Quadrifoglio woes; it's too much.
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RonnieHotdogs said:
Once you drive a QV, you'll be sold.
The Veloce is a wonderful car - light, agile, balanced, fun, but the QV is in another league.
Once you've put your foot down and experienced the insane in-gear acceleration and noise there'll only be one place you'll be putting your money
I don't really doubt that. However I just wonder how often you get to enjoy those extra horsesThe Veloce is a wonderful car - light, agile, balanced, fun, but the QV is in another league.
Once you've put your foot down and experienced the insane in-gear acceleration and noise there'll only be one place you'll be putting your money
Still waiting for it to be delivered - should be early Nov. Once it's here I'll take some shots.
Thought long & hard about another QV but realised I'm in a position where I could have a pretty decent daily driver (the Veloce) and a plaything in the garage OR a QV as the daily driver and no toy. With some back of a fag packet man maths (I don't even smoke - I had to buy a pack especially) I think the former is doable. The SZ has been consistently high on my dream car list since I was about 16. I don't care how it drives, the looks alone do it for me.
Thought long & hard about another QV but realised I'm in a position where I could have a pretty decent daily driver (the Veloce) and a plaything in the garage OR a QV as the daily driver and no toy. With some back of a fag packet man maths (I don't even smoke - I had to buy a pack especially) I think the former is doable. The SZ has been consistently high on my dream car list since I was about 16. I don't care how it drives, the looks alone do it for me.
Enjoyed reading everyone’s comments on this thread with great contributions.
I’ve recently sold my 997 C2S and looking for something a bit more practical/comfortable to replace it with. On paper the QV ticks a lot of boxes so took one for a test drive yesterday.
In short, I was very impressed. It made my Porsche feel like a relic. What really impressed me even more than the engine was the ride quality and steering. Having got used to German stuff that typically tries to bludgeon its way through British roads the QV was a revelation. Reminded me of a 306xsi I had as a company car back in the 90s. No overly stiff suspension crashing through bumps instead supple suspension doing all the work.
Having said all that I still have the same nagging doubt raised by the OP - is it way too fast?
The on paper stats aren’t that much different to the Porsche but at least in that car you knew were going silly fast. In the QV is was so effortless. One quick prod of your right root and into license loosing territory with no drama.
Nice dilemma to have but a dilemma nonetheless.
I’ve recently sold my 997 C2S and looking for something a bit more practical/comfortable to replace it with. On paper the QV ticks a lot of boxes so took one for a test drive yesterday.
In short, I was very impressed. It made my Porsche feel like a relic. What really impressed me even more than the engine was the ride quality and steering. Having got used to German stuff that typically tries to bludgeon its way through British roads the QV was a revelation. Reminded me of a 306xsi I had as a company car back in the 90s. No overly stiff suspension crashing through bumps instead supple suspension doing all the work.
Having said all that I still have the same nagging doubt raised by the OP - is it way too fast?
The on paper stats aren’t that much different to the Porsche but at least in that car you knew were going silly fast. In the QV is was so effortless. One quick prod of your right root and into license loosing territory with no drama.
Nice dilemma to have but a dilemma nonetheless.
ballans said:
Enjoyed reading everyone’s comments on this thread with great contributions.
I’ve recently sold my 997 C2S and looking for something a bit more practical/comfortable to replace it with. On paper the QV ticks a lot of boxes so took one for a test drive yesterday.
In short, I was very impressed. It made my Porsche feel like a relic. What really impressed me even more than the engine was the ride quality and steering. Having got used to German stuff that typically tries to bludgeon its way through British roads the QV was a revelation. Reminded me of a 306xsi I had as a company car back in the 90s. No overly stiff suspension crashing through bumps instead supple suspension doing all the work.
Having said all that I still have the same nagging doubt raised by the OP - is it way too fast?
The on paper stats aren’t that much different to the Porsche but at least in that car you knew were going silly fast. In the QV is was so effortless. One quick prod of your right root and into license loosing territory with no drama.
Nice dilemma to have but a dilemma nonetheless.
I've just priced on up and it's new 911 money and not far off M5 money and it makes me wonder whether the sweet spot is a nice veloce which has enough, won't lose your license and leaves you paying closer to half the money. I’ve recently sold my 997 C2S and looking for something a bit more practical/comfortable to replace it with. On paper the QV ticks a lot of boxes so took one for a test drive yesterday.
In short, I was very impressed. It made my Porsche feel like a relic. What really impressed me even more than the engine was the ride quality and steering. Having got used to German stuff that typically tries to bludgeon its way through British roads the QV was a revelation. Reminded me of a 306xsi I had as a company car back in the 90s. No overly stiff suspension crashing through bumps instead supple suspension doing all the work.
