Parisien]

TackMEU said:

Not particularly relevant to a C63 though!

Its a car, has an engine, is going to be re-mapped..........different brand .....thats largely it, so relevant IMHO

[V8 DUH]

Parisien said:

Its a car, has an engine, is going to be re-mapped..........different brand .....thats largely it, so relevant IMHO

Not really when the engine in the C63 is detuned from the factory. All the tune does is unlock the full potential of the engine which how it runs in the E63 etc. Mine has been running a Eurocharged tune for a year and the gains are obvious if you look at a dyno plot regardless of the end numbers