Anyone else disappointed with their C63 (W205)?
Discussion
naefeart said:
That’s a mean looking FE. I’m guessing those lads are wrapping your chrome bits… bit of a screw up by MBUK, I’d not want to be that person haha. Have you PPFed the car, I’m guessing you have to be more careful looking after the matt paint?
Interesting point re the tyres, does it matter if they are Mercedes spec or not? Hopefully it doesn’t invalidate the warranty like it supposedly does with Porsche.
Thanks. I never have PPF on my cars, I prefer without. If you're careful you don't need it (IMO). They were wrapping the chrome with 3M gloss black, you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between that and night pack.Interesting point re the tyres, does it matter if they are Mercedes spec or not? Hopefully it doesn’t invalidate the warranty like it supposedly does with Porsche.
Re. Tyres: No you don't need Mercedes spec for the warranty. It's only Porsche that have that insanity. However, I had previously dismissed manufacturer OE spec tyres as I thought it was just a gimmick to spend more money. However this is an interesting article comparing PS4S vs PS4S (BMW *): https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Should-I-Fit-O...
HammyHamster said:
Re. Tyres: No you don't need Mercedes spec for the warranty. It's only Porsche that have that insanity. However, I had previously dismissed manufacturer OE spec tyres as I thought it was just a gimmick to spend more money. However this is an interesting article comparing PS4S vs PS4S (BMW *): https://www.tyrereviews.com/Article/Should-I-Fit-O...
Interstingly I watched this last night, its deomstrates there is a huge different in the compund makeup of the OE tyre, at least in BMW's case. This concerns me re not going with OE spec tyres; I want to upgrade from the MO PSS, but the PS4S are not availble in 285/30R20 in MO spec. I asked Michelin Consumer Care and they said:"f you're not able to match all the markings it's indeed best not to take any markings at all. But in case of Mercedes-AMG vehicles it is strongly recommended to fit MO marked tyres."
I was going to go non MO PS4S, but now I'm not sure. Perhaps the BMW OE tyre is a better bet, but that just seems wrong -?
Kaze said:
Interstingly I watched this last night, its deomstrates there is a huge different in the compund makeup of the OE tyre, at least in BMW's case. This concerns me re not going with OE spec tyres; I want to upgrade from the MO PSS, but the PS4S are not availble in 285/30R20 in MO spec. I asked Michelin Consumer Care and they said:
"f you're not able to match all the markings it's indeed best not to take any markings at all. But in case of Mercedes-AMG vehicles it is strongly recommended to fit MO marked tyres."
I was going to go non MO PS4S, but now I'm not sure. Perhaps the BMW OE tyre is a better bet, but that just seems wrong -?
When the time comes I'll probably go with the BMW spec PS4S on the rear, and Mercedes MO spec PS4S on the front. "f you're not able to match all the markings it's indeed best not to take any markings at all. But in case of Mercedes-AMG vehicles it is strongly recommended to fit MO marked tyres."
I was going to go non MO PS4S, but now I'm not sure. Perhaps the BMW OE tyre is a better bet, but that just seems wrong -?
It's either that or stick with the MO spec pilot super sport, which are ok but definitely not as good as the PS4S.
BMW spec was developed for the M3/M4 so I would imagine that's good enough for the C63.
Niponeoff said:
Facelift premium plus with 19/20 wheels and 285 tyres in the back.
I loved it, HUD, digital display, matrix lights, just the right amount of power. A car I regret selling.
Lovely! I've always thought the estate version looks really good. Didn't realise you could get the 19/20 wheels on the estate? I loved it, HUD, digital display, matrix lights, just the right amount of power. A car I regret selling.
HammyHamster said:
Niponeoff said:
Lovely! I've always thought the estate version looks really good. Didn't realise you could get the 19/20 wheels on the estate? 
HammyHamster said:
Kaze said:
Interstingly I watched this last night, its deomstrates there is a huge different in the compund makeup of the OE tyre, at least in BMW's case. This concerns me re not going with OE spec tyres; I want to upgrade from the MO PSS, but the PS4S are not availble in 285/30R20 in MO spec. I asked Michelin Consumer Care and they said:
"f you're not able to match all the markings it's indeed best not to take any markings at all. But in case of Mercedes-AMG vehicles it is strongly recommended to fit MO marked tyres."
