105 engine specialists
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fergus said:
200Plus Club said:
cheers for that, have struggled to even talk to people about options tbh. i did start a conversation with Guy Croft but it wasnt encouraging as such, in relation to building a 2 litre, he was sort of saying just stick with the 1600 cc in it and work with what you've got. surely someone somewhere can knock up a solid 2 litre nord which can make 160bhp without going pop lol
Can you not have a go yourself? Some tidying up of the head, motronic pistons, and some decent cams will get you 99% of the way there, (on the std valves).i think one of the issues Guy was saying is that so many of the 2 litre blocks he sees come in are already wrecked/worn beyond any sensible work being done.
I'm ok for assembling bits n bobs but wouldnt want to take on an engine build myself, ive no knowledge of the nord other than what i've read so far, Guy Crofts forum is very interesting reading some of the pitfalls! :-)
200Plus Club said:
ive got nothing to start on tbh, this is a project in mind, i was hoping to source and have built a 2 litre block as a swap ready to go in.
i think one of the issues Guy was saying is that so many of the 2 litre blocks he sees come in are already wrecked/worn beyond any sensible work being done.
I'm ok for assembling bits n bobs but wouldnt want to take on an engine build myself, ive no knowledge of the nord other than what i've read so far, Guy Crofts forum is very interesting reading some of the pitfalls! :-)
I bought an old 2 litre Nord engine to transpose with my 1300, and disassembled it, cleaned, and checked all tolerances, fitted new bearings, etc, etc. so far all good. Just take your time and be methodical. At the end of the day, this is a circa 50 year old engine, so not too tricky to work on.i think one of the issues Guy was saying is that so many of the 2 litre blocks he sees come in are already wrecked/worn beyond any sensible work being done.
I'm ok for assembling bits n bobs but wouldnt want to take on an engine build myself, ive no knowledge of the nord other than what i've read so far, Guy Crofts forum is very interesting reading some of the pitfalls! :-)
200Plus Club said:
Is it worth joining the Alfa club to get access to their forum perhaps? Where do blocks or engines come up if not on eBay etc?
Nope to AROC.Alfabb.com is your best source of decent technical info. There’s a section just for the engines
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/engine-repair-diag...
If your struggling for engine builders, speak to Brian at https://www.banderandall.co.uk
He does as much or as little as you want, also equipped with engine Dyno. Just don’t tell him your not in a rush. He mainly works on race engines and does a fair bit on Alfa Nord and Busso engines.
As I said before, by Jim Ks book, tells you all you need to get your magic number.
Engines sometimes come up on Ebay - but not very often. Last one I saw was about 10 months ago - but it was a runner complete with gearbox.
If you're after an engine, either buy a complete car that's a total basket case. Or contact one of the people that regularly breaks 105s.
The two that I'm most familiar with are "Vintagealfa" - who operates from a field near Bedford - he has an ebay shop, or Velocesport who are up in Lincolnshire somewhere. I'm sure there are others.
If you're after an engine, either buy a complete car that's a total basket case. Or contact one of the people that regularly breaks 105s.
The two that I'm most familiar with are "Vintagealfa" - who operates from a field near Bedford - he has an ebay shop, or Velocesport who are up in Lincolnshire somewhere. I'm sure there are others.
omniflow said:
Engines sometimes come up on Ebay - but not very often. Last one I saw was about 10 months ago - but it was a runner complete with gearbox.
If you're after an engine, either buy a complete car that's a total basket case. Or contact one of the people that regularly breaks 105s.
The two that I'm most familiar with are "Vintagealfa" - who operates from a field near Bedford - he has an ebay shop, or Velocesport who are up in Lincolnshire somewhere. I'm sure there are others.
Classic Alfa also normally have a selection of engines in stockIf you're after an engine, either buy a complete car that's a total basket case. Or contact one of the people that regularly breaks 105s.
The two that I'm most familiar with are "Vintagealfa" - who operates from a field near Bedford - he has an ebay shop, or Velocesport who are up in Lincolnshire somewhere. I'm sure there are others.