Having said all that I still have the same nagging doubt raised by the OP - is it way too fast?
The on paper stats aren’t that much different to the Porsche but at least in that car you knew were going silly fast. In the QV is was so effortless. One quick prod of your right root and into license loosing territory with no drama.
Nice dilemma to have but a dilemma nonetheless.
As above, have enjoyed the thread which has helped with my own decision to place a deposit on a new QV.
However, I don't think the pricing is near 911 levels. A boggo 911 is 85k and you'll not get a discount (or a car for a while) whereas you could get a new QV for 25k less than that?
It was one of the reasons that helped sway me, especially given Evo's favourable review of the QV vs the 911 and new M3 a few months ago.
Cheers,
Rob
However, I don't think the pricing is near 911 levels. A boggo 911 is 85k and you'll not get a discount (or a car for a while) whereas you could get a new QV for 25k less than that?
It was one of the reasons that helped sway me, especially given Evo's favourable review of the QV vs the 911 and new M3 a few months ago.
Cheers,
Rob
Rob_F said:
As above, have enjoyed the thread which has helped with my own decision to place a deposit on a new QV.
However, I don't think the pricing is near 911 levels. A boggo 911 is 85k and you'll not get a discount (or a car for a while) whereas you could get a new QV for 25k less than that?
It was one of the reasons that helped sway me, especially given Evo's favourable review of the QV vs the 911 and new M3 a few months ago.
Cheers,
Rob
Sorry on pcpHowever, I don't think the pricing is near 911 levels. A boggo 911 is 85k and you'll not get a discount (or a car for a while) whereas you could get a new QV for 25k less than that?
It was one of the reasons that helped sway me, especially given Evo's favourable review of the QV vs the 911 and new M3 a few months ago.
Cheers,
Rob
So was looking at both cars with about ten k of options.
The £95k Porsche is worth £52k ish at end of four years while the £78k Alfa is worth £28k at the end of four years.
Deal I was offered on the Alfa was £10k down and £970 pcm
Porsche is there or there abouts.
Just to throw my 2p in, it is definitely way too fast for UK roads ....
But that's why it's so brilliant.
As you'll see from this thread, I had one, sold it, regretted it, bought another a year later and loving it.
I'm embracing the unnecessary nature of the performance, and loving just bumbling around in it. It does everything you'd want a car to do, including moving four people and some baggage around in comfort.
Had a fair few positive comments from strangers already, and comments from passengers about how quiet and comfy it is.
As others have said, a modestly spec'd car new from the right dealer is more like early £60ks than 911 money.
And the Veloce is a great car, don't get me wrong, I've owned one ... But it's no Quadrifoglio. Lovely to drive but lacks that special feeling.
The platform is being abandoned and it's doubtful we'll see another Alfa like this for a long time, so embrace it
But that's why it's so brilliant.
As you'll see from this thread, I had one, sold it, regretted it, bought another a year later and loving it.
I'm embracing the unnecessary nature of the performance, and loving just bumbling around in it. It does everything you'd want a car to do, including moving four people and some baggage around in comfort.
Had a fair few positive comments from strangers already, and comments from passengers about how quiet and comfy it is.
As others have said, a modestly spec'd car new from the right dealer is more like early £60ks than 911 money.
And the Veloce is a great car, don't get me wrong, I've owned one ... But it's no Quadrifoglio. Lovely to drive but lacks that special feeling.
The platform is being abandoned and it's doubtful we'll see another Alfa like this for a long time, so embrace it
ballans said:
Enjoyed reading everyone’s comments on this thread with great contributions.
I’ve recently sold my 997 C2S and looking for something a bit more practical/comfortable to replace it with. On paper the QV ticks a lot of boxes so took one for a test drive yesterday.
In short, I was very impressed. It made my Porsche feel like a relic. What really impressed me even more than the engine was the ride quality and steering. Having got used to German stuff that typically tries to bludgeon its way through British roads the QV was a revelation. Reminded me of a 306xsi I had as a company car back in the 90s. No overly stiff suspension crashing through bumps instead supple suspension doing all the work.
Having said all that I still have the same nagging doubt raised by the OP - is it way too fast?
The on paper stats aren’t that much different to the Porsche but at least in that car you knew were going silly fast. In the QV is was so effortless. One quick prod of your right root and into license loosing territory with no drama.
Nice dilemma to have but a dilemma nonetheless.