I was going to go non MO PS4S, but now I'm not sure. Perhaps the BMW OE tyre is a better bet, but that just seems wrong -?
When the time comes I'll probably go with the BMW spec PS4S on the rear, and Mercedes MO spec PS4S on the front. "f you're not able to match all the markings it's indeed best not to take any markings at all. But in case of Mercedes-AMG vehicles it is strongly recommended to fit MO marked tyres."
I was going to go non MO PS4S, but now I'm not sure. Perhaps the BMW OE tyre is a better bet, but that just seems wrong -?
It's either that or stick with the MO spec pilot super sport, which are ok but definitely not as good as the PS4S.
BMW spec was developed for the M3/M4 so I would imagine that's good enough for the C63.
Kaze said:
I asked Michelin Consumer Care and they said:
"f you're not able to match all the markings it's indeed best not to take any markings at all. But in case of Mercedes-AMG vehicles it is strongly recommended to fit MO marked tyres."
Michelin said that?"f you're not able to match all the markings it's indeed best not to take any markings at all. But in case of Mercedes-AMG vehicles it is strongly recommended to fit MO marked tyres."
They are wrong, MO are not for AMG vehicles, but in fact there is a special designation known as MO1 which are designed for AMG.
Having said that, if you have a 2016 or 2017 car for example, the MO1 PS4S were not approved then, so were not in fact designed for that car. At the time it may have been Super Sport or whatever. So how much does the MO1 mean?
I also have seen the tyre reviews article and it does go some way to push towards to MO1. But my point above stands, above the generation out at the time. I obtained the official MB spec sheet of approved tyres for my exact car. PS4S are not on there (it is a 2019 car) but there are various MO1 that are, which were out at the time and gone through the approval process.
In the end, I still went for PS4S MO1 as they are clearly the best performance car tyre out there. They may be designed and tested for a later AMG model, but they will still do the job and the MB AMG has not changed much since 2019 to 2021 or whenever they eventually gained the MO1 mark.
On another note, that wagon with the 19/20 setup looks great, more pics please! Are they the exact tyre sizes of the coupe? What exactly did you have to do to make them fit and how is the ride?
honestly, I've had my W204 C63 for close to 10 years now (second owner still only 33k miles!) and just cant bring myself to sell it. My average mpg over the time i've had it is around 15mpg, though living in central london my norm seems to be about 10. Think I'll have it for a while longer...
Porkupine said:
In the end, I still went for PS4S MO1 as they are clearly the best performance car tyre out there. They may be designed and tested for a later AMG model, but they will still do the job and the MB AMG has not changed much since 2019 to 2021 or whenever they eventually gained the MO1 mark.
Yeah the Michelin Customer Care guy was rubbish. I went back and asked him to make a non Super Sport recommendation and he said he couldn’t. Basically he said stick to the same PSS tyres despite them being replaced by PS4S.So have you gone with 295 section rear
tyres as Demented suggested above?
That seems the best option to me, the 285 OE tyres seem rather stretched anyway and there’s little difference in width or rolling radius with the 295s. Mercedes hasn’t made this very easy.
Demented said:
HammyHamster said:
Kaze said:
Interstingly I watched this last night, its deomstrates there is a huge different in the compund makeup of the OE tyre, at least in BMW's case. This concerns me re not going with OE spec tyres; I want to upgrade from the MO PSS, but the PS4S are not availble in 285/30R20 in MO spec. I asked Michelin Consumer Care and they said:
"f you're not able to match all the markings it's indeed best not to take any markings at all. But in case of Mercedes-AMG vehicles it is strongly recommended to fit MO marked tyres."
I was going to go non MO PS4S, but now I'm not sure. Perhaps the BMW OE tyre is a better bet, but that just seems wrong -?