There’s an 2.0 engine for sale here for £400 which is cheap
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/the-classic-alfa-ro...
It’s an S4 so Run’s Bosch injection, but during a strip down and rebuild you can get rid of all the injection restricted stuff. Most of the rest is the same as the 10-20 year older 2000cc engine.
http://www.alfaowner.com/Forum/the-classic-alfa-ro...
It’s an S4 so Run’s Bosch injection, but during a strip down and rebuild you can get rid of all the injection restricted stuff. Most of the rest is the same as the 10-20 year older 2000cc engine.
jamieandthemagic said:
200Plus Club said:
Is it worth joining the Alfa club to get access to their forum perhaps? Where do blocks or engines come up if not on eBay etc?
Nope to AROC.Alfabb.com is your best source of decent technical info. There’s a section just for the engines
http://www.alfabb.com/bb/forums/engine-repair-diag...
If your struggling for engine builders, speak to Brian at https://www.banderandall.co.uk
He does as much or as little as you want, also equipped with engine Dyno. Just don’t tell him your not in a rush. He mainly works on race engines and does a fair bit on Alfa Nord and Busso engines.
As I said before, by Jim Ks book, tells you all you need to get your magic number.
There was a guy in Huddersfield who did a really good job of rebuilding Rick Clough’s 1750 Engine. I think it was Mick Guest, used to build Rally Engines donkeys years ago and may well be out of the game now.
I think in 𝚈𝚘𝚞𝚛 situation Chris, buying an Engine to play with might be an interesting idea. Yo7 can always flog it again if it doesn’t work out for you.
jamieandthemagic said:
Neither vintage Alfa nor classic Alfa are engine specialists.
Vintage Alfa, I bought my giulia from, he’s a parts supplier and restorer (based in heckington)
Classic Alfa are parts suppliers.
He needs an engine builder.... sure might use these guys for parts, but not as builders.
Agreed. I was suggesting a potential source for a second hand engine, of which Classic Alfa have a selection Vintage Alfa, I bought my giulia from, he’s a parts supplier and restorer (based in heckington)
Classic Alfa are parts suppliers.
He needs an engine builder.... sure might use these guys for parts, but not as builders.
jamieandthemagic said:
Neither vintage Alfa nor classic Alfa are engine specialists.
Vintage Alfa, I bought my giulia from, he’s a parts supplier and restorer (based in heckington)
Classic Alfa are parts suppliers.
He needs an engine builder.... sure might use these guys for parts, but not as builders.
Velocesport are based in Heckington. Vintage Alfa are based somewhere near Bedford.Vintage Alfa, I bought my giulia from, he’s a parts supplier and restorer (based in heckington)
Classic Alfa are parts suppliers.
He needs an engine builder.... sure might use these guys for parts, but not as builders.
I was responding to the OPs request for suggestions as to where he might acquire a base engine, as that is the direction that the thread had moved in.
200Plus Club said:
James B said:
200Plus Club said:
I need a car first, this is just the ideas stage :-)
Road car driveability wise what can you expect safely on a 2litre nord 8v without it being hard work to drive ? Been reading the articles on guy chamberlain forum as and when I Can, not as easy or cheap to tune as the modern 16v stuff like Zetec etc.
The Nord in my race/road 105 is about 180ish bhp and perfectly driveable on the road and still competitive on the track. I understand that going much beyond this, power-wise, is an expensive process.Road car driveability wise what can you expect safely on a 2litre nord 8v without it being hard work to drive ? Been reading the articles on guy chamberlain forum as and when I Can, not as easy or cheap to tune as the modern 16v stuff like Zetec etc.
Does the stock propshaft diff etc stand upto it ok? 180bhp sounds perfect if the cost is manageable. Love to hear more on what was done and who by if poss.
I am still on carbs; twin 45 Dellortos to be precise.
Dizzy is standard as my series won't allow the fancy 123 type.
I'm running an Alfaholics prop and rear diff and the car came with a modified rear diff with LSD when i got it so i can't really say what it was capable of previously.