I sold my 997.2 C2 and replaced it with a QV and would agree absolutely with your observations on the differences, the ride is a revelation if you've been used to German performance machines.I’ve recently sold my 997 C2S and looking for something a bit more practical/comfortable to replace it with. On paper the QV ticks a lot of boxes so took one for a test drive yesterday.
In short, I was very impressed. It made my Porsche feel like a relic. What really impressed me even more than the engine was the ride quality and steering. Having got used to German stuff that typically tries to bludgeon its way through British roads the QV was a revelation. Reminded me of a 306xsi I had as a company car back in the 90s. No overly stiff suspension crashing through bumps instead supple suspension doing all the work.
Having said all that I still have the same nagging doubt raised by the OP - is it way too fast?
The on paper stats aren’t that much different to the Porsche but at least in that car you knew were going silly fast. In the QV is was so effortless. One quick prod of your right root and into license loosing territory with no drama.
Nice dilemma to have but a dilemma nonetheless.
Whether its too fast for the road depends on your personal driving style and level of restraint. If you floor it everywhere then yes, its too fast but then so is anything else with 250+ bhp / tonne. I've enjoyed the performance sparingly in mine, but that makes it all the more pleasurable when you open it up.
a_dreamer said:
Sorry on pcp. So was looking at both cars with about ten k of options.
The £95k Porsche is worth £52k ish at end of four years while the £78k Alfa is worth £28k at the end of four years.
Deal I was offered on the Alfa was £10k down and £970 pcm
Porsche is there or thereabouts.
Four year old QFs are retailing at about £15K more than that. Are dealers really marking the cars up by that much?The £95k Porsche is worth £52k ish at end of four years while the £78k Alfa is worth £28k at the end of four years.
Deal I was offered on the Alfa was £10k down and £970 pcm
Porsche is there or thereabouts.
TA14 said:
Four year old QFs are retailing at about £15K more than that. Are dealers really marking the cars up by that much?
The retained value has always been set really low by Alfa in comparison to the actual value. They've only just been amended (the last two months) by about £2k upwards.I've been told by a few dealers that Quadrifoglio owners are the easiest to sell new cars to as they usually have significant equity in their car at the end of the PCP term.
My agreement states it'll be worth £26k after 4 years and 48k miles, yet I rarely see even early cars (66 plate) much below £40k.
RonnieHotdogs said:
I'd be going to Beechdale for a quote if I were you, try and get on the affinity scheme.
You're obviously also adding a whole load of extras on there, I'd look at whether they're really worth it as they're obviously not adding anything to the GFMV.
The soonish scheme with them knocked the price down £20 pcm as they have a £5k deposit contribution but the price went up £2k to list. You're obviously also adding a whole load of extras on there, I'd look at whether they're really worth it as they're obviously not adding anything to the GFMV.
Yeah it has the exhaust, alloys, green paint, carbon v, Harmon kardon and a few other things. Was a car for December delivery
RonnieHotdogs said:
I'd be going to Beechdale for a quote if I were you, try and get on the affinity scheme.
You're obviously also adding a whole load of extras on there, I'd look at whether they're really worth it as they're obviously not adding anything to the GFMV.
The affinity scheme with them knocked the price down £20 pcm as they have a £5k deposit contribution but the price went up £2k to list. You're obviously also adding a whole load of extras on there, I'd look at whether they're really worth it as they're obviously not adding anything to the GFMV.
Yeah it has the exhaust, alloys, green paint, carbon v, Harmon kardon and a few other things. Was a car for December delivery
RonnieHotdogs said:
TA14 said:
Four year old QFs are retailing at about £15K more than that. Are dealers really marking the cars up by that much?
The retained value has always been set really low by Alfa in comparison to the actual value. They've only just been amended (the last two months) by about £2k upwards.I've been told by a few dealers that Quadrifoglio owners are the easiest to sell new cars to as they usually have significant equity in their car at the end of the PCP term.
My agreement states it'll be worth £26k after 4 years and 48k miles, yet I rarely see even early cars (66 plate) much below £40k.
Market is a bit bonkers at the moment so tempted to hold out until next year. Although, I suspect the situation may get worse.
After selling the Porsche I have cash in the bank so will buy an early second hand one. Been watching the prices and £40k ish should get a half decent one. A few miles will hopefully have ironed out most of the niggles.
I did consider a Veloce but would always be worried I short changed myself.
After selling the Porsche I have cash in the bank so will buy an early second hand one. Been watching the prices and £40k ish should get a half decent one. A few miles will hopefully have ironed out most of the niggles.
I did consider a Veloce but would always be worried I short changed myself.
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