HELP STRATOS KIT

[JIZZSTER]

THINKING OF BUILDING A HAWK STRATOS KIT WITH ALFA V6 ENGINE
WHERE CAN I SOURSE A ENGINE? REPUTABLE DEALERS
ANY GOOD MODS?
OTHER ALTERNATIVE ENGINES?
OTHER KITS?
ANY OWNERS WHO CAN HELP ETC ETC


AMNY THANKS

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[silverback mike]

Not sure about mods, but I reckon your best bet is to buy a 164 and take the engine out. They are plentiful and extremely cheap.

PS......STOP SHOUTING.

Nice merc by the way, where are you old billing?

>> Edited by silverback mike on Saturday 25th June 20:45

[JIZZSTER]

thanks re merc comments got index E320 CAB on it now just gotback from Le mans
can alfa engine be tuned alot???
whats best 164 for performance ??

for my sins cop in essex , grays dont worry not traffic


steve

[silverback mike]

Avon and Somerset here....

As far as I am aware, the V'6'S Don't need much tuning, but as with anything there are always possibilities.

The best 164 is the 3.0 cloverleaf, a very underrated car.

All the best, Mike.

>> Edited by silverback mike on Saturday 25th June 22:24

[pwig]

Blow the bank and get a new 3.7 V6 from autodelta

[lanciachris]

The only real choice you have to make in terms of engines is the 12v or the 24v. And thats not exactly difficult

Personally I think the stratos is best admired from afar.

[Avocet]

There's nearly always a few people breaking 164s on Ebay.

Not long ago someone was selling a 12-valve Cloverleaf engine & box complete - would have been ideal for you!

Tuning parts are available but its very expensive to get even moderate power increases out of them. To be honest, a Hawk doesn't weigh much - it should be plenty quick enough with the standard 200 horses and they sound gorgeous!

Check with Gerry Hawkridge whether or not the 24v will fit in the Transformer - it might be a bit tight. Also, 12v (IMO) sounds nicer and seems to pull a bit better from low down - also pretty near indestructible!

[JIZZSTER]

hi all thnaks for all the advice if i do this think prob best get one in a car say a 164 and will know works well and can get turned in the vehicle(good idea?)
so is a 164 super same as cloverleaf? any diff in engines ? see a guy selling a gtv engine on ebay 899 at moment is that cheap are they diff from 164 lump etc etc
anyone have any idea of performance stats of a stratos kit??? 0-60 top end etc want something quick thats the main idea.

[Avocet]

Don't think so. It think "Super" referred to trim options rather than performance on the 164. The pre-catalyst 12 valvers seem to be about 190 bhp and the 12v Cloverleaf cars seem to be about 220 - wouldn't swear to this but about that sort of number. The 24 valve units were about 210 and the 24-valve Cloverleaf engines I'm not sure about - certainly not as much more as you'd think - 230 again, maybe. Also, the later engines don't "feel" quite as quick because they get their extra power by revving higher. The 12 valve units redline at 6000 (surprisingly low for an Italian V6!) I'm told, however, that the 24 valve cars were just slightly lower-geared than the 12 valve cars so the acceleration figures looked more impressive than the difference between the engines suggests - bit of a cheat really but if its acceleration you're lookig for, it might be worth bearing in mind!

Seriously, talk to Gerry Hawkridge at Hawk cars. He's a really nice guy and will know plenty of people who have built them so he'll be able to give you a much better idea of final performance.

[rustybin]

There are a few minor differences between the Super and Cloverleaf in terms of trim, exhaust, gearbox but they are pretty minor. The only difference that affects power output is the big chrome pipes between the plenum and the inlet manifold. They are wider on the cloverleaf to aid breathing. Even the ECU's are identical. The general concensus is that in the real world the 12v and 24v aren't hugely different in terms of performance. The 24v's has more power higher up and the 12v has better low end torque. The application of either is limited in the 164 by the fact that it is FWD.

Incidentally I have a '94 24V Cloverleaf for sale if you are interested. Mechanically good but in need of cosmetics. Could be ideal for you if you are more concerned about greasy bits than shiny bits. Mail me through my profile if you are interested.

[avocet]

That's odd! I once enquired on another forum about the differnces because I was thinking of making my 12V go a bit faster by upping it to Cloverleaf spec and the answer I got was that the:

Cams
Compression ratio
Pistons
Airflow meter
induction tubes and
ECU chip

were all different

...so I went off the idea!