Full spec of my car is on my build thread here;
Alfa Romeo GT Junior racer
arguti said:
If your budget is unlimited you could try Guy Croft - total perfectionist and knows these engines well.
well tbh i did start a conversation with him, which ended quickly. he basically said dont bother trying with a 2 litre they are all knackerred, and stick with the 1600. i then asked what could be done and for how much, and got no reply. James B said:
Hi I'm really sorry for being so late in responding. I had completely missed your reply.
I am still on carbs; twin 45 Dellortos to be precise.
Dizzy is standard as my series won't allow the fancy 123 type.
I'm running an Alfaholics prop and rear diff and the car came with a modified rear diff with LSD when i got it so i can't really say what it was capable of previously.
Full spec of my car is on my build thread here;
Alfa Romeo GT Junior racer
cheers james i will have a look later! I am still on carbs; twin 45 Dellortos to be precise.
Dizzy is standard as my series won't allow the fancy 123 type.
I'm running an Alfaholics prop and rear diff and the car came with a modified rear diff with LSD when i got it so i can't really say what it was capable of previously.
Full spec of my car is on my build thread here;
Alfa Romeo GT Junior racer
Just stumbled across this thread.
I've got pretty much every flavour of the Nord motor - 1300 & 1600 Giulias, 1600 Junior, 1750 GTV, 2000 Berlina and 2000 Spider.
I'm not an engine specialist (strictly an amateur spannerer) but I think I can understand why an engine builder would recommend a 1600. I enjoy driving the 1300 & 1600's the most - the engine is much freer-revving than the 1750/2000. To me the bigger engines seem ideal for cruising - loads of torque - they all go very well - but the smaller engines are more involving on a spirited run.
My 1600 Giulia and 1600 Junior both have the Alfaholics fast road kit and are the cars I drive the most. The 1300 is also enjoyable - not least because I have to work hard to keep up with the pack on an enthusiastic drive. The engine is a bit under-powered, but if you can carry the speed without too much braking, it's great fun.
The 1750 GTV and 2 litre Spider are great cruisers (the 1750 also has the Alfaholics kit), but just a bit too easy to drive in our classic car group outings (obviously they're not supercars).
The 2000 Berlina is a recent acquisition (fully caged with FIA papers) with a historic racing pedigree. I haven't really had it long enough to comment on performance, but the fact that it is completely stripped out - no soundproofing, rear seats etc. - makes for a pretty brutal experience.
ETA a gratuitous pic of some of the cars mentioned, together with some slightly more modern Alfas (also mine) .......
I've got pretty much every flavour of the Nord motor - 1300 & 1600 Giulias, 1600 Junior, 1750 GTV, 2000 Berlina and 2000 Spider.
I'm not an engine specialist (strictly an amateur spannerer) but I think I can understand why an engine builder would recommend a 1600. I enjoy driving the 1300 & 1600's the most - the engine is much freer-revving than the 1750/2000. To me the bigger engines seem ideal for cruising - loads of torque - they all go very well - but the smaller engines are more involving on a spirited run.
My 1600 Giulia and 1600 Junior both have the Alfaholics fast road kit and are the cars I drive the most. The 1300 is also enjoyable - not least because I have to work hard to keep up with the pack on an enthusiastic drive. The engine is a bit under-powered, but if you can carry the speed without too much braking, it's great fun.
The 1750 GTV and 2 litre Spider are great cruisers (the 1750 also has the Alfaholics kit), but just a bit too easy to drive in our classic car group outings (obviously they're not supercars).
The 2000 Berlina is a recent acquisition (fully caged with FIA papers) with a historic racing pedigree. I haven't really had it long enough to comment on performance, but the fact that it is completely stripped out - no soundproofing, rear seats etc. - makes for a pretty brutal experience.
ETA a gratuitous pic of some of the cars mentioned, together with some slightly more modern Alfas (also mine) .......
Edited by sunbeam alpine on Tuesday 13th February 21:25
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