When the time comes I'll probably go with the BMW spec PS4S on the rear, and Mercedes MO spec PS4S on the front. "f you're not able to match all the markings it's indeed best not to take any markings at all. But in case of Mercedes-AMG vehicles it is strongly recommended to fit MO marked tyres."
I was going to go non MO PS4S, but now I'm not sure. Perhaps the BMW OE tyre is a better bet, but that just seems wrong -?
It's either that or stick with the MO spec pilot super sport, which are ok but definitely not as good as the PS4S.
BMW spec was developed for the M3/M4 so I would imagine that's good enough for the C63.
295 PS4 rubbed like aladdin on speed. Ask me how I know.
I'm the same as you hog, have a company van for the day to day so the C63 is saved for weekend / evening fun.
I have the service pack, its reasonable value but will go to my local indy in 2 years when it runs out. By then the car will be 7 years old so manufacturers service history will be less important and they have done a better job than Merc on a few preventative maintenance jobs.
TBH I hadn't noticed the paddles, the Vito I daily has plastic paddles and my my old M135i had metal paddles that felt like the same material as the ones in the C63.
I have the service pack, its reasonable value but will go to my local indy in 2 years when it runs out. By then the car will be 7 years old so manufacturers service history will be less important and they have done a better job than Merc on a few preventative maintenance jobs.
TBH I hadn't noticed the paddles, the Vito I daily has plastic paddles and my my old M135i had metal paddles that felt like the same material as the ones in the C63.
hungry_hog said:
Had mine a year now. Mainly a weekend car.
Any of you people on the service pack?
I am paying 70pcm with Temple Fortune, partly cause it's down the road.
One thing I don't like - the paddles are a weird plastimetal. On the W204 I had before they were lovely solid metal.
I've not added the service pack on mine yet - trying to work out if it's worth it or not. I would prefer to use my local AMG specialist but I think on a new car it's probably worth using main dealer for the first 3 years.Any of you people on the service pack?
I am paying 70pcm with Temple Fortune, partly cause it's down the road.
One thing I don't like - the paddles are a weird plastimetal. On the W204 I had before they were lovely solid metal.
Re. flappy paddles - I think they are metal on the W205 aren't they? They are smooth to the touch, unlike the W204 which had some texture to them.
Kaze said:
Yeah the Michelin Customer Care guy was rubbish. I went back and asked him to make a non Super Sport recommendation and he said he couldn’t. Basically he said stick to the same PSS tyres despite them being replaced by PS4S.
So have you gone with 295 section rear
tyres as Demented suggested above?
That seems the best option to me, the 285 OE tyres seem rather stretched anyway and there’s little difference in width or rolling radius with the 295s. Mercedes hasn’t made this very easy.
I have a wagon and went for the standard factory size. So have you gone with 295 section rear
tyres as Demented suggested above?
That seems the best option to me, the 285 OE tyres seem rather stretched anyway and there’s little difference in width or rolling radius with the 295s. Mercedes hasn’t made this very easy.
It was a challenge to source the tyres even then I must admit, there was not a single stockist that would sell be rears and fronts in the right size, they all seemed to have one or the other for some weird reason. So ended up having to buy and have them fitted separately rear and front. But got there in the end.
Porkupine said:
Kaze said:
Yeah the Michelin Customer Care guy was rubbish. I went back and asked him to make a non Super Sport recommendation and he said he couldn’t. Basically he said stick to the same PSS tyres despite them being replaced by PS4S.
So have you gone with 295 section rear
tyres as Demented suggested above?
That seems the best option to me, the 285 OE tyres seem rather stretched anyway and there’s little difference in width or rolling radius with the 295s. Mercedes hasn’t made this very easy.
I have a wagon and went for the standard factory size. So have you gone with 295 section rear
tyres as Demented suggested above?
That seems the best option to me, the 285 OE tyres seem rather stretched anyway and there’s little difference in width or rolling radius with the 295s. Mercedes hasn’t made this very easy.
It was a challenge to source the tyres even then I must admit, there was not a single stockist that would sell be rears and fronts in the right size, they all seemed to have one or the other for some weird reason. So ended up having to buy and have them fitted separately rear and front. But got there in the end.
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