Alfa Giulia Quadrifoglio lease or PCP deals?
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Apr depends on what you put down I think. Also depends how friendly you can be with your dealer.
A point to bear in mind though........ and this comes from a dealer friend:
If you strip all the profit out of a sale then you can't be expected to provide top end after-sales. The dealers don't have much margin in the QF as it is and dealers won't touch your car post sale unless Alfa authorise / pay for it. I think 4% plus Alfa contribution was what was on offer at best.
It's a fantastic car but I've seen a couple of owners having trouble post purchase because they bought the cheapest deal on offer. Luckily those problems were manufacturer problems so all was covered, but there is a time lag as a result.
A point to bear in mind though........ and this comes from a dealer friend:
If you strip all the profit out of a sale then you can't be expected to provide top end after-sales. The dealers don't have much margin in the QF as it is and dealers won't touch your car post sale unless Alfa authorise / pay for it. I think 4% plus Alfa contribution was what was on offer at best.
It's a fantastic car but I've seen a couple of owners having trouble post purchase because they bought the cheapest deal on offer. Luckily those problems were manufacturer problems so all was covered, but there is a time lag as a result.
ecain63 said:
Apr depends on what you put down I think. Also depends how friendly you can be with your dealer.
A point to bear in mind though........ and this comes from a dealer friend:
If you strip all the profit out of a sale then you can't be expected to provide top end after-sales. The dealers don't have much margin in the QF as it is and dealers won't touch your car post sale unless Alfa authorise / pay for it. I think 4% plus Alfa contribution was what was on offer at best.
It's a fantastic car but I've seen a couple of owners having trouble post purchase because they bought the cheapest deal on offer. Luckily those problems were manufacturer problems so all was covered, but there is a time lag as a result.
Thank for the reply. How do you know they had problems because they bought the cheapest deal on offer? My experience of leasing an M5 with list price of £80k for £650 per month was very good with all problems sorted right away. I do appreciate that Alfa and BMW are very different animals.A point to bear in mind though........ and this comes from a dealer friend:
If you strip all the profit out of a sale then you can't be expected to provide top end after-sales. The dealers don't have much margin in the QF as it is and dealers won't touch your car post sale unless Alfa authorise / pay for it. I think 4% plus Alfa contribution was what was on offer at best.
It's a fantastic car but I've seen a couple of owners having trouble post purchase because they bought the cheapest deal on offer. Luckily those problems were manufacturer problems so all was covered, but there is a time lag as a result.
mjw0321 said:
Thank for the reply. How do you know they had problems because they bought the cheapest deal on offer? My experience of leasing an M5 with list price of £80k for £650 per month was very good with all problems sorted right away. I do appreciate that Alfa and BMW are very different animals.
Because that's what came out of the dealers mouth. If they have no profit in a car then they can't be expected to cover it outside Alfa authorisation. With BMW and Mercedes the cars go out at up to 50% profit. That gives the dealer lots of cash to fund repairs and claim back later on anything that should be covered under warranty.
With the quad the dealer doesn't have that fund to fall back on so can't afford to proceed with work until Alfa authorise it...... unless of course they have enough in the pot from the sale to cover until the warranty claim goes through.
My dealer refuses to sell cars that don't give them a good profit. Customers see them as expensive compared to Carwow and the like but you can't be expected to cover a car with only £500 in the pot after the sale. This is exactly what has been seen. Brokered cars dished out by dealers just to get sales figures. Alfa HQ are hard when it comes to covering quad funding and repair so the dealerships struggle with communication and timescales. Not ideal but fact.
As you said, very different to BMW.
ecain63 said:
Because that's what came out of the dealers mouth. If they have no profit in a car then they can't be expected to cover it outside Alfa authorisation.
With BMW and Mercedes the cars go out at up to 50% profit. That gives the dealer lots of cash to fund repairs and claim back later on anything that should be covered under warranty.
With the quad the dealer doesn't have that fund to fall back on so can't afford to proceed with work until Alfa authorise it...... unless of course they have enough in the pot from the sale to cover until the warranty claim goes through.
My dealer refuses to sell cars that don't give them a good profit. Customers see them as expensive compared to Carwow and the like but you can't be expected to cover a car with only £500 in the pot after the sale. This is exactly what has been seen. Brokered cars dished out by dealers just to get sales figures. Alfa HQ are hard when it comes to covering quad funding and repair so the dealerships struggle with communication and timescales. Not ideal but fact.
As you said, very different to BMW.
I don't know the examples you're speaking of Eddie, but this doesn't bare any relation to my experience. I got a great deal and discount on my QF, yet I've found my dealer bending over backwards and being extremely accommodating with any issues I've had. With BMW and Mercedes the cars go out at up to 50% profit. That gives the dealer lots of cash to fund repairs and claim back later on anything that should be covered under warranty.
With the quad the dealer doesn't have that fund to fall back on so can't afford to proceed with work until Alfa authorise it...... unless of course they have enough in the pot from the sale to cover until the warranty claim goes through.
My dealer refuses to sell cars that don't give them a good profit. Customers see them as expensive compared to Carwow and the like but you can't be expected to cover a car with only £500 in the pot after the sale. This is exactly what has been seen. Brokered cars dished out by dealers just to get sales figures. Alfa HQ are hard when it comes to covering quad funding and repair so the dealerships struggle with communication and timescales. Not ideal but fact.
As you said, very different to BMW.
I bought my car on PCP, with relatively little down and a more than reasonable discount straight from the dealer. Since then my only problem has been the alarm (too sensitive, but adjusted a couple of times and now ok). The dealer has been great, ARUK has been great. I am not aware of any dealer being difficult because they made 'little margin'. This is my first Alfa, so my brand loyalty is low to them as I have mainly been with BMW, Porsche, Audi & Jaguar in the past 10 years - my experience has been that the dealer & ARUK have been at least as good to deal with as the others - no the premises aren't as shiny, but the people are great and they haven't wasted money on bling! ; )
I appreciate the information guys. Are you able to give me any indication of the deals you have managed. And/or the dealers you have had good experiences with?
And another question; I don't suppose you have any idea if it is possible to fit an isofix base and rear facing child seat behind the drivers seat in the driving position of someone around 5'11"?
And another question; I don't suppose you have any idea if it is possible to fit an isofix base and rear facing child seat behind the drivers seat in the driving position of someone around 5'11"?
mjw0321 said:
I appreciate the information guys. Are you able to give me any indication of the deals you have managed. And/or the dealers you have had good experiences with?
And another question; I don't suppose you have any idea if it is possible to fit an isofix base and rear facing child seat behind the drivers seat in the driving position of someone around 5'11"?
Can help with both - got mine from Thames, was offered 0% on 50-50 basis - half up front then nothing to pay for 2 years and then the remaining amount. In the end I did 2 years PCP at 0.9% and then balloon. 3 years was 2% and 4 years was 3.6% (or similar nos)And another question; I don't suppose you have any idea if it is possible to fit an isofix base and rear facing child seat behind the drivers seat in the driving position of someone around 5'11"?
As for Isofix, yes no issues at all. It's incredibly roomy; far more room for wife in front and daughter behind than in our X3
I paid full price for mine in January. At the time I didn't have much choice as CarWow weren't selling the car but Eddie's point also affected my decision. It's a brand new platform, it's bound to have issues, so I wanted a dealer that was bought in and making no money from me was unlikely to achieve that. The dealer has been fantastic (Palmers in Hemel Hempstead) and the car has been flawless so I needn't have worried. With a more established car I would (and have) gone down the CarWow or similar route.
I went throught Meridien Milano in Portsmouth. They actually pre-ordered 2 cars, blue and red, so I got to see 'my car (red)' before it was PDI'd, test drove it & bought it there and then! I also managed to get a very reasonable interest rate, low deposit (£3,000) and a discount! Well worth giving them a ring...
Nero77 said:
mjw0321 said:
I appreciate the information guys. Are you able to give me any indication of the deals you have managed. And/or the dealers you have had good experiences with?
And another question; I don't suppose you have any idea if it is possible to fit an isofix base and rear facing child seat behind the drivers seat in the driving position of someone around 5'11"?
Can help with both - got mine from Thames, was offered 0% on 50-50 basis - half up front then nothing to pay for 2 years and then the remaining amount. In the end I did 2 years PCP at 0.9% and then balloon. 3 years was 2% and 4 years was 3.6% (or similar nos)And another question; I don't suppose you have any idea if it is possible to fit an isofix base and rear facing child seat behind the drivers seat in the driving position of someone around 5'11"?
As for Isofix, yes no issues at all. It's incredibly roomy; far more room for wife in front and daughter behind than in our X3
Get the electric seats and you could probably get nearer to your ideal seat position as there aren't any notches.
And yes, it's an awesome car.
Here's a question, how would a service department even know what you paid for a car? They're not going to ask the sales dept every time a car comes in just to see if it was bought cheap. And that's ignoring the fact that you may have actually bought the car from a different dealer. What you pay is totally irrelevant.
And yes, it's an awesome car.
Here's a question, how would a service department even know what you paid for a car? They're not going to ask the sales dept every time a car comes in just to see if it was bought cheap. And that's ignoring the fact that you may have actually bought the car from a different dealer. What you pay is totally irrelevant.
Nero77 said:
mjw0321 said:
I appreciate the information guys. Are you able to give me any indication of the deals you have managed. And/or the dealers you have had good experiences with?
And another question; I don't suppose you have any idea if it is possible to fit an isofix base and rear facing child seat behind the drivers seat in the driving position of someone around 5'11"?
Can help with both - got mine from Thames, was offered 0% on 50-50 basis - half up front then nothing to pay for 2 years and then the remaining amount. In the end I did 2 years PCP at 0.9% and then balloon. 3 years was 2% and 4 years was 3.6% (or similar nos)And another question; I don't suppose you have any idea if it is possible to fit an isofix base and rear facing child seat behind the drivers seat in the driving position of someone around 5'11"?
As for Isofix, yes no issues at all. It's incredibly roomy; far more room for wife in front and daughter behind than in our X3
Basically, i want to know if i could get a £65kish spec with around £5k down for around £700 per month....
Edited by mjw0321 on Saturday 30th September 21:26
I priced one with Arnold Clark in Paisley back in January this year and with my spec it was coming to £68k.
I was going to put in a £10k deposit and doing 6k miles a year in it. The guaranteed future value they were offering was £24k and they wanted a monthly payment of between £7-800 a month.
I decided I'd wait for a bit and see what the residuals were looking like before I took the plunge. I also didn't get on with Arnold Clark as they wanted me to buy the car from them before they'd even let me test drive it!!
David.
I was going to put in a £10k deposit and doing 6k miles a year in it. The guaranteed future value they were offering was £24k and they wanted a monthly payment of between £7-800 a month.
I decided I'd wait for a bit and see what the residuals were looking like before I took the plunge. I also didn't get on with Arnold Clark as they wanted me to buy the car from them before they'd even let me test drive it!!
David.
smarty156 said:
Get the electric seats and you could probably get nearer to your ideal seat position as there aren't any notches.
And yes, it's an awesome car.
Here's a question, how would a service department even know what you paid for a car? They're not going to ask the sales dept every time a car comes in just to see if it was bought cheap. And that's ignoring the fact that you may have actually bought the car from a different dealer. What you pay is totally irrelevant.
It's not the dealer that's the problem, it's Alfa. How often do we hear on FB and AROC that the dealer won't do any work or order bits until Alfa give the go ahead? If the car came from the dealer being used then they'd have a record of the customer transaction. I'm pretty sure they would be more than happy to sort any problems in good time, so long as they could recover outlay from Alfa. An unknown car might not be such a favourable job and they would potentially be spending money they don't have. This is the point I'm making about the current trend for buying cars from brokers. And yes, it's an awesome car.
Here's a question, how would a service department even know what you paid for a car? They're not going to ask the sales dept every time a car comes in just to see if it was bought cheap. And that's ignoring the fact that you may have actually bought the car from a different dealer. What you pay is totally irrelevant.
I'd be the same in my business. If I make something for a customer or sell them a product from my stock then I don't quibble if there are any after sales niggles.
If a customer comes to me with an item bought from a competitor that needs work doing / servicing then I make sure the job is paid for or covered before proceeding. If I don't then the risk is that I do the job and for whatever reason the customer has not had the insurance claim or warranty claim approved. Then who pays?
The quad that needed a new gearbox was out of action for 3 months. Quite a lot of that time period was spent waiting for Alfa to decide whether the funding for that job was coming from ZF or Alfa. The dealer can't just go ahead and expect payment like you'd get with BMW / Merc / Audi.
Edited by ecain63 on Sunday 1st October 11:04
To clarify, I'm not saying that by buying a car from a broker or in getting a huge discount (unlikely anyway) that you'll be guaranteed to suffer bad service. I'm just saying that repair work processes are not as simple with the Quad as it would be with an AMG or //M should you have a bigger problem with your car.
I have to say that having picked up my new QF from a local dealer only last monday from whom I experienced behaviour that shocked me to the core the last couple of posts have cast another shadow over what I am still hoping, maybe foolishly, will be the long and contented enjoyment of the most expensive and magnificent car I have ever owned .
It is shocking to consider that Alfa Romeo, FCA UK or whoever they may be addressed as should take the view that the owner waits for them to sort out who pays for a dicky gearbox, themselves or their supplier, rather than effect an immediate repair or replacement appropriate to their warranties.
I am pleased with the heads up and only hope that some pretty tough, heavy handed action from the get go from any of us who may be in such a position in the future will prevent any further such shocking experiences.
Don.
It is shocking to consider that Alfa Romeo, FCA UK or whoever they may be addressed as should take the view that the owner waits for them to sort out who pays for a dicky gearbox, themselves or their supplier, rather than effect an immediate repair or replacement appropriate to their warranties.
I am pleased with the heads up and only hope that some pretty tough, heavy handed action from the get go from any of us who may be in such a position in the future will prevent any further such shocking experiences.
Don.
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